God doesn't exist

[DrunkenDeath]

There is a God that made everything.

i heard that satin made crystal meth

[ra1n]

There is a God that made everything.

ok to all these people who doesnt believe in god,please never ever say again this expression:
"Oh my god" or "oh godddd" lol i hear it alot even from people who doesnt believe in god
OMG

OH MY GOD!

It's a cultural saying; a figure of speech. nothing more.

God™ does not belong to you and your faith.

Your God doesn`t seem to be offended so i`m pretty sure you shouldn`t be.

[Le Tunisien]

There is a God that made everything.

ok to all these people who doesnt believe in god,please never ever say again this expression:
"Oh my god" or "oh godddd" lol i hear it alot even from people who doesnt believe in god
OMG

OH MY GOD!

It's a cultural saying; a figure of speech. nothing more.

God™ does not belong to you and your faith.

Your God doesn`t seem to be offended so i`m pretty sure you shouldn`t be.

you contradict youself if you say oh my god when you dont really believe in god oops

[ra1n]

you contradict youself if you say oh my god when you dont really believe in god oops

I dont know whether you're serious or joking.

Where is the contradiction? I don't see it.

maybe you should google Figure of speech. Genius.

[EminemBase]

and i know beyond for a reasonable doubt that there is a god for this world,otherwise it would be possible for it run like it does or be created this way,so god MUST exist

do you only believe in something onlyyyy if u see it?
do you fucking see the air that you breathe?no
but im pretty damn sure you believe that air exist

You're a fool of death defying odds. NO you DO NOT know beyond a reasonable doubt that there is a god. If you or anybody did then you would have proof that proves it beyond a reasonable doubt. And if that were the case we wouldn't be having this debate right now.

Personal conviction and blind faith are proof of nothing. Zero, ziltch, got it? Good. I could think beyond a reasonable doubt that I'm absolutely hilarious but that doesn't make it a fact.

That air analogy is total babble too. No you don't see air but we have laws of mathematics and physics that define air. We can capture air and measure it. We can monitor a lung and watch it fill up with and exhale oxygen, live... Well, we do. There's so many ways to prove air.

Where as god, any god, is an imagined proposition. A piece of wishful thinking used as a psychological crutch for those who cannot accept nothing happens when they die. You want to see your old relatives and loved ones. Well, good for you, not gonna happen though.

Also saying the world couldn't run this way so god MUST exist is fucking stupid. That makes no sense. It's a meaningless, empty, desperate statement. That's what people used to say about life, god must exist or how else could such complex life exist. There must be a creator. Then came Darwin and we now know for a fact that we evolved. Get it... Fact... Observable, provable, testable...

Oh, you're not too familiar with this kind of thing... Let me try explain it more on your terms... Erm... Okay Okay. LIFE BE SIMPLE, TIME BE LONG, GENE GO CHANGEY CHANGE, NATURE SELECT BEST CHANGEY, WE EVOLVE OVER TIME... SEE NO MAGIC MAN!

Also, I don't know why you're giving props to BILI for his "oh you haven't seem $1 Million so how do you know that exists" defense, I've already answered that. For the economy to run like it does, for the amount of businesses... Even that I've seen with my own two eyes to run as they do, it'd be impossible for AT LEAST that amount NOT to exist. So I know for a fact it does. I also know for a fact currency exists, so there is no reason to doubt it. In fact to doubt it would be delusion.

Where as god is a total fairytale, a total piece of fiction. There isn't ONE reason to believe in any god and zero proof. To believe in god, is a delusion.

ok to all these people who doesnt believe in god,please never ever say again this expression:
"Oh my god" or "oh godddd" lol i hear it alot even from people who doesnt believe in god
OMG

Again, really really desperate and silly.

Unfortunately, being brought up in a World that has been dominated by your utter nonsense thus far, this type of language... These little nip-bits of terminology have been permanently soiled, cemented and plastered into my brain. They're just meaningless phrases, not proof of anything.

These are just words, it matters not which words you're using but the meaning you convey. I could just as easily say "Oh my fuck" except in modern day society it would sound a bit extreme so I replace fuck with "god" as it's natural to me, is equally as empty but gets the same generic meaning out.

But since you don't trust Science. You seem not to care about the fact god has no scientific proof and think he / she / it... Doesn't need any. You deny Science... Why don't you try living without Science. If you're so confident god exists and god is watching / looking after you, why go to the doctors? Next time you get sick, just pray. Don't use a computer either, if it weren't for Science you wouldn't even be having this debate in this nature.

Actually that's a challenge not just to you but every believer here. If you believe in a personal god which watches you, protects you and means for everything to happen - stop using Science-based medical services. If you break your leg, god meant for that to happen in your view, it's part of god's plan. So who are you to mess with it? How dare you fuck with god's plans.

If you think Science is wrong, don't drive to the shop, let god transport you. Better yet, don't eat, Science is wrong after all so why trust biology. Why does god even request you eat, why make bodies that constantly need refilling and refuelling.

Why make human bodies with such flaws. Do you turds even know anything about Science. You think a designer designed this World lmfao. Are you even aware of the gigantic flaws in every vessel of every living creature. Flaws that would only make sense if occurred through natural progression as they were. This omniscient, genius of a designer is so grand yet he makes our solar system with 11 dud planets? Not much of a designer. Anyway, answer my challenge. Hypocrites.

[Arabian Shady]

First things first, I would like to thank you for talking about 1 God, seeing that Muslims, Christians and Jews DO believe in 1 god only (Not getting into details).It makes it relatively easier to explain the existence of ONE God ,lol

I honestly have no idea what type of atheist you are, I mean are you one whose parents were religious but YOU aren’t “OR”, you AND your family do not follow a religion I don’t know and don’t care. You seem like the type of person who uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; whatever concept or qualities of God you may have learnt from word or mouth or from a religion you used to follow, regardless these may not seem to be logical to you. You also seem to show no respect for other peoples belief’s seeing that YOU took charge of the argument and seem intent on tryin to prove them otherwise.

I see you base your arguments around claims by science, being a science student myself I can assure you most of the analogy/references you have given us during the “debate” are only CLAIMS, and these claims have not been backed by stone cold facts; hence I consider your argument’s as NULL AND VOID.

You seem to enjoy asking a lot of questions, I’ve met a couple people like you, who like asking ODD questions and confuse the mind ordinary people. Believe me when I say this, I’m not a scholar or anything but I do think your “logic” can be countered with MY LOGIC.

Here’s a question for you then... "What is the definition of God?" I mean for you to sit there and say there is no God, you should know what the meaning of God is.

It’s like if I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for you to sit there and say, ‘it is not a pen’, you should know what is the definition of a pen is, if you does not know, nor are able to recognize or identify the object I am holding in my hand. Then for you to say this is not a pen, you should at least know what the definition of a pen is. Hence when you say ‘there is no God’, you should at least know the concept/meaning of God.

I shall state all my references and Facts from the Quran/Koran since that is the ONLY book I am somewhat familiar with. Now the Quran (which was revealed to Muslims 1400 years ago) predicted that Non-Muslims would ask this question “Who is God?/if I can’t see him, why should I worship HIM??”, you know? Those types of questions.

The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur’an:

"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."

Theology means study of God and to Muslims this four line definition of Almighty God serves as the touchstone of the study of God. Any candidate to divinity must be subjected to this ‘acid test’ ie he should satisfy the underlined characteristics of GOD. Since the attributes of Allah (bolded & Underlined) given in this chapter are unique, false gods and pretenders to divinity can be easily dismissed using these verses. With the FACT that I have provided, NO HUMAN OR SUPERNATURAL (Zeus or whoever) figure can come into mind, what I mean is GOD does not have to take human form to tell us what is good or bad for us…he does what any Creator/Manufacturer would do…he creates an Instruction manual,

Suppose I manufacture a video cassette recorder (VCR). Do I have to become a VCR to know what is good or what is bad for the VCR? What do I do? I write an instruction manual:Which would logically tell me "In order to watch a video cassette, insert the cassette and press the play button. In order to stop, press the stop button. If you want to fast forward press the FF button. Do not drop it from a height or it will get damaged. Do not immerse it in water or it will get spoilt”. Stuff like that. I write an instruction manual that lists the various do’s and don’ts for the machine.

The point of tellin you this?

Holy Qur’an is the instruction manual for the human beings

Allah (God) need not take human form to know what is good or bad for the human being. He chooses to reveal the instruction manual. The last and final instruction manual of the human beings is the Glorious Qur’an. The ‘dos’ and ‘don’ts’ for human beings are mentioned in the Qur’an.

If you allow me to compare human beings with machines, I would say humans are more complicated than the most complex machines in the world. Even the most advanced computers, which are extremely complex, are pale in comparison to the myriad physical, psychological, genetic and social factors that affect individual and collective human life.

The more advanced the machine, greater is the need for its instruction manual. By the same logic, don’t human beings require an instruction manual by which to govern their own lives?
I have now argued about two points, who is God and the FACT that God is not an old man in the clouds looking at us nor is he a shitty Zeus or whatever.


BUT, if this evidence is not sufficient, here is a clip that proves the involvement of God in the creation of the universe (something that YOU deny), Kindly note the references by prominent Physicists and Mathematicians who share the same views.




i can present similar proof of the involvement of God in areas of science concerning Astronomy, Physics, Geography, Geology, Medicine, General Science to name a few.

YOUR TURN

[Elision]

First things first, I would like to thank you for talking about 1 God, seeing that Muslims, Christians and Jews DO believe in 1 god only (Not getting into details).It makes it relatively easier to explain the existence of ONE God ,lol

I honestly have no idea what type of atheist you are, I mean are you one whose parents were religious but YOU aren’t “OR”, you AND your family do not follow a religion I don’t know and don’t care. You seem like the type of person who uses his intellect to deny the existence of God; whatever concept or qualities of God you may have learnt from word or mouth or from a religion you used to follow, regardless these may not seem to be logical to you. You also seem to show no respect for other peoples belief’s seeing that YOU took charge of the argument and seem intent on tryin to prove them otherwise.

I see you base your arguments around claims by science, being a science student myself I can assure you most of the analogy/references you have given us during the “debate” are only CLAIMS, and these claims have not been backed by stone cold facts; hence I consider your argument’s as NULL AND VOID.

You seem to enjoy asking a lot of questions, I’ve met a couple people like you, who like asking ODD questions and confuse the mind ordinary people. Believe me when I say this, I’m not a scholar or anything but I do think your “logic” can be countered with MY LOGIC.

Here’s a question for you then... "What is the definition of God?" I mean for you to sit there and say there is no God, you should know what the meaning of God is.

It’s like if I hold a book and say that ‘this is a pen’, for you to sit there and say, ‘it is not a pen’, you should know what is the definition of a pen is, if you does not know, nor are able to recognize or identify the object I am holding in my hand. Then for you to say this is not a pen, you should at least know what the definition of a pen is. Hence when you say ‘there is no God’, you should at least know the concept/meaning of God.

I shall state all my references and Facts from the Quran/Koran since that is the ONLY book I am somewhat familiar with. Now the Quran (which was revealed to Muslims 1400 years ago) predicted that Non-Muslims would ask this question “Who is God?/if I can’t see him, why should I worship HIM??”, you know? Those types of questions.

The most concise definition of God in Islam is given in the four verses of Surah Ikhlas which is Chapter 112 of the Qur’an:

"Say: He is Allah,
The One and Only.
"Allah, the Eternal, Absolute.
"He begets not, nor is He begotten.
And there is none like unto Him."

Theology means study of God and to Muslims this four line definition of Almighty God serves as the touchstone of the study of God. Any candidate to divinity must be subjected to this ‘acid test’ ie he should satisfy the underlined characteristics of GOD. Since the attributes of Allah (bolded & Underlined) given in this chapter are unique, false gods and pretenders to divinity can be easily dismissed using these verses. With the FACT that I have provided, NO HUMAN OR SUPERNATURAL (Zeus or whoever) figure can come into mind, what I mean is GOD does not have to take human form to tell us what is good or bad for us…he does what any Creator/Manufacturer would do…he creates an Instruction manual,

Suppose I manufacture a video cassette recorder (VCR). Do I have to become a VCR to know what is good or what is bad for the VCR? What do I do? I write an instruction manual:Which would logically tell me "In order to watch a video cassette, insert the cassette and press the play button. In order to stop, press the stop button. If you want to fast forward press the FF button. Do not drop it from a height or it will get damaged. Do not immerse it in water or it will get spoilt”. Stuff like that. I write an instruction manual that lists the various do’s and don’ts for the machine.

The point of tellin you this?

Holy Qur’an is the instruction manual for the human beings

Allah (God) need not take human form to know what is good or bad for the human being. He chooses to reveal the instruction manual. The last and final instruction manual of the human beings is the Glorious Qur’an. The ‘dos’ and ‘don’ts’ for human beings are mentioned in the Qur’an.

If you allow me to compare human beings with machines, I would say humans are more complicated than the most complex machines in the world. Even the most advanced computers, which are extremely complex, are pale in comparison to the myriad physical, psychological, genetic and social factors that affect individual and collective human life.

The more advanced the machine, greater is the need for its instruction manual. By the same logic, don’t human beings require an instruction manual by which to govern their own lives?
I have now argued about two points, who is God and the FACT that God is not an old man in the clouds looking at us nor is he a shitty Zeus or whatever.


BUT, if this evidence is not sufficient, here is a clip that proves the involvement of God in the creation of the universe (something that YOU deny), Kindly note the references by prominent Physicists and Mathematicians who share the same views.




i can present similar proof of the involvement of God in areas of science concerning Astronomy, Physics, Geography, Geology, Medicine, General Science to name a few.

YOUR TURN

Islam/Muslims make me sick to my stomach... What is it that you're teaching your children in schools?

[EminemBase]

So basically we all have our own views, beliefs and opinions. Just cause some one thinks differently to you doesn't mean they are wrong. Respect other peoples opinions and don't be narrow minded. The world will seem much more open to you.


Thank you Arabian Shady! *high five*

No if the evidence proves you're wrong. You're wrong.

Gravity isn't a matter of opinion, if you think it is - I invite you to go jump off a roof and see what happens. Similarly Evolution is not a matter of opinion, it's a fact.

Evolution has disproved every Holy Book's version of how man was created. And there is zero proof of any god and never has been. It's also illogical by nature.

God isn't an opinion, it's a delusion. Fiction.

If I told you I believed in Santa, for real, would you 'respect my opinion'. Doubt it, you'd probably just say I was wrong. It's not arrogant to treat ridiculous ideas as ridiculous ideas. And god is a ridiculous idea so I'll treat it, as a ridiculous idea.

[gutawafang]

Arabian Shady saves the day everyday when it comes to Religion debates. I love you man.

[EminemBase]

Dude I don't believe in God, but am not narrow minded enough to completely rule out the idea or say that all religions that believe in God are 100% wrong for doing so! Every individual has their own reasons of believing in what they do and if that's what they want to do, fine. You're basically saying that religions are a ridiculous idea or concept.

And who are you to say that there is zero proof? How do you know there is NO proof what so ever?

Oh and the Santa comment, would you tell a little kid 'Santa doesn't exist', just because you think he doesn't exist?

Okay maybe the whole God made world from a scratch thing is a bit over the top, but I don't think you're right to say that everyone is wrong.

Okay first, don't use terms if you are ignorant enough not to understand them. It's not narrow-minded to say something that is illogical and has no proof does not exist. That's totally 100% logical. Done.

Yes, people can choose to believe in babble if they like but don't you dare say I have to accept their personal convictions as proof of ANYTHING. Yes I AM saying that all religions are not only ridiculous, they're also lying, destructive, immoral, evil, disgusting organizations.

I have as much right to say they're wrong as they do to say they're right.

Being open-minded doesn't mean accepting any fucking view proposed. That's called insanity. You have a right to and should use your right of INTELLIGENCE to cypher through nonsense.

Would you say the idea of fairies deserves equal consideration and that you're narrow-minded for saying there are no fairies? Of course not. If you do, I think you should be in a padded room. God is a ridiculous idea. Not just ridiculous but false and destructive. And sick.

Nobody can say there are 100% no anything but we're all a-fairiests by nature.

If I said to you I can fly and you asked me to prove it to you. Would you be satisfied if I said no, you can't see me fly and I have no proof that I can. However, I BELIEVE that I can. Would you then consider it likely or at all possible that I could actually fly? I would hope not.

Stop defending bullshit. Start thinking.

[Raquel]

Rana, as you told me by msn, this will close so many mouths. You got some great points. FACTS that is what people need. You're just

Islam/Muslims make me sick to my stomach... What is it that you're teaching your children in schools?

WTF!?

YOU have just made me sick to my stomach...
Can't you RESPECT?!

[Arabian Shady]

@ Nollie: I just smiled when I read that. I can bet money that our communities are a thousand times well ofF compared to yours. Shit we might not have all the money or all thetechnological advancments but we are still the biggest religion and the fatest growing one as well. So I guess it's just mote ppl to hate-for you I mean
@Pink: *high five lol
@eminembase: still arguing without providing facts...
@gutafawang: thatnk you for the nice compliment brother..
@Raquel: thanks alot babe

[Drama Setter]

@ Nollie: I just smiled when I read that. I can bet money that our communities are a thousand times well ofF compared to yours. Shit we might not have all the money or all thetechnological advancments but we are still the biggest religion and the fatest growing one as well. So I guess it's just mote ppl to hate-for you I mean
@Pink: *high five lol
@eminembase: still arguing without providing facts...
@gutafawang: thatnk you for the nice compliment brother..
@Raquel: thanks alot babe

Man you did what i was gonna do , MAJOR PROPS

REAL ISLAM IS THE BEST RELIGION , REAL

[EminemBase]

^ All religions are delusional crackpot organizations.

Bronze-age, totalitarian, wannabe-regimes of babble.

[Arabian Shady]

Holy fuck that dude's geetib ethered from all sides!!!
@pink: *high 5 !!!