If you're atheist..

[classthe_king]

And me being a "common forum-goer" and him being an Oxford professor has nothing to do with it.

That has everything to do with it. Everything.

That's just a cop out. None of the points I made were my points, they were taken from credible sources and actual scientists. The facts should stand by themselves, not by who said them.

And I wrote an essay on the pyramids and their ties to aliens in high school and it's some of the craziest shit I've ever read. I don't have my notes with me here but one of my favorite facts was something like the drill power they used to build the pyramids were 50x faster than the best technology they had during 1980 or something like that. Crazy shit.



Edit: Replying to your last statement. I'm not sure if you're trolling but if you're not then I'm highly disappointed. All the intelligence I thought you had is now gone. Evolution is not even close to being on the same level as intelligent design. There is a mountain of evidence for evolution and zero evidence for intelligent design. When I researched the topic I was nowhere near biased, in fact I WANTED to believe in a god. I just couldn't find any reason to do so. Not believing in evolution is equal to not believing in gravity at this point.

[Blu]

And I wrote an essay on the pyramids and their ties to aliens in high school and it's some of the craziest shit I've ever read. I don't have my notes with me here but one of my favorite facts was something like the drill power they used to build the pyramids were 50x faster than the best technology they had during 1980 or something like that. Crazy shit.

Damn, wish I could see those notes and that essay...really interesting topic.

[classthe_king]

And I wrote an essay on the pyramids and their ties to aliens in high school and it's some of the craziest shit I've ever read. I don't have my notes with me here but one of my favorite facts was something like the drill power they used to build the pyramids were 50x faster than the best technology they had during 1980 or something like that. Crazy shit.

Damn, wish I could see those notes and that essay...really interesting topic.

It honestly was awesome. If you remind me in 2 weeks when I go home I'll get them off my other computer for you guys.

[Block]

Edit: Replying to your last statement. I'm not sure if you're trolling but if you're not then I'm highly disappointed. All the intelligence I thought you had is now gone. Evolution is not even close to being on the same level as intelligent design. There is a mountain of evidence for evolution and zero evidence for intelligent design. When I researched the topic I was nowhere near biased, in fact I WANTED to believe in a god. I just couldn't find any reason to do so. Not believing in evolution is equal to not believing in gravity at this point.

So you tried to quickly google something to dispute what you read in the outline of the book I posted? It wasn't your work, meaning you have no idea whether or not it's true. Meaning it could potentially be some jibberish you found online by some crackpot? Not really convincing. And considering you didn't read the book, you didn't form your own opinion and went purely on the opinions of others, I'm not sure what you're even attempting to argue here. How can you form a rebuttal toward an obviously brilliant author, using someone else's opinion?

The book lists names of renowned scientists and scholars alike who don't believe in evolution. Surely they're smarter than you or I could ever hope to be. If you base your respect for somebody on their beliefs, whether it's political, religious or any matter relating to the two, I (and anyone else who has half a brain) could probably do without your 'respect'.


But yes, the pyramid shit is ridiculously fascinating.

[classthe_king]

Edit: Replying to your last statement. I'm not sure if you're trolling but if you're not then I'm highly disappointed. All the intelligence I thought you had is now gone. Evolution is not even close to being on the same level as intelligent design. There is a mountain of evidence for evolution and zero evidence for intelligent design. When I researched the topic I was nowhere near biased, in fact I WANTED to believe in a god. I just couldn't find any reason to do so. Not believing in evolution is equal to not believing in gravity at this point.

So you tried to quickly google something to dispute what you read in the outline of the book I posted? It wasn't your work, meaning you have no idea whether or not it's true. Meaning it could potentially be some jibberish you found online by some crackpot? Not really convincing. And considering you didn't read the book, you didn't form your own opinion and went purely on the opinions of others, I'm not sure what you're even attempting to argue here. How can you form a rebuttal toward an obviously brilliant author, using someone else's opinion?

The book lists names of renowned scientists and scholars alike who don't believe in evolution. Surely they're smarter than you or I could ever hope to be. If you base your respect for somebody on their beliefs, whether it's political, religious or any matter relating to the two, I (and anyone else who has half a brain) could probably do without your 'respect'.


But yes, the pyramid shit is ridiculously fascinating.

Because I'm not an evolutionary biologist? Therefore I can't make my argument on my own, did you even see what I linked to? Those were legit sources by actual scientists. And I didn't quickly google that, I've done hours and hours of research over the years and have all of it saved in documents so I just looked my notes up real quick on abiogenesis and evolution.

You want to talk about the legitimacy of the person making the argument, you're taking a professor of mathematics over the entire scientific community. If you just want to go off of the opinion of the smartest person on each side I'm pretty sure Neil Degrasse Tyson knows a little bit more than John Lennox

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti3mtDC2fQo

And I don't base my respects off of political or religious views. I could care less about that stuff, I never said that I respected you less, I just said I thought you were less intelligent.

[Block]

That's where you're wrong. He may be in the minority, but he's certainly not some lone ranger. You said the entire scientific community. Entire is a definitive word. No room for error. In the same post that you quoted, you quoted me saying that he (Lennox) named a number of scientists and scholars who disagree with evolution. Therefore, I'm hardly taking one man's word over an entire community. I'm simply siding with the minority, rather than the popular vote. Your argument stems from the fact you disagree with my views. That's fine, I'm hardly trying to convert anyone--I'm not a religion.

EDIT: Also, given that you're NOT a biologist of any sort, wouldn't you benefit from researching the opposite side of the spectrum?

[classthe_king]

That's where you're wrong. He may be in the minority, but he's certainly not some lone ranger. You said the entire scientific community. Entire is a definitive word. No room for error. In the same post that you quoted, you quoted me saying that he (Lennox) named a number of scientists and scholars who disagree with evolution. Therefore, I'm hardly taking one man's word over an entire community. I'm simply siding with the minority, rather than the popular vote. Your argument stems from the fact you disagree with my views. That's fine, I'm hardly trying to convert anyone--I'm not a religion.

EDIT: Also, given that you're NOT a biologist of any sort, wouldn't you benefit from researching the opposite side of the spectrum?

Okay my bad, I change the entire scientific community to 99% of the scientific community. That's not just a majority, that's a HUGE majority. And these are the people that study this stuff for their careers.

And I have studied the opposite side of the spectrum, a great deal. But what I found was that if the creationists made a point there was a plethora of evidence from the other side that countered that point but creationists can't seem to counter ANY point made by the evolutionists. The argument is so one sided it's not even plausible to me to not believe in evolution.

[Block]

it's not plausible for me to believe in made up statistics either. Yet you keep posting them (99%). I guess we're at crossroad here. Condescension gets you nowhere in this topic.

As I said, I'm not converting anyone. I couldn't care less about what you believe.

[Spyder]

thank you block
you and class can argue whilst slik tries to dispute me


Slik, your whole post becomes null and void when i say Erich von Däniken first had the idea about AAT in a....book

factually this makes the most sense, the bible depicts Gods (many mind you, unlike catholisism where there is A God) descending from the sky, creating man in their image... and yet your more apt to believe that a supernatural being, with essentially magical powers is more realistic than beings from other planets we just havent found yet, creating us with technology... ok...
i believe aliens spliced their dna with primates dna, in order to make an educated species to mine gold for them. hence why our society and ancient societies value gold unbelievably. there is no astounding reason to why we exist, we were a helping hand science project.

and the obvious statement block said above, civilizations all with the same building methods but yet no communications. the great pyramid is the heaviest structure on earth, yet people without cranes,etc made it...YA. structures with edges so fine and even, on stone so hard that diamond had to be used, yet no diamonds have ever been found.

even if you some how try to argue against aliens creating us, how in the hell you gonna come up with how they built those.... not even counting the underwater structures with paved roads and perfect right angles that pre-date man

[CrashBand]

it's not plausible for me to believe in made up statistics either. Yet you keep posting them (99%). I guess we're at crossroad here. Condescension gets you nowhere in this topic.

As I said, I'm not converting anyone. I couldn't care less about what you believe.

Block, do you seriously no think an overwhelming majority of the scientific community doesn't believe in evolution.

If so, you are clutching at straws.

[Block]

it's not plausible for me to believe in made up statistics either. Yet you keep posting them (99%). I guess we're at crossroad here. Condescension gets you nowhere in this topic.

As I said, I'm not converting anyone. I couldn't care less about what you believe.

Block, do you seriously no think an overwhelming majority of the scientific community doesn't believe in evolution.

If so, you are clutching at straws.

CrashBand, did you bother reading anything I said?

If so, you'd realize that your post is completely irrelevant.

[classthe_king]

it's not plausible for me to believe in made up statistics either. Yet you keep posting them (99%). I guess we're at crossroad here. Condescension gets you nowhere in this topic.

As I said, I'm not converting anyone. I couldn't care less about what you believe.

99% is NOT a made up statistic. Obviously it's not exact but I would say it's more likely that 99.99% of scientists would choose evolution. As I posted earlier, 93% of scientists don't even believe in a personal god at all, which means AT LEAST 93% believe in evolution and I would bet that out of the 7% that do a vast majority of those at least have the common sense to know that evolution is also true. Even the Pope accepted evolution as fact and that was over a decade ago.

[Spyder]

pope also believes in aliens

jus sayin

[classthe_king]

thank you block
you and class can argue whilst slik tries to dispute me


Slik, your whole post becomes null and void when i say Erich von Däniken first had the idea about AAT in a....book

factually this makes the most sense, the bible depicts Gods (many mind you, unlike catholisism where there is A God) descending from the sky, creating man in their image... and yet your more apt to believe that a supernatural being, with essentially magical powers is more realistic than beings from other planets we just havent found yet, creating us with technology... ok...
i believe aliens spliced their dna with primates dna, in order to make an educated species to mine gold for them. hence why our society and ancient societies value gold unbelievably. there is no astounding reason to why we exist, we were a helping hand science project.

and the obvious statement block said above, civilizations all with the same building methods but yet no communications. the great pyramid is the heaviest structure on earth, yet people without cranes,etc made it...YA. structures with edges so fine and even, on stone so hard that diamond had to be used, yet no diamonds have ever been found.

even if you some how try to argue against aliens creating us, how in the hell you gonna come up with how they built those.... not even counting the underwater structures with paved roads and perfect right angles that pre-date man

I know exactly where you're getting this argument from, it was made famous by Zecharia Sitchin but everything you've stated has absolutely zero proof. It's in the same boat as Intelligent Design. It's just a made up theory backed up with no evidence. And come back with some stuff about Planet Nibiru because Nibiru doesn't exist and that's a fact.

[Block]

it's not plausible for me to believe in made up statistics either. Yet you keep posting them (99%). I guess we're at crossroad here. Condescension gets you nowhere in this topic.

As I said, I'm not converting anyone. I couldn't care less about what you believe.

99% is NOT a made up statistic. Obviously it's not exact but I would say it's more likely that 99.99% of scientists would choose evolution. As I posted earlier, 93% of scientists don't even believe in a personal god at all, which means AT LEAST 93% believe in evolution and I would bet that out of the 7% that do a vast majority of those at least have the common sense to know that evolution is also true. Even the Pope accepted evolution as fact and that was over a decade ago.

Not believing in a personal God, and not believing in a creator are not the same thing. Don't try that fallacy shit with me, haha.