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The greatest genius the world has ever seen

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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby chronic » Nov 22nd, '09, 11:13

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chronic wrote:The geniuses western society wants you to forget about;

Ibn al-Natis, a Syrian from the late 13th century, is credited with giving the first correct description of blood circulation in the body, 400 years before the work of Thomas Harvey.

The Polish astronomer Copernicus (1473-1543) has Arabic astronomers to thank for his calculations: indeed, there are diagrams in his books that appear to have been lifted exactly from the work of the Arab astronomer Ibn Shatir 100 years earlier.

The modern scientific method, based on observation and measurement, is often said to have been established in the 17th century by Francis Bacon and René Descartes. But the Iraqi-born physicist Ibn al-Haythem (Alhazen), had the same idea in the 10th century.

The word “alchemy” derives from the Arabic “alkimya”, which means “chemistry”. The world’s first true chemist was a Yemeni Arab by the name of Jabir ibn Hayyan, born in 721.

Al-Razi (Rhazes) was the greatest clinician of the Middle Ages. Born near Teheran in 865, he ran a psychiatric ward in Baghdad at a time when, in the Christian world, the mentally ill would have been regarded as being possessed by the devil.

The word “algebra” comes from the Arabic “al-jebr”, and was made famous by the great ninth-century mathematician al-Khwarizmi. Kitab al-Jabr wa-l-Muqabala(The Compendious Book on Calculation by Completion and Balancing) presented the first systematic solution of linear and quadratic equations. He is considered the founder of algebra.

By the 16th century, while scientific and technological progress continued to be made at a gentler pace in the Muslim world under Persian and Ottoman rule, the European Renaissance was well under way.

The mystery is why the debt the West owed to Muslim scholars was then overlooked: acknowledged at all, the Abbasids are normally credited with nothing more than acting as the guardians of Greek science.

In a world of increasing religious tension, the untold story of Arabic science is a timely reminder of the debt the West owes to the Muslim world – and, perhaps more importantly, of the proud heritage today’s Muslims should acknowledge.

But one cannot deny;
Leibniz
Einstein
Newton
Platon ( Even tho I do not agree with his 'view' of the 'perfect' city)
Aristotle
Socrates
Vinci
Hawking
Confucius
Sun Tzu(Great book)
The pyramid builders (whoever they may be?)
Archimedes
Edison
Feynman
Tesla
Fischer
Swedenborg

Geniuses are born not created.


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Aren't they? I just forgot the name of Natis and found this nice article when I was searching for it, I assure you that I know all these philosophers and what they have done. Even tho I never claimed it was mine (witch you can clearly see by my highlighting) but yeah, thanks for the remark.
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby mcZu » Nov 22nd, '09, 14:17

You forgot that the Arab's where the first who created the concept of a hospital. They were the first who developed animal medicine, a.k.a a vet. The caesarian was invented by an Arab. Poetry was lifted to new levels, by, yes, the Arabs.

And much more.
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Nov 24th, '09, 15:47

I just realized I've been neglecting someone who should absolutely be a contender.
Ludwig Van Beethoven. The passion he put into his music was astounding. His music sounds like the wrath of God, engulfing an esoteric Heaven that lays in wait for the faithful. There will NEVER be another Ludwig Van.
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 25th, '09, 00:15

Can you make a difference between having talent in one certain thing, like making music, and being a true genius? Or is being a "genius" always in just one way. Because someone like Beethoven was a genius but just in making music. In that way Mohammed Ali or Maradonna can be a "genius" too just because they had talent in their particular sports. Some people even can be called a genius just for having the power to convince or motivate other people so they could be great leaders, even though the werent nessicarily the best disicion makers. I know there is no one who is the best in everything, but anyway,

what is the definition in beiing a genius in this topic? Is it depending on the person judging? Just wondering.
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Nov 25th, '09, 00:24

Jiskefet wrote:Can you make a difference between having talent in one certain thing, like making music, and being a true genius? Or is being a "genius" always in just one way. Because someone like Beethoven was a genius but just in making music. In that way Mohammed Ali or Maradonna can be a "genius" too just because they had talent in their particular sports. Some people even can be called a genius just for having the power to convince or motivate other people so they could be great leaders, even though the werent nessicarily the best disicion makers. I know there is no one who is the best in everything, but anyway,

what is the definition in beiing a genius in this topic? Is it depending on the person judging? Just wondering.

The definition is whatever you want it to be. The question, as well as its answers, are designed to be open to interpretation.
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 25th, '09, 00:36

Thanks, unfortunatly there will never be a "greatest genius the world has ever seen" then purely based on facts. There are alot of geniuses I know of then and it will be almost impossible to pick one.
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby gutawafang » Nov 25th, '09, 01:54

Eminem > Shakespeare. It's cliche but it's what I think. :y:
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby chronic » Nov 25th, '09, 05:06

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:
gutawafang wrote:Eminem > Shakespeare. It's cliche but it's what I think. :y:

Eminem > Beethoven


That's just....dumb.
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Nov 25th, '09, 07:16

chronic wrote:
GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:
gutawafang wrote:Eminem > Shakespeare. It's cliche but it's what I think. :y:

Eminem > Beethoven


That's just....dumb.

You don't think Eminem is a better rapper than Beethoven...
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 25th, '09, 17:00

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:You don't think Eminem is a better rapper than Beethoven...


He just doesnt have the chance to prove it anymore :happy:
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby chronic » Nov 26th, '09, 08:25

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:You don't think Eminem is a better rapper than Beethoven...


Beethoven was not a rapper.. If you're talking about musical ability hell no. Beethoven rocked the whole world, almost 250 years later everyone in the world still listens to his work and I honestly don't think it'll be the case for eminem. Eminem's not even the best rapper in history how can you claim that he is a better musician then Beethoven?
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Nov 26th, '09, 08:57

chronic wrote:
GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:You don't think Eminem is a better rapper than Beethoven...


Beethoven was not a rapper.. If you're talking about musical ability hell no. Beethoven rocked the whole world, almost 250 years later everyone in the world still listens to his work and I honestly don't think it'll be the case for eminem. Eminem's not even the best rapper in history how can you claim that he is a better musician then Beethoven?

I agree, except calling someone the greatest rapper in history is strictly opinion.
Of course Beethoven is a better musician than Eminem.
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby Jiskefet » Nov 26th, '09, 17:11

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:
chronic wrote:
GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:You don't think Eminem is a better rapper than Beethoven...


Beethoven was not a rapper.. If you're talking about musical ability hell no. Beethoven rocked the whole world, almost 250 years later everyone in the world still listens to his work and I honestly don't think it'll be the case for eminem. Eminem's not even the best rapper in history how can you claim that he is a better musician then Beethoven?

I agree, except calling someone the greatest rapper in history is strictly opinion.
Of course Beethoven is a better musician than Eminem.


This is like comparing Mike Tyson en Lance Armstrong for who's the better boxer. Its impossible to compare those two in any way in my opinion. Beethoven didnt "rock the whole world" when he was alive. Just some rich people, the elite. Now everybody knows him because of modern media. Also, classical music applies a much bigger audience. He was a genius but this comparison is really irrelevant.

This leaves aside I totally agree with the fact he was a genius. :y:
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Re: The greatest genius the world has ever seen

Postby chronic » Nov 27th, '09, 23:33

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:This is like comparing Mike Tyson en Lance Armstrong for who's the better boxer. Its impossible to compare those two in any way in my opinion. Beethoven didnt "rock the whole world" when he was alive. Just some rich people, the elite. Now everybody knows him because of modern media. Also, classical music applies a much bigger audience. He was a genius but this comparison is really irrelevant.

This leaves aside I totally agree with the fact he was a genius. :y:


Bethoveen did rock the world, he was a wonderkid and a wonderman even after losing his hearing he'd still work in music, I doubt that would have been the case for Eminem. He used to make tours in Europe, in the 18th century, and his music is still played today, 250 years later and I doubt that would have been he case for Eminem. You can compare their impact on the world they lived in and Beethoven made, exponentially, more impact at his time then Eminem did and I'm pretty sure that he made more impact in 'his' future then Eminem will ever do. You probably don't know it but every single day you listen to Bethoveen but you just can't recognize it. Eminem will never be as good as Beethoven level if we compare their 'efficiency' in their domain, never.
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