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Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby DrunkenDeath » Sep 9th, '09, 01:13

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Obama's speech to Congress Wednesday on health care reform will probably be one of the high-noon moments of his presidency.

Surrounded by liberals demanding a government-run public option and centrist Democrats -- along with Republicans -- who want to dump the option, Obama just might have his finger on something that can get him through this health care showdown: the "trigger" option.

The idea would give insurance companies a defined period to make changes in order to help cover more people and drive down long-term costs. If those changes failed to occur within the defined period, a trigger would provide for a public option to force change on the insurance companies.

A public option is a government-funded, government-run health care option, similar to Medicare. Under the plan, people would pay premiums 10 to 20 percent less than private insurance.

But the question remains about whether Obama will side with liberals in making a strong play for the public option. Though he has voiced his support, he has signaled over the past months that it's not the only option that could work.

"I continue to believe that a public option within that basket of insurance choices would help improve quality and bring down costs," Obama said Monday.

One of the bipartisan "Gang of Six" on the Senate Finance Committee, Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, has been actively negotiating with the White House.

The six met Tuesday to consider a plan by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Montana, to drop the public option and tax the priciest insurance plans. The plan would also take a look at using

"If [co-ops are] going to end up just the way we've known co-ops for 150 years in America, the answer is 'yes,' because they're consumer-driven, and all the consumers benefit from it," Sen. Chuck Grassley, a Republican on the Finance Committee, said on CNN's "American Morning" on Tuesday. "They're organized by members. There's no federal government running the co-ops."

Snowe has been pushing the idea of a safety net, or "trigger," for a public health care option as part of a key compromise. A source familiar with her negotiations with Obama said that's one of the things they're talking about. Video Watch more on the trigger plan »

Throughout the health care debate, Snowe has shied away from radical changes to the nation's private insurance system.

"We obviously want to protect those who currently have good health care. ... They want to preserve it. They want to maintain it," Snowe said in July. "We don't want to interfere with that, nor do we want to interfere with the doctor-patient relationship."

The trigger idea is backed by a former GOP leader.

"We recommend that after about five years, if the insurance companies don't clean up their acts, then there's sort of a trigger where certain things happen, and we think that's a step in the right direction," said former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole, a Republican from Kansas.

Even though Snowe's trigger could win over Senate centrists, like Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson, congressional liberals have said in no uncertain terms: no public option, no deal.

"I say there is no option but a public option," Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Maryland, said in June. "For those who say we need a trigger, I say, 'be careful; you could be shooting down health care.' "

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, has said throughout the health care debate that a public option is pivotal to passing health care reform, a point she reiterated last week.

"Any real change requires the inclusion of a strong public option to promote competition and bring down costs," she said in a news release. "If a vigorous public option is not included, it would be a major victory for the health insurance industry."

Pelosi predicted that any bill without a strong public option will not pass the House.

"Eliminating the public option would be a major victory for the insurance companies who have rationed care, increased premiums and denied coverage," she said.

But on Tuesday, one of the more outspoken members of the fiscally conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats said he will oppose any bill that includes the option.

"A government-run public option is the wrong direction for health reform in this country," Rep. Mike Ross, D-Arkansas, said in a statement. "If House leadership presents a final bill that contains a government-run public option, I will oppose it."

Analysts wonder whether, in the end, Democrats will harm themselves politically.

"What a politician says in September and what they do in November or December are often two different things," said Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics. "Because they come to terms with reality."
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And the reality is, the trigger might be the last best hope of getting a few Republicans on board. Still, liberals argue that the trigger gives the insurance industry another pass.

But after those rowdy town halls in August, a bipartisan health care deal may be out the window.




Wait, five years? Five years ago was when MP3 players was a new technology and some people were still listening to CDs. Eminem's album Encore wasn't even released yet. George Bush became rebecame president a few months earlier.

Five years before that was when Eminem released The Slim Shady LP and some people were still listening to records, and we all were watching video tapes because DVDs and DVD players were expensive. The terrorist attacks on September 11 didn't even happen yet.


You know what, this is more pathetic than waiting a year to end the war and the torture camps. Obama, forget you. The only reason people voted for you was because you were widely advertised and people didn't want a republican in office.

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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby Emadyville » Sep 9th, '09, 01:48

hmmm interesting news, thanks :y:
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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby DrunkenDeath » Sep 9th, '09, 04:13

Emadyville wrote:hmmm interesting news, thanks :y:




um....






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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby BLAHBLAHBLAH » Sep 9th, '09, 15:24

Obama seems pretty confident in himself, considering his term only lasts four years... he is banking the the possibility that he will get reelected
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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby AbramIsaac » Sep 9th, '09, 15:31

I'm not trolling friend, but your posts just keep catching my eye.

You're stupid though, for posting this.

Read the god damn article. Obama hasn't made a statement about waiting five years. That quote about five years is from a GOP leader, a REPUBLICAN.

Seriously, I'm all for respecting crazy opinions, but don't be a fucking douche by posting something that you evidently didn't read.
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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby Emadyville » Sep 9th, '09, 15:32

Drunkendeath wrote:
Emadyville wrote:hmmm interesting news, thanks :y:




um....


it was a :y: for posting this news, I didn't :y: the content
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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby BLAHBLAHBLAH » Sep 9th, '09, 15:42

AbramIsaac wrote:I'm not trolling friend, but your posts just keep catching my eye.

You're stupid though, for posting this.

Read the god damn article. Obama hasn't made a statement about waiting five years. That quote about five years is from a GOP leader, a REPUBLICAN.

Seriously, I'm all for respecting crazy opinions, but don't be a fucking douche by posting something that you evidently didn't read.


no i read the article... and my bad for making the post, i must have skipped a section or something, but who is to say that in four years when obama may/may not get elected, that things don't get all changed around. 5 years is a long time to make plans like this
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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby AbramIsaac » Sep 9th, '09, 16:54

BLAHBLAHBLAH wrote:
AbramIsaac wrote:I'm not trolling friend, but your posts just keep catching my eye.

You're stupid though, for posting this.

Read the god damn article. Obama hasn't made a statement about waiting five years. That quote about five years is from a GOP leader, a REPUBLICAN.

Seriously, I'm all for respecting crazy opinions, but don't be a fucking douche by posting something that you evidently didn't read.


no i read the article... and my bad for making the post, i must have skipped a section or something, but who is to say that in four years when obama may/may not get elected, that things don't get all changed around. 5 years is a long time to make plans like this

No, not you...lol. DrunkenDeath was the one I was talking about. He posted this thread with the headline that Obama is going to wait five years for health insurance and then ranted about the President a little bit when the article he posted has no input from Obama at all and the five years comment was from a republican.

Sorry, this thread is just ridiculous.
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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby BLAHBLAHBLAH » Sep 9th, '09, 17:25

AbramIsaac wrote:
BLAHBLAHBLAH wrote:
AbramIsaac wrote:I'm not trolling friend, but your posts just keep catching my eye.

You're stupid though, for posting this.

Read the god damn article. Obama hasn't made a statement about waiting five years. That quote about five years is from a GOP leader, a REPUBLICAN.

Seriously, I'm all for respecting crazy opinions, but don't be a fucking douche by posting something that you evidently didn't read.


no i read the article... and my bad for making the post, i must have skipped a section or something, but who is to say that in four years when obama may/may not get elected, that things don't get all changed around. 5 years is a long time to make plans like this

No, not you...lol. DrunkenDeath was the one I was talking about. He posted this thread with the headline that Obama is going to wait five years for health insurance and then ranted about the President a little bit when the article he posted has no input from Obama at all and the five years comment was from a republican.

Sorry, this thread is just ridiculous.


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Re: Obama going to wait five years for health insurance 9/08/09

Postby DrunkenDeath » Sep 9th, '09, 23:29

of course, but they didn't want it to say that obama himself said it, so they quoted someone else.

When people read the news about plans about plans to fix the economy, they want a time set. The guy they quoted

The trigger idea is backed by a former GOP leader.


Read it. He said "recommend", as in, remember, he said "we", as in obama and everyone who works for him. "Recommend" means that's how they WANT it to work. If he straight out said "We're going to set the time period for", then the public would get pissed off and outraged more and protest or something. The white house doesn't like protesters, so they do shit like that to keep them away. It's government strategy.
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