Should a Mosque be built near ground zero?

[notsure1]

I'm against it. Why not build it somewhere else? Putting it there is just bound to piss people off.

If this is built then I propose that right next store to it a gay club is built. Let's just see if there views of freedom exist universally or only in relation to their own activities. Personally, I don't think the mosque owners would like the gay club.

[fopower]

I'm against it. Why not build it somewhere else? Putting it there is just bound to piss people off.

If this is built then I propose that right next store to it a gay club is built. Let's just see if there views of freedom exist universally or only in relation to their own activities. Personally, I don't think the mosque owners would like the gay club.

You make a fair point, even though I think you are also forgetting that the community center will be built two blocks away from ground zero.

Funny that you mention a gay club being built next to a mosque though. I've actually seen a strip mall in Toronto that had both a pseudo-mosque and a strip club.
Take that for what you want, I just found it funny.

[Omar Khalid]

I'm against it. Why not build it somewhere else? Putting it there is just bound to piss people off.

If this is built then I propose that right next store to it a gay club is built. Let's just see if there views of freedom exist universally or only in relation to their own activities. Personally, I don't think the mosque owners would like the gay club.

Just
Why do you think building a mosque there pisses people off ?! ( If you think it pisses people off or we're putting a sign to our victory so you believe that Muslims who destroyed the twin towers which we did NOT ) And of course mosque owners wouldn't be pleased if there a gay/strip club next to them. Because it's a holy building to Muslims. Like Christians, They won't be pleased if there are a gay/strip club next to a church, because church is a holy building to them. So it's NOT ONLY Muslims.

[mrjizzbomber]

While the strip club argument was off based... what if there was a 100 million dollar gay community center erected (HA) next to this mosque?

Hmmmm... its an interesting point, maybe? Irrelevant to the discussion, but somewhat interesting.

[FAME]

I'm against it. Why not build it somewhere else? Putting it there is just bound to piss people off.

If this is built then I propose that right next store to it a gay club is built. Let's just see if there views of freedom exist universally or only in relation to their own activities. Personally, I don't think the mosque owners would like the gay club.

they can't build a community center away from the community's people....

[fopower]

I'm against it. Why not build it somewhere else? Putting it there is just bound to piss people off.

If this is built then I propose that right next store to it a gay club is built. Let's just see if there views of freedom exist universally or only in relation to their own activities. Personally, I don't think the mosque owners would like the gay club.

they can't build a community center away from the community's people....

This is pretty much what I've been thinking. Muslims live there, they want somewhere to collectively pray, they aren't building the community center on top of ground zero...I mean what are they gonna say next -you can't build mosques in America?

[mrjizzbomber]

For those spreading intolerance and hate, their actions have consequences:

Man held without bail in NYC cab driver stabbing
By TOM HAYS (AP) – 2 hours ago
NEW YORK — A 21-year-old man is being held without bail on charges he stabbed a New York City cab driver in the throat after asking whether he was Muslim.
Manhattan prosecutors say Michael Enright spoke to the cabbie in Arabic and then said, "Consider this a checkpoint," before attacking him Tuesday night on the Lower East Side.
Enright was arraigned in a Manhattan court Wednesday on charges of attempted murder as a hate crime, assault as a hate crime and weapons possession.
His lawyer, Jason Martin, says Enright was a senior in college at the School of Visual Arts, lives with his parents in suburban Brewster and has done volunteer work overseas, including in Afghanistan.

This is truly a low point in American history.

[psu24]

I don't think the Japanese would have any problem at all putting a church there, so that doesn't help any anti-mosque sentiment.

lol that's a bunch of bulllshit, you know damn well they wouldn't allow it. And yes I will compare our tolerance to other countries, why should we be put on a pedestal, we're all equal as far as i'm concerned and i'm telling you we allow more than you think, the U.S. is probably one of the least strict countries as far as illegals, as far as religion, as far as pretty much anything you want to throw out there in the world. To say that the Japanese would allow us to build a church in Hiroshima next to where we attacked them is highly doubtful. I'm out as you've pretty much heard all I've got to say. Not saying the mosque shouldn't be built in the state of NY just not around Ground Zero.

[MikeNUFC]

@psu24 - How far away does this Islam Community Centre have to be? Is 5 blocks away too close? What about 8 blocks? Is there a line as to where this place can be put up?

It's fucking ridicolous. This Centre contains a restuarant, a swimming pool and a prayer room. Not a fucking terrorist training regime.

There are muslims living in NYC. They need somewhere to pray, correct? These organisers found a place, 2 minutes away from Ground Zero. Remember that, it's not ON Ground Zero at all. The chose the place becuase it was suitable for what they needed, size-wise.


Ordinary muslims did not blow up the twin towers. Brainwashed tewrrorists did. Do not confuse the two. That's the problem people are having here.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

@psu24 - How far away does this Islam Community Centre have to be? Is 5 blocks away too close? What about 8 blocks? Is there a line as to where this place can be put up?

It's fucking ridicolous. This Centre contains a restuarant, a swimming pool and a prayer room. Not a fucking terrorist training regime.

There are muslims living in NYC. They need somewhere to pray, correct? These organisers found a place, 2 minutes away from Ground Zero. Remember that, it's not ON Ground Zero at all. The chose the place becuase it was suitable for what they needed, size-wise.


Ordinary muslims did not blow up the twin towers. Brainwashed tewrrorists did. Do not confuse the two. That's the problem people are having here.

This.

[mrjizzbomber]

I don't think the Japanese would have any problem at all putting a church there, so that doesn't help any anti-mosque sentiment.

lol that's a bunch of bulllshit, you know damn well they wouldn't allow it. And yes I will compare our tolerance to other countries, why should we be put on a pedestal, we're all equal as far as i'm concerned and i'm telling you we allow more than you think, the U.S. is probably one of the least strict countries as far as illegals, as far as religion, as far as pretty much anything you want to throw out there in the world. To say that the Japanese would allow us to build a church in Hiroshima next to where we attacked them is highly doubtful. I'm out as you've pretty much heard all I've got to say. Not saying the mosque shouldn't be built in the state of NY just not around Ground Zero.

Hmmm...

http://www.japaninyourpalm.com/unionchurch.htm

There appears to be a Church in Hiroshima, but I'm not sure if its "next to" where they (we?) dropped the bomb. And, there are plans to build a(nother?) Church at Hiroshima:

http://www.newsbiscuit.com/2010/08/26/a ... hiroshima/

This plan is being protested by Americans, as being insensitive. Can't find much about the Japanese reaction. However, America is SUPPOSED TO BE a 'secular' nation, and I take a TON of offense at America being called a "Christian country".

A striking comparison to this Mosque nonsense:

President Obama has however defended the plans, saying that not all Christians should be blamed for dropping nuclear bombs on Japanese civilians. Some campaigners have however attempted to distance themselves from accusations of religious intolerance.

I actually didn't know any of this, but... I guess its not my point. America strives to be not only a progressive country, but THE progressive country. Look at our Bill of Rights. Separation of Church and State. Principals of freedom and equality. We must practice what we preach, and not use Saudi Arabia as our benchmark.

[AbramIsaac]

I can't believe that the denial of building a mosque has caused this much contreversy.... while the killing of christians in muslim countries every single day doesn't....


Freedom in America, why not freedom in Egypt, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbeksitan, Iran, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia etc...


4 churches got burnt down by malaysian muslims cause the christians used the word ''allah'' which they are stupid enough to know that it means ''god'' in ''arabic''....

So I don't know why all the hate and contreversy for a denial of building a mosque and nothing and no one complaining about the christians dying everyday....

It isn't about that. You want to know why there is controversy? Because we're approaching November, and the fucking politicians are turning into an issue to mobilize Christian voters. That's it.

Why not freedom in all of those other places? Because many of them don't seem to have the fortitude to restrain their own powerlust in the interests of everyone--including people they don't agree with. That is exactly what is happening here in America today: power-hungry politicians and religious leaders trying to bully people they don't agree with into submission--not only eroding their rights, but setting a precedent to erode the rights of all of us.

I'm disgusted when I hear people claim that this is a Christian nation. It certainly should not be, as secularity is the only way to ensure true religious freedom for everyone.

[AbramIsaac]

I am not against the mosque, i was just sayin it doesn't deserve that big of a fuss while bigger issues should be focused on at the moment

and yes America has freedom of religion and I hope every religion get it's freedom there, but there's no denying that the USA is a christian country

Oh, don't get me wrong, I wasn't directing my anger at you, I'm just so fucking disgusted with the way politicians and Fox news are using this debate to mobilize stupid and hate-filled christians.

There are plenty of Christians in America, but Atheism and Agnosticism outnumber the percentages of all other religions in America combined, and I think it's important to note that secularity is not only important to these people, but that it was very important to the framers of the Constitution.

While they had religious beliefs (mainly deists), they realized the importance of not basing our country on Religion, and it makes me sick when these idiots act like Jesus fucking Christ founded the United States.

[WakeUpShow]

The Fact is the people building it aren't doing it to spite the victims of 9/11 BUT many extremists around the world will view it as a victory. I believe it is insensitive to the families of the victims.
Move it 10 blocks down. problem solved.

[mrjizzbomber]

The Fact is the people building it aren't doing it to spite the victims of 9/11 BUT many extremists around the world will view it as a victory. I believe it is insensitive to the families of the victims.
Move it 10 blocks down. problem solved.

yes. perfect... except for the Muslim Americans who live in the area the mosque is currently being built at.

Everyone seems to forget about them