God doesn't exist

[Le Tunisien]

this is not an opinion or anything,its a fact,truth,that in this earth there are more people who believe in god than those who doesnt,
men lie,women lie,numbers dont


u'r damn right...shame one me...im talkin to an atheist ...damn!

ps: talkin about babbling,stop writing 100 lines to say nothing

[ra1n]

this is not an opinion or anything,its a fact,truth,that in this earth there are more people who believe in god than those who doesnt,
men lie,women lie,numbers dont


u'r damn right...shame one me...im talkin to an atheist ...damn!

ps: talkin about babbling,stop writing 100 lines to say nothing

lmfao you are incredibly bad at forming a coherent argument/rebuttal.

Just because the a majority of the world believes something doesn't make it true.

You: "If you can't fight 'em with facts, use numbers!"

Argument from Popularity (formally, argumentum ad populam) is an informal logical fallacy where an individual claims that a proposition is true because it is or has been widely believed. In its most general form, the argument is generally presented as follows.

P is believed by millions of people worldwide
Therefore, P
It is a fallacy because millions or billions of people can still believe in something that is wrong.

Examples:
There are two closely related forms of the argument from popularity.
Example 1:
Antagonist: "Millions of people worldwide believe in fairies. Obviously, fairies do exist!"
Example 2:
Antagonist: "People have believed in fairies for thousands of years. Obviously, fairies do exist!"

[EminemBase]

^ He's also too ignorant to read answers to his own questions or too stupid to understand real answers. I suspect both. As I answered every question he posed, in-depth.

With logic too. So he's clearly just evading the real answers with his little comments. Saying I wrote 100 lines and said nothing.

Well, I can even go to his question about why are humans so perfect.

Now as I said, anybody who knows anything about biology knows that all living creatures have dozens of credulous inherent flaws in them and are far from perfect.

So to invoke a designer would mean to invoke a poor one at that. And if it's a poor designer which makes such bad mistakes, it can't be a very intelligent one. But in order to explain such complexity with a designer, you'd need a designer that was very intelligent indeed. So this simply cannot be the case.

I fail to see how this is nothing. This is perfect logic and not just my opinion either. It's a fact that there are flaws in biological make-up, very obvious ones, that can be very easily explained with evolution by natural selection.

I'm straying again though. I've added him to my ignore list. Like most sheep... Sorry, 'religious people', he just sticks his fingers in his ears, asks questions and then goes la la la.

Notice how I answered every challenge he gave me with yet no decent refute back from him. Yet he hasn't been able to answer a single challenge of mine. Just resorts to desperation - As you just pointed out, argument by popularity being one.

[Le Tunisien]

^ He's also too ignorant to read answers to his own questions or too stupid to understand real answers. I suspect both. As I answered every question he posed, in-depth.

With logic too. So he's clearly just evading the real answers with his little comments. Saying I wrote 100 lines and said nothing.

Well, I can even go to his question about why are humans so perfect.

Now as I said, anybody who knows anything about biology knows that all living creatures have dozens of credulous inherent flaws in them and are far from perfect.

So to invoke a designer would mean to invoke a poor one at that. And if it's a poor designer which makes such bad mistakes, it can't be a very intelligent one. But in order to explain such complexity with a designer, you'd need a designer that was very intelligent indeed. So this simply cannot be the case.

I fail to see how this is nothing. This is perfect logic and not just my opinion either. It's a fact that there are flaws in biological make-up, very obvious ones, that can be very easily explained with evolution by natural selection.

I'm straying again though. I've added him to my ignore list. Like most sheep... Sorry, 'religious people', he just sticks his fingers in his ears, asks questions and then goes la la la.

Notice how I answered every challenge he gave me with yet no decent refute back from him. Yet he hasn't been able to answer a single challenge of mine. Just resorts to desperation - As you just pointed out, argument by popularity being one.

atheist,you get laughed at lol please be a stan for something positive,
em believe in god,do like him ROFL! ! !
and ur arguments are really weak,u talk as if u was a scientist or something,can u prove ur words with some links ?at least those proofs would make more sense than the bullshit u are writing and u act as if everything u are saying was a fact,
and wigga please,stop acting as if u was a very intelligent dude,you trying to ridiculize my thought makes you sound ridiculous,
like seriouly atheists represents a minority in this planet,

so like a said you are nothing to me but an atheist and also a newbie ,who wouldnt change his mind or listen to what the other people say,and whenever u'r wrong u try to prove that u are right, by any means possible

and hey i thought you said ,that was ur last reply hah,obviously You contradict yourself again!

[EminemBase]

^ There is no hope for an individual as deluded, bigoted, ignorant, self-centered, small-minded and foolish such as yourself.

Good luck with your life, you'll fucking need it.

Since you don't value science, evidence and rationality though, no need to go to the doctors, hypocrite. Just pray. God meant to make you sick anyway, so who are you to challenge his plan.

Oh and since you appose knowledge supported by evidence, don't bother avoiding that big truck next time you cross the road. You'll be fine. What are the laws of physics anyway right? They're not proof of anything in your eyes. God will save you.

Maniac. All future posts by you I'm no longer even reading. It's just a non-stop circular ring of desperate babble spewing out. This time resorting back to the same, invalid argument by popularity, EVEN AFTER TWO PEOPLE POINTED IT and EXPOSED IT.

Also back to the empty refuting of my arguments which you haven't even read. Just saying I'm not proving anything with no justification, refuting or specific apposition lmfao. Still not even answering a single challenge of mine. Despite me answering every one of yours.

You're a hopeless case in our primate family. Bye.

[EminemBase]

If I could get one for every time you and he evaded any real debate with name-calling, blind refuting.

Or every time you answered a straight-up logical challenge with a revert back to bronze-age scripture or a metaphorical interpretation of a fictional religious tale... As if that proves anything...

More cowardly evasion. Still no answers.

[EminemBase]

^ I've actually provided proof for all my arguments such as evolution, which I don't need to argue for anyway as it's a fact. Not my opinion.

You're the one who needs to provide proof as YOU are the one who claims there is a divine intelligence.

All of my arguments have been detriments to this point of view which have posed challenges, which you and that other guy have failed to answer, at all.

So what do you mean provide proof.

How about you try answering some of the points raised. Go back and read my monster post a few up which answered every question posed by that guy. And neither of you have answered a single challenge in there or successfully apposed anything.

You've just blindfully refuted thereafter.

This other guy says 'there is no solid proof for evolution' - He also doubts the evidence before he's looked at it. THIS is a bigot. Not me who has informed views thanks very much.

You and that turd are the ones who have constantly resorted back to personal insults because you have no logical argument (how could you, your standpoint is illogical by definition) to support your beliefs. So you duck questions and run to the easy option.

[ra1n]

^
(a) Arabian Shady provided zero evidence for the existence of god(s)/deities.
- If you think he did, feel free to post [specific] parts of his argument.

(b) I haven't seen anyone else post links for their arguments.

(c) he provided sound examples of evidence that back up Evolution.

If you're confused or need more clarification, Use google.

or, Here's a good start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

[AbramIsaac]

Wow...these threads always bring out the worst in members.

They probably shouldn't even be started, as they don't lead anywhere, really. Arguments against God are the same as always--science-based, logical points--and the arguments for God are the same as well--faith-based, emotional points. What's the point?

Does God exist? Science doesn't point to that conclusion. People are free to believe otherwise as long as no one's rights are infringed upon because of that belief.

That's my .02 anyway.

PS. Arguing with le tunisien is a really unfair, petty thing to do. It's sort of like pitting a guy with a Doctorate in *anything* against a child. Not even an Asian child. More like a kid from the dirtiest trailer park in town. Just ignore him, and he'll eventually forget about this thread.

EminemBase, good arguments.

[EminemBase]

^ You're correct. It is pointless to a degree.

The two apposing, strong views are irreconcilable but debates on god (and I've had enough to last a lifetime) usually bring some... Interesting... Challenges to the table.

All of which we've all heard before (except for Menzo etc.) but they can sometimes be at least a bit interesting, in some sense.

I didn't realise there were members as intellectually vile as Menzo and his irrational posse though.

You're totally right about le tunisien too. He's like an annoying knat that you keep trying to swipe with the rolled up magazine. Constantly buzzing but always aimless.

His core arguments are usually along the lines of (paraphrasing... just about)...
"We don't need any 'proof' for god, just look at humans. life is perfect and proof and... anyway why would such a piece of shit like you be alive if no god ahahahahaha, see god real!"

It is like battering an infant with ideas. Except it's funnier than that because he thinks he's winning. Even though everybody else can see how fatuous and nonsensical everything he says is, he thinks his non-stop irrational crap is actual substance-filled debate. Lunatic.

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

EmBase, do you believe in witchcraft or the occult?

[EminemBase]

^ Absolutely not.

I don't believe in anything supernatural.

As Einstein said, the miracle is - that there are no miracles.

You know I don't though

[GoodGirlsGetGutted]

That's a good quote. I like this one:
"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."-
Mark Twain

Remember this: If God is manmade, so is science.

I'm staying neutral in this one, but you have to admit that science is a manmade entity, just as many say God is.

[BILI]

That's a good quote. I like this one:
"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."-
Mark Twain

Remember this: If God is manmade, so is science.

I'm staying neutral in this one, but you have to admit that science is a manmade entity, just as many say God is.

[Elision]

Remember this: If God is manmade, so is science.

I'm staying neutral in this one, but you have to admit that science is a manmade entity, just as many say God is.

Science is not manmade. Science is very simply the observation and manipulation of what nature has given us by default.