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The Existance of God

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The Existance of God

Postby Logann » Mar 20th, '06, 14:10

Hmmm.. Nothing better to talk about.

To get the ball rolling- Here are a few reasons I do not believe in god.

I'm an atheist, and here's my reasons.

First of all, I don't like the idea of some all powerful being controlling our every movement. It is just not possible, even for someone as infinitley powerful as a "God." I capatilize it because I show respect, even though I don't believe.

Second, if we were meant to follow the Bible fully and without question (or so I hear people say) then half of the world would be killed for working on Sunday. Yeah, you aren't supposed to work on a Sunday, because its the "Sabbath."

Third, I say this most strongly. No mention of Dinosaurs ANYWHERE in the Bible. Or at least the Christian one, because I haven't looked at any other religions. We already know Dinosaurs existed, because we found their bones. The closest thing is the Behemoth and Leviathan mentioned somewhere in the Bible. Also, no mention of cavemen, neanderthals, etc.

Fourth: I've had religion crammed down my throat since an early age, and I also find the idea of worshipping someone who supposedly doesn't need it a little redundant. A Christian I know says "Its not the worshipping, its the fact that you have enough faith to go worship." What's the difference?
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Postby AspirinE » Mar 20th, '06, 14:19

Good points. But the bible can be interprited in so many ways that, a christian will find a way explain anything, even if it means to make something up.

For example:

The first time i asked a religious person about dinasaurs, the person simply implied that they were there wen god created the animals but no humans were there yet.

Also wanted to mention that, one of the comandments is not to creat urself an idol.

but we may quite ofently see these.... hypocrisy?
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Postby Kurimoto » Mar 20th, '06, 16:11

1: sorry you dont like a powerful being controlling you, but well even if we dont have god we still have a government to take his place in the controlling seat, lol
2: the bible does say dont work on sunday IF YOU CAN HELP IT. God wants you first and formost to take care of your needs and your family and if you are made to work sundays he will understand
3: of course there arent dino's mentioned in the bible, im not sure u know when the bible takes place, but it was way after dinosaurs were dead. and in the beginning god created animals and the bible says this, it does not say what kind of animals...dinos? of course
4: im sorry about religion being crammed down your throat, that is not the way it should be done and i appologise for people who have done this to you.

all of this comming from an southern baptist, these are my opinions on the bible and in no way represent the views of any other persons interpretation of the bible.
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Regardless of your excuses;;

Postby Logann » Mar 20th, '06, 16:26

>_>;; Christians always have a reasoning for everything. And btw- I was confirmed Sunday.

Explain people walking on water, mearley because they believed they could. That's impossible. Call it a miracle if you want. But a miracle is a cancer patient surviving not somthing that can NEVER HAPPEN.

What I find amusing is that a serial killer must simply repent and find forgiveness to be forgiven. Whereas a charitable atheist is bound to hell regardless.

God is nothing but flase hope and reasoning for hard to believe things.
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Re: Regardless of your excuses;;

Postby AspirinE » Mar 20th, '06, 16:40

Mequuh wrote:>_>;; Christians always have a reasoning for everything. And btw- I was confirmed Sunday.

Explain people walking on water, mearley because they believed they could. That's impossible. Call it a miracle if you want. But a miracle is a cancer patient surviving not somthing that can NEVER HAPPEN.

What I find amusing is that a serial killer must simply repent and find forgiveness to be forgiven. Whereas a charitable atheist is bound to hell regardless.

God is nothing but flase hope and reasoning for hard to believe things.


I for one am not religious, there are different ways to define god. He can be that ultimate energy holding the universe together. every thing in the universe is relative and symbiotic. If there is a god, maybe we just arent destined to know. I dont see, belief in god to be moraly incorrect

Religion on the other hand makes death easier, if religion is abondoned one has more value over his own life.
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Postby tamara » Mar 20th, '06, 16:40

They are really good points but i think that to believe in God is something relative..I believe in God because..i dont know i feel kinda of guilty if i dont believe because i grown up listening things like 'oh go to the church' and that kinda of stuff..but it is a little confused cuz sometimes im like 'ok i believe' and others im like 'i dont believe'.1st i believe cuz i think we are here cuz of smth and..i dont know how to explain it but it is maybe i grown up listening some things so..but sometimes i dont believe cuz if god exists and died for us 'just like the history tells us' why lots of inocent people die?why we have to got diseases and that stuff?if god suffer we shouldnt suffer..but we suffer and we die so..but a part of me believe in god cuz i believe that we have other life after death or it doesnt make sense cuz we are here for some reason..so.but do u believe in life after death?
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Postby misa » Mar 20th, '06, 17:22

u know god is not just the bible !

:unsure: God doesn't control us and our movments !!! cause if he did then how come we r supposed to be punished for wut we did - in the after life . if someone believes in god most likely he will know that god doesnt control him , u can do wutever u want !! then be punished or rewarded for it
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Postby $0 R3@L » Mar 20th, '06, 17:23

God was created to explain the creation of the world in a simpler way.the bible was created to implement basic rules of life.Heaven was created so people dont fear death.
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Postby Kurimoto » Mar 20th, '06, 17:38

i can walk on water, you didnt know that? lol
just balance myself to where my overal weight and buoyancy arent greater than that of water, and when water is moving its even easier if you time yourself right...
or i could just freeze it

in all seriousness, the water walking thing and the other things in the bible that people sometimes think are impossible are where faith comes into place, also the son of god can do whatever, so its not impossible

and as for the atheist going to hell, sucks to be you, the sereal killer goes to heaven because he found the right way. god forgives if you ask, its not quite to late for you either...that is if you dont wana goto hell...just saying, again just my opinion and this represents no one other than me
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Postby neha » Mar 20th, '06, 20:26

i do believe in God....
I think that you should never doubt, i mean you can't say ''i believe in God'' and the other day '' i don't believe in God''....i mean maybe you think that it's gonna help but it's not.......when you doubt it means that you don't belive in God!!! I'm not just making up things, it is said in the bible and also the Koran and Thora!!

and God is not to control us or make things better, God is there to bring people in balance....When you think of God you shouldn't think of SOMEONE!! God is a higher power.......or sumthin, i'm finding it hard to find the right words so sorry for that....but I do believe that there is a power(God)! :sweating: :D
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Postby Tomega » Mar 20th, '06, 22:10

$0 R3@L wrote:God was created to explain the creation of the world in a simpler way.the bible was created to implement basic rules of life.Heaven was created so people dont fear death.


good points,

Religion is a way out..... you can hold on something outside real life
and i think thats weakness. thats why i am an atheist
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Postby yoshi » Mar 20th, '06, 22:45

I'm agnostic i think. i can't deny His existance but i'm also not sure wheher He exist or not. I just don't know. Plus I don't get the whole idea of creating the world - on the other hand we've got theory of evolution and so on.

And I don't like the idea of church as a commune with priest stayin on the top - they say things and then they act completely different.. It sucks lol. *yoshi's smart conclusion* :D
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Postby > Evil _ MoNkEy < » Mar 20th, '06, 23:15

ive been saved more than once (i just wanted to be safe) and i was brought up in a very baptist family..... we went to church every sunday and wendsday and was involved in church pagents and junk wen i was little...... but then, i donno... we just quit goin..... and ive tried to get back to church..... but i kinda feel like its not gonna do me ne good...... i mean..... the bible scares the hell outta me, and i know no matter how much i pray or go to church or get saved, or if i got baptised..... im still goin to hell. its the sad truth but i gatta except that.... god says u have to have a pure soul to get to heaven..... thats sumthin i dont got and probly will never obtain........

but sumtimes i do question his existence.... but cus of the way i was raised, im never gonna stop beleiving that...... but, i kinda have issues with god...... its a long story..... but we dont get along very well.... i feel that my life should go sumwat smoothly and should have sum stability... and he feels that he should give me happiness and good things and savagely take them from me just as sudenly as i got them..... he also insists on putting me thro more trials and sufferings than i beleive ne one human can take........ so ya....... im not even gonna pretend my sorry ass is even remotely close to gettin to heaven.
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Postby Nick419 » Mar 20th, '06, 23:22

really im not sure about this cause im not religious but i sorta think when u die it would be like when ur a sleep but with no dreams its hard to explain but ya thats what i think.
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Postby > Evil _ MoNkEy < » Mar 20th, '06, 23:23

misa wrote:u know god is not just the bible !

:unsure: God doesn't control us and our movments !!! cause if he did then how come we r supposed to be punished for wut we did - in the after life . if someone believes in god most likely he will know that god doesnt control him , u can do wutever u want !! then be punished or rewarded for it


thats a very good point... he gave us a free will and a conscience to make our own descisions........ ever scince eve ate the apple and they sinned against god and ate from the tree of life or w/e the tree was called, we have been aware of our suroundings and givin the ability to recognize right from wrong.... like the gods, only we dont live forever (wich is bs if u ask me..... dont get me wrong, no man is god, or should be.... i just dont wanna die.... im in no hurry to get to hell... thats y i gave up on killing myself :'( )
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