Gay Marches

[dead prez]

Crashband you should respond to his ginormous post since he addressed you as well, loll.

I feel you pretty much covered it and brought some great points to the table. (plus it's exams)

He isn't really arguing any of the points you (or me) bring up. He's an idiot. More or less trying to prove to everyone he's not a homophobe by repeatedly stating it and that he may be right whilst ignoring the argument. One of your early points illustrating how he doesn't want to be seen as a homophobe but is suggesting gay people suppress themselves or change their ways for him hit the nail on the head.

What are your views on people using the word 'gay' as a adjective for something stupid or lame? I think you touched on it in the other thread.

I'm not gonna lie I do it a bunch too but I think that it's like nigga (the pejorative form) meaning that I don't literally think of LGBT people when I use that to describe something lame just like I don't have black people in my mind when I refer to people as nigga (hence MikeNUFC).

[CrashBand]

Hmmmm.. Yes well I do it a bunch also but my flatmates trying to phase it out. I know a few gay people that take offense but I'm yet to come to a conclusion whether they are justified to take offense.

[Fleka]

So, what rights gay people want? And in what way they are discriminated? I need a serious answer.

[AbramIsaac]

Marriage is the big one.

Inequality of marriage keeps them from having the title of marriage, but also things such as tax credits for married people, health insurance coverage, and possibly even adoption, though I'm not sure about that last one. Immigration status is also an issue, as a civil union to a US citizen does not grant citizenship.

It wasn't until very recently that gay soldiers could even serve if they were open with their sexuality. Religious groups also still lobby against and frequently discriminate against the gay community.

[Fleka]

This are my random thoughts about this matter I wrote a few days ago. It was just a train of thoughts.


Gay couple wants a baby, ok, when there will be a way for two dudes to get a baby in a
natural way-let them have one. Let the dude get pregnant in a lab if the other one shoots blanks.
Our society is not yet ready for gay people having kids. That kid would go through hell in school.
Just look how fat kids, kids that wear glasses or any kid that is a bit different get bullyed in school.
The kid with two moms or two dads would get destroyed. And it would be difficult for a kid to grow influenced
by something that probably isn`t in his/hers nature.

There is no law that forbids you to be gay, and that should be enough, for now. Untill the world and society evolve. I think the gays should have the right to get married, but that goes against the religion and aginst the
fucking human nature and evolution. If they get the rights to do whatever they want, where it will end.
Where will we draw the line of whats right and whats wrong? Why wouldn`t pedophiles be next to march? If a 8 year old girl wants to have 45 year old boyfriend, why not? How is that worse and more unnatural than a man fucking another man?

Why wouldn`t people that like to fuck animals have rights? Maybe the animals like it.
If a dude likes a pig, let him stick it up her ass and see if the pig likes it. It`s a free world, everybody has a right to be free and act the way he or she wants to act. It`s as natural as two guys or two chicks having sex.

Maybe some of the stuff I wrote is too extreme, but I just used all of that as an example. The society has set limits and boundaries of what is acceptable. Why would incest be ok then?
Let the people that like to fuck their fmily march and have rights.
Why wouldn`t brother marry a sister, or brother? If they feel like it, than it`s ok.
Like I said, I would let gay couples get married.
Gay people need to be protected from all kinds od discrimination
(Not able to find work, immigration status... all the stuff Abram said).
But the part where they adopt a baby is more delicate.

Like I already said, marches have a purpose to make gay population look like the victims.
There will always be people that will throw a rock or beat up a few gays while they are marching.
Than they go crazy all over the media and we will get to a piont where you will have to do
anything a gay asks you to do or else you get sued for being homophobic.
Human nature is taking things too far. Gays will go from no rights to do-whatever-they-want
in a blink of an eye. Let them adopt, and normal couples will have no chance if they want the same baby
that gay couple wants. Are you giving the baby to that other couple because we`re gay?

[Guess_Who]

There is no reason why 2 gays can't raise a baby. the ideal of family of mother and father and kid is not always possible. I lost my mom at a young age, so somehow i missed the mother figure too soon. And here I am. Now go on and tell me the kids in orphanages wouldn't be better with a couple of gays.
There are many kids who come to the world and were abandoned or abused by their parents. So there are a lot of kids waiting for a family.
gays can adopt here in Spain. We are crazy , aren't we? and is going very well, so I don't know why couldn't work in another countries.
I don't know any personal case , so I don't know if they make fun of then in the school. But what it doesn't kill you make you stronger. Then should we not send to the school the fat or the ugly kids..because poor things they are going to have people mocking them. And no, the kids won't become gays too if you think so, you born gay, not become gay.

Why wouldn`t people that like to fuck animals have rights? Maybe the animals like it.
If a dude likes a pig, let him stick it up her ass and see if the pig likes it. It`s a free world, everybody has a right to be free and act the way he or she wants to act. It`s as natural as two guys or two chicks having sex.

Oh please stop you are going to kill me....because people who fuck animals are abusers. And abusers have no rights because their rights stop when the rights of the others (in these case animals) start. So unless you have the pig telling he enjoyed the sex this won't happens. Sorry...I can't continue...I'm about to cry with the laugh...

[Fleka]

1.Animals love people, dogs hump legs...Who says they don`t like sexy time with humans. (I made myself laugh here)
2. I never said that if a gay couple adopts a baby that baby will be gay. But you can`t say that it wont affect that kids life. If you have gay parents that think that same gender is attractive, they will pass it on the kid whether they want it or not. Gay couple just cant give a child a normal enviroment. If you Guessy somehow ended up in a village in Africa rainforrest after you were born, you would hunt, kill and eat your red meat food that you can`t stand now living in Spain.
3. Your "maybe we should not send fat and ugly kids to school..." is just twisting, I`m not even gonna comment on that.

[Guess_Who]

ok in all serious way I can say this.... and is not much, I remember in the news years ago, a crazy man in a small village in Spain was having sex with the dog. Of course he ended jailed, and the dog was in the news, and everytime someone tried to be close to the dog...the dog ran in the other direction.
Maybe animals wants you to stroke their heads. But they doesn't want to be fucked by you!

Surrealist theme of animals apart.....

of course the kid won't be affected by their gay parents. If you take me as a baby to a African Village I will act like them and eat like them because that's ALL I will see. that's will be all my world. But the kid adopted by gay parents will have contact with other people, straight people too,the rest of the family, the friends.... Aren't the parents of the gays straight? then why the gay is gay? because it's in him to be gay. As I said gay adoption is working very good in Spain.
We live in a crazy world were million of kids with no future wants to be adopted and million of people who wish to be parents can't. And the solution is so damn easy.

[Fleka]

I agree that a gay couple could be great as parents. But it`s not a normal and natural situation. And the rest of the world can be cruel. We went off topic. Gay marches are unnecessary. Go to some field or a stadium, have you pride-march-show-thing and leave others be. What if we, Eminem fans blocked the the streets because we love Eminem?

Oh, you all talk about animal fucking, and I said I went a bit extreme. But what about pedophiles? Why wouldn`tthey march, get married and have kids?

[Guess_Who]

3)what she meant by that is like when you said fat and ugly kids get bullied at school, and kids of gay parents will suffer the same abuse so sending them to school like that would be so hard on them, so why send ugly and fat kids to school? isn't it the same logic? they will get bullied, why send them?

Yeah of course thats what I meant, I thought It was clear. It's school, the fat kid will be bullied, the ugly kid too, the nerd....but we send them to school. Will people bullied the adopted kid by 2 gays too? probably yes.

Untill we see that as something normal. It will happen, but it's something we gotta go through. Black people went through a lot of shit too. We can't protect our kids of everything. They will be hurt one reason or another.
Lello the bible would be another great debate.


@Fleka, you fail at comparing the gays with abusers once and once again.
About the Eminem fans....we are not a discriminated group claiming for our rights...So if you like Eminem maybe you are lucky enough to watch him in concert. But I will give you something, I agree with you the guys shouldn't stop traffic and all that to do their parade. But tell me how many ridiculous local parties do that?? and people don't complain. Here we have now some parties and one part of the city is crazy right now but noone is complaining. But soon will be the gay parade in Madrid and people will complain.

But this is a neverend debate , we are in a loop and we will never agree. Let's see the result of the poll at the end of the week. So we can have a winner.

[Alex2012]

inb4someonecomingout

[Fleka]

You are missing my point. Like I said, what if a 8 year old girl is in love with a 45 year old man and she wants to have sex with him? And than pedophiles march and ask for their rights. They can say "if kids can work, they can also pick their sexual partners". If the kid likes it than it`s ok, nobody is getting hurt. And if you give gays their right to adopt, how can you say no to pedophiles? Pedophilia, just like being gay is wrong, not natural.
That`s what I`m saying, the line has to be drawn somwhere.

[Guess_Who]

Oh there is a very fine line between natural and not natural.

For many scientists marital fidelity will be unnatural. Because humans has to perpetuate the specie. And the best way is having as many relations as you can with so many people as you can. As the animals we are. Killing the idea of perfect family.
http://www.sciencenetworks.org/1535/mon ... t-natural/

As Lello said an 8 years old won't be ready to know what she wants. And her body is not ready for relations. So she can be traumatized forever. So if they claim to be in love, them let her grow up until her brain is ready to decide (which we consider to be an adult) Them we can have something like this too:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jj9Me8VtvCc/T ... 68x554.jpg

As Lana said, one for the money, 2 for the show...but they are adults. No problem.

[Fleka]

Male body is not meant for reciving a cock. Sex has a purpose, perpetuate the specie. Men can`t get pregnant. Unnatural.
And I`m not comparing pedophilia, zoophilia to homosexuality. I`m just saying that, if gays march around asking for rights, and homosexulity is not normal and natural, why wouldn`t other not-normal and natural groups of people do the same.
UNDERSTAND WHAT I`M SAYING ALLREADY.

[Guess_Who]

Male body is not meant for reciving a cock. Sex has a purpose, perpetuate the specie.

Then keep in mind when you are having sex that only one hole is correct for the perpetuation of the species. Don't use the others.

UNDERSTAND WHAT I`M SAYING TOO??