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Re: Poverty.

Postby Wic Kid » Dec 30th, '09, 19:23

IMO, one of two things that will ALWAYS be around. That and coruption. Those will never go away...
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Drama Setter » Dec 30th, '09, 19:31

We can only cover it by altogether and a global help
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Boston » Dec 30th, '09, 19:34

i think to certain extents we can help.. i mean poverty in 3rd world countries compared to here in the united states are two different things in my eyes..theres different views of poverty i guess you can say..but speaking for around here theres dudes i know i chill with from projects and shit and damn thea not gettin shit for christmas.. none of that.. like theyll be lucky 2 get sutin from mcdonalds. it sucks. always try 2 have a good time wit em wen im out

in other countries it gets worst.. little babies with parasites..(all ages actually) and they cant help them selves..there country is under a civil war/genocide.. w/e the reason may be. it sucks. and i think they do deserve some help but theres only so much people can do.
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Re: Poverty.

Postby mcZu » Dec 30th, '09, 19:42

First of all, I think that most charity organizations are a hoax, a swindle, just a cover up to get profit. Which is oxymoronic, I know, and no, I do not have any proof to support that statement.

That said, yeah, I do think every little thing helps. Everything starts with a good foundation, so we ought to start donating money ourselves. You do not necessarily need to donate money, you can donate food, clothes, etc. Just for the ''poor'' people in your own environment for starters.
Of course, people in Africa need the help more, if we are speaking in general, however, if the money, clothes, food, water, etc. will get where it's supposed to be, is hard to determine. Because of the distance, looking to help people who are in need of help in your own environment is much easier and effectiver.

Now, I am not saying that you should not donate money to a charity that helps people in other countries, 'cause I have done it as well, all I am saying, is that we cannot now for sure if the good deed that you are trying to do is in fact going to help any of the people who need it.
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Le Tunisien » Dec 30th, '09, 19:54

i feel sorry for these poor people,i always give some money to beggers i cross on the :unsure: street
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Emadyville » Dec 30th, '09, 20:19

As long as there are cities there will be poverty, read in this economics book that its one of the major problems, and I mean that as in a first-world or highly developed country. Plus our world as a whole in 2008 passed from the majority being rural to urban, and cities will only ever continue to show up, bringing the number of those in poverty to increase :'(
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Re: Poverty.

Postby EminemBase » Dec 30th, '09, 20:46

America alone could solve the third World's poverty issues.

There are many reasons they and all the other countries do not and it's based in corruption.

The higher powers are comfy in their positions, why would they care. They have no true compassion. This is why you hear of oil companies dumping their loads in these countries. This is why it's ironic and bizarre to see Nike and other large companies arrange charity events to help exploited countries and people when they're some of the people exploiting them lmao.

None of this will ever truly change as long as we continue to have a monetary system. Money is just a bartering tool, we have had many bartering techniques in human history - We now have the technology and the resources not only to abolish the use of fossil fuels (oil, gas etc.) but also to end the need of money. We don't need bartering methods with the resources and technology we have.

Also, the amount of human labour could be almost entirely cut out. We see it happening over and over throughout history. Just like machines replacing humans in the car industry. There was even a time when humans were needed to reel lifts up and down. But because we NEED human labuour in order for the economy to function like it does, the very thing we're trying to progress in - Technology and Science (the only true things that have EVER helped mankind) - Goes directly against this system.

This is why I don't doubt that the higher powers of Government purposely suppress technological advancement in lots of areas and find ways of 'not having the funds' (when we have no problem for war). Because if we were to advance to stage we truly could of by now, there would be no need for human labuour and if there's no human labuour and thus no driving force behind the economy - Everything breaks down.

Politics, religion and money have only ever been detrimental to humans and as long as they continue to be driving forces in humanity, we will always come up short. You take out the monetary system and you immediately eradicate most crime. You take out religion and you eradicate most misery.

And as for politics. All politicians can do is set budgets, make laws and declare wars. The true solvers of our mysteries are and always have been technology and science. Politicians are elected not to change things, but to keep them the same. Until we reform our way of dealing with human issues, a way that doesn't involve these things - We will always have crime, poverty and war.

But obviously no politician of Government has the balls to even attempt a reform of any kind. Why would they. They're cushty. It'll take a fucking revolution.

That's the true reason for the constant economic downfall too, technology replacing humans. Notice that in the 20's most jobs were consumed by the car and oil industry - Then cam the technological replacements and boom went the economy.

And notice today, most human work is service-based. We hardly need humans at all with the technology we have. But Governments have to suppress technology and keep, effectively... Paid slavery in order - To keep the economy in order. An endless, always destructive circle.

They also must keep a separation between rich, middle-class and poor.

This is why...
Rich man puts $100k in bank - Earns high interest whilst money sat doing nothing
Poor man gets loan with high interest rate = his interest rate feeds the rich man's free interest.

Banks literally rob from the poor and give to the rich lmao. And with a monetary system it could be no other way. It's no coincidence that the state of society in terms of wealth-classes never seems to alter much.
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Emadyville » Dec 30th, '09, 21:14

Actually I would say one reason for poverty is also the gap in middle class and upper class. The wealthy always get richer, the middle class always stay the same and the poor stay the same, the upper/wealthy class needs to distribute their wealth more efficiently, or at all, which would help middle class move up, and in turn also bring the poverty level up. At least thats what i think :unsure:
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Raquel » Dec 30th, '09, 22:48

I will talk about helping...sadly i have to admit tht i feel sorry but i don't do anything. I don't usually give money to the beggars, cuz the ones that I always see don't use the money for eating, they buy wine and thats all. So I'm not going to give them money to drink. When i see some beggar that are not alcoholics/drug addicts i give them money.
As i go to a religious school,sometimes we go for example on christmas and sing carols in the street to save money to the kids that live in poor places.And that makes me feel better with myself, but i know i don't do enough for poor people.
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Sophie » Dec 30th, '09, 23:18

PINK wrote:When people say I don't give money to baggers cause they buy drink and get drunk, but would you want to be sober in that situation?
If they didn't drink they most likely wouldn't BE in that situation.
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Raquel » Dec 30th, '09, 23:30

Ok, some of them drink cuz they have no money. But most of them have no money cuz they are alcoholics.
And if they are drunk because you are in that situation i wouldn't give them money for drinking. They should stop drinking and try,fight for getting a job or something.
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Raquel » Dec 30th, '09, 23:39

PINK wrote:Okay lets step away from that, as I think those people who are homeless as the result of drinking simple made wrong choices. How about people who have no choice in anything?


You mean.. for example poor people in Africa?
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Raquel » Dec 30th, '09, 23:54

Ok, I would like to help them, but i don't know what can i do. I do some things(like i said, with school to save money to poor people) but what can i do? I'm 15 years old, don't have a work, I don't have barely anything.
They have no choice, and when i think about that i feel sorry, of course. People in 3rd world,kids that have grown up without parents or with alcoholics/drugadicts parents and had to work since they were little kids and they have no oportunities,they're who really need help, who really deserve help.
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Re: Poverty.

Postby Raquel » Dec 31st, '09, 00:03

^yea i got you wrong.
But what i think about that, I don't know exactly how get that question. You mean, like if i think that's good or bad? what is the fault of this problems?

The first thing i can think of when i heard about povery in the 3d world are two words: Injustice & greed/egoism.
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