God doesn't exist

[EminemBase]

Up until then I respected your views and tried to understand why you would think so, but...

The term 'narrow minded' straight from the dictionary is 'having a biased or illiberal viewpoint'. So you saying '..I AM saying that all religions are not only ridiculous, they're also lying, destructive, immoral, evil, disgusting organizations...' is biased based on fact that you don't believe in God. Okay those are just the facts.

To begin, it's hilarious you fail to see how much ignorance, arrogance and irony your post reeks of. Let me just pop on my nose-peg. Okay...

Firstly, narrow-minded can be defined, loosely - As bigotry. I took the loosest definition to be apparent since we're speaking on a very loose, broad scale.

So, saying that there is no god when there is not one single scrap of evidence for any god, when the idea itself defies logic is NOT bigotry. This view is not informed by my personal conviction. You fail to see the irony in your defense of religion, failing to see RELIGION IS BIGOTRY.

It is the religious who are narrow-minded. They are the ones who say "we have no proof of god but I believe there is one because of faith and you should respect that". This is a view informed by nothing other than personal conviction, blind faith. This is bigotry, not the apposing view.

As for me thinking all religions are destructive, lying etc. You say these views are biased, only because I do not believe in god. No, you are wrong. My belief in god in this instance doesn't matter. I don't care if there's a god or not, organized religions are still all of these things. And it's humans that make them so, not any given imaginary god.

Also you say 'no proof'? Are you going to sit there and type that with a straight face. Are you just purposely basking in utter ignorance of history to provoke me. Do you enjoy being uninformed. You don't have to look far to see proof of religion being destructive. It's the biggest sole causer of death and misery, PERIOD. Look at the war in Iraq right now. It's an illegal war but who are they fighting? Parties of god. You take out religion you delete the Holocaust, hundreds of genocide slaughters that have happened throughout history. And you have the audacity, the cheek, the ignorance, the balls to sit there and tell me we have no proof of religion's inherent evil.

We know why this is so too. Religion promotes this type of thinking. You can find endorsements of rape, incest, slavery, putrid, vile horrid violence in every holy book. And you're defending this nonsense. I defend anybody's right to believe it but when you then start telling me I have to respect and that nobody is allowed to challenge it, then I get pissed off. I will not accept bigotry and I will fight any supporter (such as you) of it.

Saying all those things you have no proof over shows that you are arrogant, stuck up in his own ass, bitch who thinks world revolves around him. See you are a prime example of 'narrow mind'. You have no concrete proof that God does or doesn't exist. Yet you say God doesn't exist. In a way your even contradicting to your self.

Again, hilarious irony.

So the people who say, there almost certainly is no god when there is no proof of any god are the arrogant ones? L-M-F-A-O.

Well allow me to appose you. I say the people who make an outrageous, huge claim, provide no proof for it then say "THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE WE BELIEVE IT, WE DON'T NEED TO PROVE IT AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE WRONG AND BLASPHEMOUS" are the fucking arrogant ones. People who make absurd claims and provide no proof and say they do not need to. Are arrogant. Not those who take the logical, rational, fair standpoint of "There is no reason to believe it, therefore, we don't".

Religion is arrogant by it's very nature. Such an obvious creation of human minds it's not even funny.

So all of religion's core beliefs are that there was a creator, who created this entire cosmos... For us. Just for humans. All animals are here for our amusement. We are the sole purpose of everything. Their view is that this all-knowing, all-powerful, genius creator created these billions of lightyears of space, this never-ending, never-expanding universe full of wonder and beauty and grandure, these millions of stars, all of this JUST FOR US.

I think you'll find this is the view which deserves the title of thinking the World revolves around you. You arrogant, ignorant bitch. So don't you dare say I support this nonsensical view, my view totally apposes this fucking babble.

You then go on to say 'I' have no proof of god existing or not existing. Another desperate use of language to evade the real problem. The burden of proof, fellow human, is NOT on me, neither is it on any atheist who denies the totally insane claims of religion. The burden of proof is on those who make the fucking claim. It's up to religious people to prove there is a god, not people like me to prove there isn't.

There are millions of things we cannot 'disprove' this does not put the probability of existence at 50% nor does it make them at all likely. Here, lets try your argument:

"Hey Dave, I can fly"

"Really? Prove it!"

"Prove that I can't"

I suppose you think THAT is logical and fair. That's the proper way to treat that claim isit? I suppose you would think not. So why do you make that special exception in the case of religion.

Now, you comparing 'fairies' and 'Santa', which are made up for little kids (and no one is denying that), to something completely on other level is making me question your intelligence.

Quite frankly I find it very insulting that that you think am defending 'bullshit' and that am ignorant. I don't think being open minded and looking from all views is ignorance. And most certainly don't think that defending my point is ignorant or 'bullshit' at all.

Next, you try and dismiss the comparison between Santa and Fairies to God simply because they're 'made up for little kids'. What a lame fucking cop-out.

All of these claims are illogical, fictional (by definition) claims that have never been proven. So no, god does not deserve any more respect than any of them, does not deserve any more consideration and does not deserve a get out of jail free card when it comes to debate.

Being open-minded means being open to the facts. Considering all the available evidence, NOT believing everything you hear, respecting ignorance and nonsense or defending blind faith.

If you want to defend the twisted views of religion go ahead, but don't tell me I can't attack it.

If you seriously respect the idea of a celestial dictator who watches you 24/7, punishes you for thinking (thought crime) go ahead and respect it. If you like this want people have to be a slave. This god is so powerful, grand and above everything yet he has a superiority-complex, he has ego issues. His sole concern is that you believe in him?. He created life on this little spec of dust and made every other planet in this solar system dead-wood. He does this so we can be born into uncontrollable sin which we had no hand in that we must constantly apologize for.

We must remain grovelling, all-accepting slaves that consider ourselves nothing more than pathetic little creations under our master. We must spend our entire time here thanking this dictator simply for creating us and if we don't do this he will send us to burn for all eternity.

This god is concerned primarily about our sexual activities?. This god is perfect and made us perfectly yet every living creature has inherent flaws and we're so perfect yet he wants us to circumcise young boys and girls. Hack away at his beautiful creations. This is the stuff of human minds.

You like the idea of your future children (if you have any) being taught totalitarianism? Well, I pitty you. I pitty those who have been brainwashed with it, children who have had the fear of hell-fire drummed into them. This evil shit, hammered into their innocent heads. But I perhaps pitty more a fellow non-believer who defends this sick crap. Shame on you.

[EminemBase]

^ Lame evasion.

[EminemBase]

^ Haha. Utter babble. I think you'll find this is you. You are the one not even reading the debate.

You are the one who fails to see that making a claim with no proof and saying I MUST respect it and consider it, is ignorant bigotry.

You fail to see that thinking this entire cosmos was created for the sole purpose of our tiny little lives, is the petty-minded, self-centered view. I pitty your lack of understanding.

[Arabian Shady]

^lmao

You CLAIM to be a person who speaks logic and UNDERSTANDS science, here a little maths for you then. you must know something called the theory of probability..correct?? well...

If you have two options, out of which one is right, and one is wrong, the chances that you will chose the right one is half, i.e. one out of the two will be correct. You have 50% chances of being correct.

Similarly if you toss a coin the chances that your guess will be correct is 50% (1 out of 2) i.e. 1/2. If you toss a coin the second time, the chances that you will be correct in the second toss is again 50% i.e. half. But the chances that you will be correct in both the tosses is half multiplied by half (1/2 x 1/2) which is equal to 1/4 i.e. 50% "of: 50% which is equal to 25%. If you toss a coin the third time, chances that you will be correct all three times is (1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2) that is 1/8 or 50% "of" 50% "of" 50% that is 12½%.

A dice has got six sides. If you throw a dice and guess any number between 1 to 6, the chances that your guess will be correct is 1/6. If you throw the dice the second time, the chances that your guess will be correct in both the throws is (1/6 x 1/6) which is equal to 1/36. If you throw the dice the third time, the chances that all your three guesses are correct is (1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6) is equal to 1/216 that is less than 0.5 %.

This is a summary of PROBABILITY, now why i've wasted my time tryin to explain this you...heres the reason..

Let us apply this theory of probability to the Qur’an, and assume that a person has guessed all the information that is mentioned in the Qur’an which was unknown at that time. Let us discuss the probability of all the guesses being simultaneously correct.

At the time when the Qur’an was revealed, people thought the world was flat, there are several other options for the shape of the earth. It could be triangular, it could be quadrangular, pentagonal, hexagonal, heptagonal, octagonal, spherical, etc. Lets assume there are about 30 different options for the shape of the earth. The Qur’an rightly says it is spherical, if it was a guess the chances of the guess being correct is 1/30.

The light of the moon can be its own light or a reflected light. The Qur’an rightly says it is a reflected light. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/2 and the probability that both the guesses i.e the earth is spherical and the light of the moon is reflected light is 1/30 x 1/2 = 1/60.

Further, the Qur’an also mentions every living thing is made of water. Every living thing can be made up of either wood, stone, copper, aluminum, steel, silver, gold, oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, oil, water, cement, concrete, etc. The options are say about 10,000. The Qur’an rightly says that everything is made up of water. If it is a guess, the chances that it will be correct is 1/10,000 and the probability of all the three guesses i.e. the earth is spherical, light of moon is reflected light and everything is created from water being correct is 1/30 x 1/2 x 1/10,000 = 1/60,000 which is equal to about .0017%.



The Qur’an speaks about hundreds of things that were not known to men at the time of its revelation. Only in three options the result is .0017%. I leave it upto you, to work out the probability if all the hundreds of the unknown facts were guesses, the chances of all of them being correct guesses simultaneously and there being not a single wrong guess. It is beyond human capacity to make all correct guesses without a single mistake, which itself is sufficient to prove to a logical person that the origin of the Qur’an is Divine.


Go ahead try me....

[EminemBase]

^lmao

You CLAIM to be a person who speaks logic and UNDERSTANDS science

I can stop your entire evasion of real debate and specific summary of specific claims of one holy book, in this case, the Q'uran right here.

No, I claim to agree with things of which we know are true adamant to the laws of the Universe.

The probability of a divine creator, creating us and everything in it, is as close to zero as we need to determine.

[EminemBase]

No I never said you MUST do this or that. In fact it's you who fails to see past your self. You're contradicting your self (a lot) and you can't even see that.

No I am not contradicting myself at all.

There is a claim, which says there is a god. This claim says god created us and everything in it.

So lets not complicate this claim.

This claim requires proof. There has never been any testable, observable or measurable proof for this claim, therefore it is assumed false. Done.

There is no contradictions in that view. This is a view informed by logic.

Religion however, stinks of contradictions, bigotry and ignorance from every possible angle.

[Arabian Shady]

^lmao

You CLAIM to be a person who speaks logic and UNDERSTANDS science

I can stop your entire evasion of real debate and specific summary of specific claims of one holy book, in this case, the Q'uran right here.

No, I claim to agree with things of which we know are true adamant to the laws of the Universe.

The probability of a divine creator, creating us and everything in it, is as close to zero as we need to determine.

For you perhaps, my source may not be what your lookin for, but I speak on basis of something that can be referenced, you have written 7 pages of non sense.
I suggest you stop replyin if you want to say the same things over and over again, i think we've listened to what you have to say on the given topic...

[ra1n]

@ Arabian Shady

How would you define god? You claim he exists, but leave the burden of proof to atheists? Thats not how it works.

Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.

You define god first, then I'll tell you if I believe it or not.

[EminemBase]

For you perhaps, my source may not be what your lookin for, but I speak on basis of something that can be referenced, you have written 7 pages of non sense.
I suggest you stop replyin if you want to say the same things over and over again, i think we've listened to what you have to say on the given topic...

Saying I have written seven pages of nonsense and giving no justification for the claim is cowardly nonsense in itself. I forgive you though, you're religious.

You base your life on a book of nonsense, I think I've listened to enough of your poor linguistic tricks used for evasion of real debate. Enough for a lifetime.

If you wish to believe in things with no evidence and think that's a respectable thing. That's up to you. But I will not respect that or accept you telling me I must respect that.

[Sophie]

Islam/Muslims make me sick to my stomach... What is it that you're teaching your children in schools?

You racist fucking prick. Be careful what you say.

[ra1n]

Islam/Muslims make me sick to my stomach... What is it that you're teaching your children in schools?

You racist fucking prick. Be careful what you say.

lmao, what does his post have to do with race?

[Sophie]

Islam/Muslims make me sick to my stomach... What is it that you're teaching your children in schools?

You racist fucking prick. Be careful what you say.

lmao, what does his post have to do with race?

I'm sorry? Can you not read? Saying that MUSLIMS or islam make him sick to his stomach, you don't think that has anything to do with race? Read it again.

[Arabian Shady]

@ sophie: its okay babe...chilll

Hmm i think i answered that...
The defination of God for me is quite clear and simple

He has to be ONE, there cannot be another like him.i cant have a god for rain,food,wealth, that means if i offend Rain god then i cant have rain?? wtf?!

He has to be eternal and absolute: My God cannot die, he cannot suffer from ailments,diseases,headaches,family problems, imgaine folowing a God who himself gets sick... Are we supposed to look after him ?? Isnt he who's supposed to be lookin after us..

HE cannot be born...If he was born of some 1 why not worship the person/being who raised him...doesnt that make sense??

Also My god should be incomparable...i mean the moment i say/think God..i should not think of ANYTHING,it shud not possible to conjure up a mental picture of the One True God ,i mean imagine runin into someone on the streets and suddenly thinkin "Holy fuck...he looks like GOD!!!"

These are a jest of the traits a GOD should have..like all these traits once satisfied will make god UNIQUE, there will be NO 1 like him anywhere...EVER.

what i'm tryin to say is that..okay heres an example...Neil Armstrong. Neil Armstrong is an astronaut. The attribute of being an astronaut possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not unique to Neil Armstrong alone. So when one asks, who is an astronaut? The answer is, there are hundreds of people in the world who are astronauts. Neil Armstrong is an American. The attribute of being American possessed by Neil Armstrong is correct but not sufficient to identify him. So when one asks, who is an American? The answer is, there are millions of people who are American. To identify the person uniquely we must look for a unique attribute possessed by none except that person. For example, Neil Armstrong was the first human to set foot on the moon. So when one asks, who was the first man to set foot on the moon, the answer is only one, i.e. Neil Armstrong. Similarly the attribute of Almighty God should be unique.
thats all..

[ra1n]

I'm sorry? Can you not read? Saying that MUSLIMS or islam make him sick to his stomach, you don't think that has anything to do with race? Read it again.

sorry but Muslim refers to religion not race.

Yes, I can read fine.

[EminemBase]

lmao, what does his post have to do with race?

I'm sorry? Can you not read? Saying that MUSLIMS or islam make him sick to his stomach, you don't think that has anything to do with race? Read it again.

^ No I think Nollie said Muslims/Islam make him sick to his stomach, then said "what is it that you're teaching your children in schools".

This is quite obviously a remark of detriment against the teachings of their specific religion, nothing to do with the colour of their skin.