Gay naturally or Gay by choice?

[4D]

I personally believe it's totally psychological. Whether from birth or developed in childhood, it's definitely psychological. There's a lot of confusion involved too obviously, being brought up in a certain way, not every childhood the same, but all having something similar that sparks that gay sexual "preference". Even the word "Preference" shows that it's out of choice, but that's debatable. I've noticed a lot of trends in gay people, a lot of them seemed to grow up around a more dominantly female family. This is where the confusion comes in, see, we all look up to our fellow males (being men) or females (Being women). We idolise and greatly admire the best of our species, whether it's sport stars, actors or musicians, etc. We aspire to be like them, look at their skills or phsiques and admire them deeply, but if you grow up in a certain way, or something different had being triggered in you, then you can mistake these feelings for love or sexual preference. I think there's a lot of weight in that side of the debate, as to whether it';s natural or just confusion.

But, on the other hand I also believe it might be natural, Like an evolution of mankind in order to control the extreme population growth, like other evolutions like STD's, AIDS and CANCER. Maybe homosexuality is just another disease

[AspirinE]

Its a mental desease, when you become rich, spoilt and you abandon ur own instinct to reproduce and you lie to urself that you don't like to stick it to a female but assfuck ur male buddy that dresses like a female...

they arent population control, they are weak species, homosexuality is common people that have nothing to really live for... rich people that have no real function to fullfill according to their instinct. once again, i've never actually met a poor homosexual.

[4D]

I don't think it's anything to do with money, I know at least 3 working class gays, who have no more money than an average person. Maybe the camp-homosexuals are the more glamourous attention seeking type of gay, that you, Bar and Hadez talk about. Maybe their the ones with more money and less moral values. But I don't think being gay has anything more to do with money than that.

[$0 R3@L]

Its a mental desease, when you become rich, spoilt and you abandon ur own instinct to reproduce and you lie to urself that you don't like to stick it to a female but assfuck ur male buddy that dresses like a female...

they arent population control, they are weak species, homosexuality is common people that have nothing to really live for... rich people that have no real function to fullfill according to their instinct. once again, i've never actually met a poor homosexual.

agreed

its fact that for years people in power like government officials are known for having homosexual orgies.

People from a rich background tend to socialise with more 'upclass' people who hardly talk about sex...whereas your average joe,his mates will constantly talk about gurls etc and that means peer pressure auto kicks in to loose ya virginity and have a girlfriend.

[AspirinE]

I don't think it's anything to do with money, I know at least 3 working class gays, who have no more money than an average person. Maybe the camp-homosexuals are the more glamourous attention seeking type of gay, that you, Bar and Hadez talk about. Maybe their the ones with more money and less moral values. But I don't think being gay has anything more to do with money than that.

Being gay has everything to do with morality in the country, money is but one of the more common causes for immorality( and i mean survival morality). Quite possible that the people you know that are gay are jumping on the trend bandwagon influenced by problems with women in their lives. Pornography is also a cause of homosexuallity, its like they disassociate themselves with normal sex and end up doing something that "they wont normally see".

I studied architecture in college so i often did art classes and guess what... the teacher that taught art was gay, the teacher that taught art history ... was a gay old german that wears scarfs in summer... the woman that taught still life art... a lesbian.... 5-6 guys in the art class... and the internal design class .. were gay. And theres are fasion and make up designer classes too.. which are filled with pseudo-fags.

Its a distinct social trend, nothing in it relates to "being born such". I don't buy the story of gays being population controllers with the whole aids thing, coz i for one don't believe the "negros fucking monkeys" story that incidentaly let a new virus out during the around the same time as the cold war started, when africa was being sold out, when hitler met his defeat, and not long before, viruses have begun to be studied.

[4D]

Of the three people I know that are gay, one is damn hella ugly, looks weird, and justifies your theory of having problems with women. Another guy is of the more feminine type of gay, not camp, but you would know when he says something, know by his tone. He grew up with only sisters and I think this has had the resulting affect on him, of course not that that would do the same to everyone or even 99%, but to some think I it does influence their sexual orientation. The last guy is really masculine, and I know women who think he's very good lucking and handsome, you'd never know by him or his demeanor that he was gay. He's not a drama queen, not rich, and not a fasion designer. He's an electrician (Fairly manly job too), and is a really sound decent fella (As are the other two). But, he's gay, so where do your theories fit in with him?

[AspirinE]

the ugly guy - problems with women
the guy thats feminine - Bad parenting (not that its his fault but its kinda obvious) - trend follower
the electrician - porn addict turned gay.

[4D]

the ugly guy - problems with women
the guy thats feminine - Bad parenting (not that its his fault but its kinda obvious) - trend follower
the electrician - porn addict turned gay.

Lmfao, very funny but not sure how accurate you are. Not really fair blaming parents for your kids being gay, but could be a factor. I think all men are porn lovers, and the amount of sick shit out there now could seriously affect some weaker people, but this guy doesn't really match the explanation given. I think he just finds the male form sexier.

[AspirinE]

the ugly guy - problems with women
the guy thats feminine - Bad parenting (not that its his fault but its kinda obvious) - trend follower
the electrician - porn addict turned gay.

Lmfao, very funny but not sure how accurate you are. Not really fair blaming parents for your kids being gay, but could be a factor. I think all men are porn lovers, and the amount of sick shit out there now could seriously affect some weaker people, but this guy doesn't really match the explanation given. I think he just finds the male form sexier.

Im not a porn addict and thus ive never even been interested in a thing called "anal fun"... porn addicts often end up loving that shit since its more unnatural and taboo... then that leads them to be gay... easy.

ive worked in a net-cafe for a few months a couple years ago and i had seen those grown ass men with good jobs come and lodge on the second floor were nobody could see them so they coul watch that weir ass shit ... and i had to scan those pc's for viruses after that. The more severe cases of those perverts mix they shit with gay porn... its disturbing.

A man can't find a male form "sexier", its a perverted taboo desire, men are not even made to be too attractive ... Denial is all it is...

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i aint got time now to post my views and i have alot lol

but @ fordie's first post, i was brought up around dominit females, My Mum, Sister, Aunty, Gran, but now that you say that im guessing thats the reason when i was younger i used to cling to my cousin as my male to look up to i guess lol

[yoshi]

I partly have to agree with Asp on the money issue. When I walk down streets in Warsaw, there are places like Daily Caffee or Coffee Heaven [just like Starbucks], where you can meet a lot of people, mostly rich. 90% of them: a). is gay, b). badly wants to look gay/metro.

I know it's not only about money, but I noticed that rich people who are actually gay, tend to show off - clothes, the way they talk, move, behave. I bet that there are gay people who are normal middle-class, who just don't expose it. And that's it.

I have no idea whether you can choose it or not. I guess gays are people too, some of them are reportedly very nice [that's another fucked up trend - it's cool for a girl to have a gay friend. Yes, congratz. *refuses to comment on that*] and I wouldn't have problem if someone openly said he's gay. As long as they keep private their sex life, it doesn't bother me.

[Golden]

Well..if ya all think its about money/parents/enviroment..then can u explain to me one twin is gay and the other`s not? a saw a documentary ones..and u could clearly see that one was very feminin and the other normal. and thet were ypung..like 6-7.
And if u think it`s about money u guys are wrong..and what about all the people who killed them self cuz they were gay. If they had a choice, do u really think they would do that?If they had a choice i bet u they would like to bee normal.
And sure the society has stuff do do with it, but that goes both wayes. Like offcourse people didn`t "come out" before..People killed them then. But they still exist, just not as open as now..But people are different..it`s a myth that all gay people are like a women. I`ts just that we don`t see em often..And it`s femin guys that aren`t gay and masculin girls who aren`t gay.
And why is it that animals can bee gay?
I saw on the news something from Russia, gay people demonstrated, and people were attacking them beating them up like fuck..and personally i think thats just fucked up. People shouldn`t beat people up just uz theyre different. And i think we don`t have a shitt to do with what they prefere in the bed..fuck..theyre still human beings.

[AspirinE]

Well..if ya all think its about money/parents/enviroment..then can u explain to me one twin is gay and the other`s not? a saw a documentary ones..and u could clearly see that one was very feminin and the other normal. and thet were ypung..like 6-7.

There is no such thing as a difference between "feminine" and "masculine" at 6-7 years old. Parenting is an obvious reason one is different from the other, not to mention character... so now the parents are gonna lead him to believe he is gay?... i bet yes.

And if u think it`s about money u guys are wrong..and what about all the people who killed them self cuz they were gay. If they had a choice, do u really think they would do that?If they had a choice i bet u they would like to bee normal.

How do u know what goes on in a persons mind when the are gay..

1) little boy chooses a trend, being a gay outsider
2) - commits suicide later coz he made his life shit and phsychologically is unstable.

Infact that if u argue that gay people commit suicides coz they are gay, it means they are mentally unstable.

And sure the society has stuff do do with it, but that goes both wayes. Like offcourse people didn`t "come out" before..People killed them then.

The only place gay people were killed in was nazi germany, many welathy people in history often had gay orgies themselfs... like romans... Immoral power poisoned societies.

And why is it that animals can bee gay?

Gay propaganda. Animals cant masturbate an are often to stupid to control themselves, they hump even your leg if want to. does that mean animals are into 'beastiality'

I saw on the news something from Russia, gay people demonstrated, and people were attacking them beating them up like fuck..and personally i think thats just fucked up.

Skinheads do that, normal people dont attack masses. Skinheads often attack, skaters and rappers too, ive been in huge brawls with them myself for hanging out with scaters, xenophobia is very commone thing among changing societies.

People shouldn`t beat people up just uz theyre different. And i think we don`t have a shitt to do with what they prefere in the bed..fuck..theyre still human beings.

Naturally. What sexual taboo people have is there buisness, but as long as it doesnt effect other people. I wouldnt want my child to be approached by a homosexual as much as i wouldnt want him/her to be approched by a peadophile.

[Golden]

No such thing as difference between feminine and masculine at 7 years old? Kidding me?I`vee worked with kids, i have nephews and nieces and u clearly see the diffrence. I knew a guy ones that changed sex later on.He/she said that that he understood it allready at 5 years old. They got more thouhts about shit then people think. Kids are diffrent there to, some kids understand alot, thinks alot, others don`t.


how do you know that pareting is a obvious reason? that they lead em to bee like that? You can`t. Cuz gay people come from all kinds off families. From single parents, from libral homes, from strict homes, from homofobic homes, from any tipes off families. Thats just to easy to "blame" it on the parents.
Character yes i agree with u there, but i don`t think that beeing gay has anything to do with a persons character


1:Little boy "chooses" to be gay, and don`t tell shitt to nobody, little boy tries everything to bee "normal" goes to thearpy/church/has sex with girls
2Commits suicide later CUZ??

And what about gay people that don`t commit suicide? They just sick?


Thats not the only plays they killed people fo` beeing gay.(nazigermany) Thats a fact.


Then u don`t know alot abouth animals..u should look it up. Dont know what that meens?'beastiality'?


So u saying that all does people were skinheads? ok then.i didn`t know that, but it`s still sick.

U compare peofhiles with a gay person? theres a HUGE difference. A gay person having sex with a gay person voluntary is nothing like a grown man having sex with a kid who don`t want to

[AspirinE]

No such thing as difference between feminine and masculine at 7 years old? Kidding me?I`vee worked with kids, i have nephews and nieces and u clearly see the diffrence. I knew a guy ones that changed sex later on.He/she said that that he understood it allready at 5 years old. They got more thouhts about shit then people think. Kids are diffrent there to, some kids understand alot, thinks alot, others don`t.

They understand that they are girls not men huh? Bullshit. A child normally brought up with a norml hormonal balance and no mental problems will always be straight.

edit: btw

a child has a very unbalanced sexuality till they hit puberty.
(im talking about boys in this case)
1-3 years- the difference is so little that it can be unnoticeable
3-13 years- the child gets a very little dose of hormones, most of which come from glands other than the testes .
13-18 years- mostly growth hormones and testosterone

one hormone predominates- thats what makes the sexuality of a male or female.

How they interprit those hormones is about how they grow up, its mainly a confusion, gay people are sexually confused coz at some point there moral developement was obscured.

how do you know that pareting is a obvious reason? that they lead em to bee like that? You can`t. Cuz gay people come from all kinds off families. From single parents, from libral homes, from strict homes, from homofobic homes, from any tipes off families. Thats just to easy to "blame" it on the parents.

Its certainly not natural, its something they choose to be from a stand point of deslike to women, its not natural. Its natural for men to work for example, like it was always natural for them to hunt in the ancient days, you are passed on these traits, once u opress ur instincts you become mentally unstable, just like animals kept captive instead of the wild.

Character yes i agree with u there, but i don`t think that beeing gay has anything to do with a persons character

What does it have to do with then? ohh ohh... a gay gene? or are u agreeing that its a metal disorder, since its natural for men to like women, not men.

1:Little boy "chooses" to be gay, and don`t tell shitt to nobody, little boy tries everything to bee "normal" goes to thearpy/church/has sex with girls
2Commits suicide later CUZ??

Coz he's a mentally unstable idiot?.

And what about gay people that don`t commit suicide? They just sick?

There is nothing to be ashamed of in sickness, its a mental disorder that doesnt harm others, but they should not impose there way of life on society, especially not be able to adopt.

Thats not the only plays they killed people fo` beeing gay.(nazigermany) Thats a fact.

Umm... i mentioned that. Killing gay people did no good, since its not something u inherit or are born with.

Then u don`t know alot abouth animals..u should look it up.

i don't read gay scientist propaganda. Those are proll the same scientists who find g-spots in anuses. lol .

Dont know what that meens?'beastiality'?

Having a fetish for fucking animals, i was describing the view point of a dog being gay and said that a dog would hump anything because its mind cant go on and comprehend a way to release the "stress"..

So u saying that all does people were skinheads? ok then.i didn`t know that, but it`s still sick.

I didnt watch the video, u tell me, but the only ones that are stupid enough to attack in such manner are skinheads.

U compare peofhiles with a gay person? theres a HUGE difference. A gay person having sex with a gay person voluntary is nothing like a grown man having sex with a kid who don`t want to

ahah...

so if a peado finds a 13 year old girl that WANTS to have sex with him... it would be Ok?

Homosexuality falls in the same category of psychiatric disorder as pedophilia, necrophilia, zoophilia. An unnatural fetish. I can also argue that pedophiles can be pedophiles at age 6.. just like u did for gay people.

Unnatural fetishes serve no purpose what so ever.