God doesn't exist

[Sophie]

I'm sorry? Can you not read? Saying that MUSLIMS or islam make him sick to his stomach, you don't think that has anything to do with race? Read it again.

sorry but Muslim refers to religion not race.

Yes, I can read fine.

And can you define racism? Racism is discrimination against different types of people, whether they be black, white, christian or muslim, so yes, i think that comment is racist thankyou very much.

[EminemBase]

I'm sorry? Can you not read? Saying that MUSLIMS or islam make him sick to his stomach, you don't think that has anything to do with race? Read it again.

sorry but Muslim refers to religion not race.

Yes, I can read fine.

And can you define racism? Racism is discrimination against different types of people, whether they be black, white, christian or muslim, so yes, i think that comment is racist thankyou very much.

No racism is irrational discrimination against a person of a RACE ie. Colour of skin FOR their race. Because of their race.

Nollie's disgust at the teachings of Islam is not racism in any sense of the word. It's disgust based on a logical distaste of specific views.

It's like saying to be disgusted by skin heads is racism against skin heads.

[ra1n]

I'm sorry? Can you not read? Saying that MUSLIMS or islam make him sick to his stomach, you don't think that has anything to do with race? Read it again.

sorry but Muslim refers to religion not race.

Yes, I can read fine.

And can you define racism? Racism is discrimination against different types of people, whether they be black, white, christian or muslim, so yes, i think that comment is racist thankyou very much.

lol. Stop making yourself look foolish. Muslim is not a race.

Blacks can be Muslim. Whites can be Muslim. Purple people can be Muslim.

admit you're wrong and move on.

[BILI]

I'm sorry? Can you not read? Saying that MUSLIMS or islam make him sick to his stomach, you don't think that has anything to do with race? Read it again.

sorry but Muslim refers to religion not race.

Yes, I can read fine.

And can you define racism? Racism is discrimination against different types of people, whether they be black, white, christian or muslim, so yes, i think that comment is racist thankyou very much.

That would be religious intolerance,not racism,racism is race-based,when someone dislikes a white,black,etc.. for no reason,except for their race

[EminemBase]

That would be religious intolerance,not racism,racism is race-based,when someone dislikes a white,black,etc.. for no reason,except for their race

This is correct.

Even grammatically correct. I would however take a personal disliking to the use of the word "intolerance".

It suggests it's bigotry against perfectly respectable views when in fact, I believe Nollie is being intolerant of views he sees to be evil and disgusting.

So technically, it is still intolerance yes. But I wouldn't mind being called a racist intolerant. I am intolerant of racism. I too am also intolerant of the twisted babble of not just Islam but all religions.

[Sophie]

That would be religious intolerance,not racism,racism is race-based,when someone dislikes a white,black,etc.. for no reason,except for their race

I apoligise, this is what i meant to say, i thought racism included religion, but i'm wrong (there's a first for everything ). HOWEVER Nollie should NOT have said what he said, and if i'm honest he needs to keep opinions like that to himself. If i disregarded whatever religion you are Nollie you wouldn't like it much would you? No, so think of other people's feelings.

[ra1n]

@ sophie: its okay babe...chilll

Hmm i think i answered that...
The defination of God for me is quite clear and simple

He has to be ONE, there cannot be another like him.i cant have a god for rain,food,wealth, that means if i offend Rain god then i cant have rain?? wtf?!

He has to be eternal and absolute: My God cannot die, he cannot suffer from ailments,diseases,headaches,family problems, imgaine folowing a God who himself gets sick... Are we supposed to look after him ?? Isnt he who's supposed to be lookin after us..

HE cannot be born...If he was born of some 1 why not worship the person/being who raised him...doesnt that make sense??

Also My god should be incomparable...i mean the moment i say/think God..i should not think of ANYTHING,it shud not possible to conjure up a mental picture of the One True God ,i mean imagine runin into someone on the streets and suddenly thinkin "Holy fuck...he looks like GOD!!!"

These are a jest of the traits a GOD should have..like all these traits once satisfied will make god UNIQUE, there will be NO 1 like him anywhere...EVER.

what i'm tryin to say is that..okay heres an example...Neil Armstrong. Neil Armstrong is an astronaut. The attribute of being an astronaut possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not unique to Neil Armstrong alone. So when one asks, who is an astronaut? The answer is, there are hundreds of people in the world who are astronauts. Neil Armstrong is an American. The attribute of being American possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not sufficient to identify him. So when one asks, who is an American? The answer is, there are millions of people who are American. To identify the person uniquely we must look for a unique attribute possessed by none except that person. For example, Neil Armstrong was the first human to set foot on the moon. So when one asks, who was the first man to set foot on the moon, the answer is only one, i.e. Neil Armstrong. Similarly the attribute of Almighty God should be unique.
thats all..

Ok bottomline is: You believe in a supernatural entity.

I am not 100% positively sure that all supernatural beings do not exist.

However, it is HIGHLY IMPROBABLE that such deities exist, and until counter evidence is produced, there is no reason to suspect the evidence of such deities.


"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

[BILI]

That would be religious intolerance,not racism,racism is race-based,when someone dislikes a white,black,etc.. for no reason,except for their race

This is correct.

Even grammatically correct. I would however take a personal disliking to the use of the word "intolerance".

It suggests it's bigotry against perfectly respectable views when in fact, I believe Nollie is being intolerant of views he sees to be evil and disgusting.

So technically, it is still intolerance yes. But I wouldn't mind being called a racist intolerant. I am intolerant of racism. I too am also intolerant of the twisted babble of not just Islam but all religions.

Yeah,its ok,I was just pointing to her that there is a difference between hate toward race,and hate toward religion,beacause she was saying that its the same,and that we dont know what term "racism" means.

She said that racism is also a hate towars muslims,while its a religion not a race and racism is race-based,you can have black muslim,white muslim........black christian,white christian,so it aint racism to say that muslims/christans are stupid,or any religion

[EminemBase]

HOWEVER Nollie should NOT have said what he said, and if i'm honest he needs to keep opinions like that to himself. If i disregarded whatever religion you are Nollie you wouldn't like it much would you? No, so think of other people's feelings.

Oh no no no. This is very wrong. So you are an enemy of freedom of speech then?

You're telling me that religions are free to say and do what they like. They're free to try and ban progressive science (stem-cell research etc.) but people like Nollie are NOT free to simply express an opinion? This is bigotry of the most destructive order.

Why should religion be exempt from all criticism. Would you also be so defensive of... Britney Spears fans' views and 'hurt' and 'offence' if somebody were to call her music cheap, tacky rubbish?

Other people's feelings lmao. Only for religion though ey. I'm sick of religious people saying they're so 'hurt' and 'offended' at usually moderate apposing, logical fucking opinion.

I'm offended by the hundreds of years of genocide done in god's name. I'm offended by religious powers that deem it moral and right to perform genital mutilation on innocent young children. I'm offended by the religious mongrels who try and ban progressive science. I'm offended by the parties of god who blow up our buildings. I'm offended by the muslims who ran through the streets of our cities, setting fire to our things, over a few CARTOONS by a Danish cartoonish.

I'm offended by the fact that there have been cases in law which have permitted men to beat their wives because it's 'their religion'. I'm offended there have been cases that permit children (under the instruction of their parents) to participate in hate speech (usually against gays) because it's 'their religion'. I'm offended religion considers itself above the law, I'm offended by all this and more.

But do you see atheists standing in city centers telling you that you must accept there is no god else you shall burn for all eternity. Do you see atheists trying to ban points of view. Do you see atheists trying to practice totalitarianism, brainwashing kids, putting the fear of hell-fire in children's minds. Bombing buildings, permitting rape. Do you see them claiming they're 'hurt' and 'offended' when deluded religious fucks act out insane, violent actions in the name of their imagined celestial dictator.

No you do not. It's about time you fucking do though. Enough of this madness. We're hurt and offended by these Pagan-driven groups of maniacs, how about that.

[Arabian Shady]

@ sophie: its okay babe...chilll

Hmm i think i answered that...
The defination of God for me is quite clear and simple

He has to be ONE, there cannot be another like him.i cant have a god for rain,food,wealth, that means if i offend Rain god then i cant have rain?? wtf?!

He has to be eternal and absolute: My God cannot die, he cannot suffer from ailments,diseases,headaches,family problems, imgaine folowing a God who himself gets sick... Are we supposed to look after him ?? Isnt he who's supposed to be lookin after us..

HE cannot be born...If he was born of some 1 why not worship the person/being who raised him...doesnt that make sense??

Also My god should be incomparable...i mean the moment i say/think God..i should not think of ANYTHING,it shud not possible to conjure up a mental picture of the One True God ,i mean imagine runin into someone on the streets and suddenly thinkin "Holy fuck...he looks like GOD!!!"

These are a jest of the traits a GOD should have..like all these traits once satisfied will make god UNIQUE, there will be NO 1 like him anywhere...EVER.

what i'm tryin to say is that..okay heres an example...Neil Armstrong. Neil Armstrong is an astronaut. The attribute of being an astronaut possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not unique to Neil Armstrong alone. So when one asks, who is an astronaut? The answer is, there are hundreds of people in the world who are astronauts. Neil Armstrong is an American. The attribute of being American possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not sufficient to identify him. So when one asks, who is an American? The answer is, there are millions of people who are American. To identify the person uniquely we must look for a unique attribute possessed by none except that person. For example, Neil Armstrong was the first human to set foot on the moon. So when one asks, who was the first man to set foot on the moon, the answer is only one, i.e. Neil Armstrong. Similarly the attribute of Almighty God should be unique.
thats all..

Ok bottomline is: You believe in a supernatural entity.

I am not 100% positively sure that all supernatural beings do not exist.not possible to conjure up a mental picture of the One True God

However, it is HIGHLY IMPROBABLE that such deities exist, and until counter evidence is produced, there is no reason to suspect the evidence of such deities.


"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence"

well i still respect that fact that you came forward, asked a question ,listened to the answer and THEN stated your View. I cannot say more than what i've said....My posts speak clearly,thats all brotha

[Sophie]

Oh no no no. This is very wrong. So you are an enemy of freedom of speech then?

You're telling me that religions are free to say and do what they like. They're free to try and ban progressive science (stem-cell research etc.) but people like Nollie are NOT free to simply express an opinion? This is bigotry of the most destructive order.

I'm sorry, can you show me where i stated that religions are allowed to say and do what they like? No? Because I didn't. He's generalising a WHOLE religion and saying they make him sick, without giving a reason for his statement, I think that's wrong.

Do you see atheists trying to ban points of view.

You don't seem to take anybody else's opinions or view into account, so i think you need to ask yourself this question.

You seem to get this idea that I said only religions are allowed to speak their mind. Maybe i was unclear in my statement, what i mean to say it was wrong of Nollie to say what he said without giving a legitimate reason for it, although i also do think it was VERY rude what he said. I never once said it was only okay for religious people to say what they wanted. You're not religious at all and you clearly have no problem with saying what you want, i'm not stopping you am i?

[EminemBase]

^ No you're not stopping me and neither should you try to stop Nollie.

You didn't say all religions can do what they like but you did say Nollie shouldn't be allowed to express his views on religion. Again, buying into this automatic heightened respect of religion.

Religion should not be exempt from criticism.

I think his statement is self-evident. Him saying "what are you teaching you're children in schools" immediately makes me aware of why he said it.

If you're not aware of why the teachings of Islam and the teaching of them to innocent children make him sick, maybe you should go and read the teachings instead of blasting his obviously informed opinion.

[BILI]

^ No you're not stopping me and neither should you try to stop Nollie.

You didn't say all religions can do what they like but you did say Nollie shouldn't be allowed to express his views on religion. Again, buying into this automatic heightened respect of religion.

Religion should not be exempt from criticism.

I think his statement is self-evident. Him saying "what are you teaching you're children in schools" immediately makes me aware of why he said it.

If you're not aware of why the teachings of Islam and the teaching of them to innocent children make him sick, maybe you should go and read the teachings instead of blasting his obviously informed opinion.

,fuck it,this dude is know his shit

[Eminem4Life1006]

God only in the minds of religious people, if people believe in a God they will believe in it if others dont then they wont. Some say a God exists others say no such thing exists. In my opinion I believe in a God even though I am not very religious (don't go to church, dont read the bible) but that is because I'm just lazy. But i grew up learning about God in a religious school so that probably helped in instilling this thought in my head. Bottom line is people all have different opinions.

[EminemBase]

^ Yes but then you have to concede god is a delusion.

In fact you don't even have to concede that, that's just a fact.

Definition of a delusion:
an erroneous belief that is held in the face of evidence to the contrary.

That is the definition of the belief in god. God is a belief, for which there is no evidence and enormous apposing evidence to the contrary to every religious book... That millions still believe. Some believe their books as literal. These people are, by definition, deluded.

So if you want to believe it, fine. But it should not be taught in schools as an alternative for how we got here, how life came to be or anything of the sorts.

I too went to a religious school, moderate but a Roman Catholic one never the less. I have never believed in god, I actually remember being as young as 7 or 8 and just thinking "this is obviously not true" and I was the bane of my religious teachers' lives lmao.

But it discourages debate, it teaches that this is the truth, the unquestionable truth and there is no debate to be had. And religion also teaches faith is not only a good thing but that's it's superior to believing with evidence. It teaches that faith is a virtue.

This is why I appose it as strongly as I do. This is not a good mindset to teach to children. It's in fact more than not good, it's irresponsible and detrimental to young, developing minds. We should encourage independent, critical thinking. Not closed-minded, one-road answers.