Respect

[Raquel]

Let's talk about a things called RESPECT

I hate when people do not respect other opinions or beliefs.
I can understand that everyone has different opinion,beliefs,viewpoints,thoughts and that they want to deffend them. But why disrespect someone because he/she does not have the same ideas?

And i'm not saying that you have to say 'Amen' to others opinions. No, you can fight for what you think. But with facts, logic and respect; as we say in my city, is not the law that 'The one who 'shout' louder is the one that is right'.
You can disagree with the way some people live,but not insult them.Just live your own life and let the others live their.
That happens with everything: Religion, sexuality,skin color, tastes... When someone doesn't think like you,you think 'Oh I'm right and he/she is wrong.' And don't listen.
Stereotypes is the biggest fault of this disrespect.Example: Race, You have a general idea, and you think that all the people of this race are the same. And most of the times the idea you have is wrong.
I'm a 15-year-old girl.Spanish,latin race,white,christian,heterosexual. And i have friends, from other countries, other religions, other races, other sexuality,other skin color. And they're fantastic people, maybe better than the Spanish/heterosexual/christian/white/.. people i know.
That's the point. You can't disrespect someone if you don't really know how she/he is.

I was thinking about that long time ago, but today when i saw the 'God doesn't exist thread' and a comment that made me go : WTF?!? , i finally decided to talk about this.

So, conclusion. You can fight for your ideals,but with RESPECT. Respect to others' ideas,others' beliefs..


What do you think about that?



P.S : I suppose i have a lot of grammatical mistakes.Sorry lmao

[Arabian Shady]

I think that's the smartest thing I've read today
Respect is something you learn from your elders or from the people who surround you, if you live with animals then you will eat,sleep and talk like an animal.. Figuratively speaking..
Lack of respect for other religions, races & people stems from lack of information about them. It's easy to regard an entire poplulation of people as terrorists based on what you've heard on the news or from word of mouth aka STEREROTYPES . A logical man or a smart person makes some level of research to understand if ALL people belonging to that group are like that..That's what I think

[EminemBase]

Not all ideas deserve respect.

It's a KKK member's opinion that lynching a black person is a good, moral idea. You respect that do you? I reserve the right to call anyone an idiot and I reserve their right to call me one.

Being open-minded does not require you take literally every viewpoint seriously or treat every crackpot idea with respect. You have a right and should exercise it, to treat bigotry as bigotry, fiction as fiction.

If we seriously respected every single mindframe we wouldn't of gotten this far. Some ideas are too dangerous too respect, too detrimental to our species. This is why I do not respect religion. If religion kept itself to itself and did no harm I'd be quite happy to leave it alone. This however, as history proves and continues to, is far from the case.

Religions in power not only create tyrannical, evil dictatorships due to the very, core nature of some of the psychological aspects of religion that can be exploited but they also try and interfere with children's educations, scientific progression, the way we eat, all kinds of very important issues.

So it's not just my right as a defender of logical free speech and thinking that I fight against this, it's a MUST that all logical people do too. I won't be bullied by this nonsense and I won't give a heightened level of respect to it just because religious people claim they're 'hurt' if I dare challenge their opinion.

What do you see atheist's do that is so utterly disrespectful anyway I may ask. Make the odd remark, give speeches, write books. Oh yes, how incredibly intolerable and disrespectful. Religious people are the ones and have always been the ones trying to make it law you only allow one way of thinking.

Apposing or strongly apposing somebody's view or opinion with equally or more superior logical views from your perspective is NOT disrespectful. This is what thinking is all about. I'd rather not abuse my point of thought in the interest in not offending people.

You can't avoid offending people but you can't live your life tip-toeing around views and not being true to yourself for the sake of small-minded, weak-minded people who simply cannot have their view of the World challenged. This is cowardly and pointless.

We should be demanding that tolerance and respect start being exercised by the religious side, not ours. You see what the UN tried to do in America? Make it ILLEGAL to criticize religion. Not illegal to incite hate against it, illegal to even have an apposing opinion. The nations in support of this notion however were not democracies, not civilized nations, they were theocratic wastelands.

Religion is veering its ugly head into every part of society, poisoning young minds, encouraging hatred, small-minded thinking, apposing debate, apposing progression and seriously threatening our freedom of speech. All the time. It's us against them.

So anybody who's quite happy to sit back and have this happen - To bow down to people who not only want to be slaves but want the rest of us to be too, who don't want freedom, who by definition appose it... I will not respect. By any means.

You may choose to love your enemy. I do not. This is a very dangerous thing. I treat my enemy with great disrespect. I'll show no more respect to views I consider disgusting in the religious parties than disgusting views of racism or any other form of irrational mind puke.

If you want to, go ahead. It's my right not to and don't tell me I have to.

[Sophie]

To me, respect is something you should automatically have for another person unless they give you reason not to.

[EminemBase]

^ Indeed. I respect all human beings unless they give me a reason not to. I do not however respect all ideas and automatic respect for all ideas, however ridiculous or dangerous, is a very silly thing.

And I'm glad that most people agree with this. If it were not this way, we'd of self-destructed by now. If we 'respected' Hitler's view of World domination under one true race of human beings via means of... Selective killing and breeding, we'd now have a World similar to North Korea.

We'd have a human race of slaves, fueled only by the constant, irrational, never-ending love for the dictatorship that ruled them. You may notice the similarity in that scenario to that of any holy book. Perhaps now you understand my inherent hate for all religions. Fundamentally. Perhaps not.

No self-respect, no self-dignity, no true human worth. You're a pawn, a lowly creation who must be eternally thankful just for breathing. You're a piece of excrement and you're lucky that your infinitely intelligent ruler even make you that. Yes, what a grand view of life. Brackets, not.

[Sophie]

However I don't think I can ever respect a person who is disrespectful to others, no matter how wrong or right they are about their views/opinions/facts.

And this.

[Raquel]

@EminemBase. First of all. You don't have the right to call me an idiot. You can't insult me. You can say that I'm 100% wrong and that Ive no idea ..whatever you want. But not insult me.
Ok,lets see.
I'm not talking about the KKK ,I'm talking about people that haven't done anything bad. That DON'T want to kill/hur/disrespect anybody. Of course talking about KKK and all that shit you can disrespect. Because they use violence against people who are not like they.They DISRESPECT, so they deserve disrespect.

So, as i see yo9u only talk about religion i will talk about religion too. I will talk from my view point, as a christian I am.
You say that religion want people to think exactly the same,belief in the same and all that shit, dont ya?
I've been in a Nuns School since i was 2 years old. I don't have the same ideas as nuns. And with them, i can express my own ideas and they never say, oh you're wrong you're such an idiot because you say that God blah blah. They don't wash my brain. You know the ideas they want to make me learn? that we have to LOVE everyone that deserve be loved.We have to learn to forgive. And that there is a God that love us. They're not saying that everyone who is not christian should be hated.
They don't do anything bad. What did Religion against you? They want to kill you? They have insulted you? What?
So , you are not going to respect someone that hasn't do any bad to you?You can nevermind them. You can say they are totally wrong believing in anything. But can't insult them. that's disprepectful.

But let's talk about other things appart Religion. The same idea you have about religion lot of people have about homosecuality. What? what if they're gays or lesbian? why do people hate on 'em?Because as you say, they think that ' they don't deserve respect'




@ Sophie&Pink, yeah im with ya. That's what i said right now about the KKK, they disrespect,they use violence.So they dont deserve respect.



I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT ALL THE IDEAS, ONLY THE 'NORMAL' IDEAS. I MEAN, NOT VIOLENT IDEAS,NOT DISRESPECTFUL IDEAS...

[EminemBase]

However I don't think I can ever respect a person who is disrespectful to others, no matter how wrong or right they are about their views/opinions/facts.

So if somebody were to call Saddam Hussein an evil, disgusting excuse for a human being... You'd lose respect for the person who said that?

Despite the fact that under the dictatorship of Saddam, children and women were raped. Constantly, for nothing other than his own amusement. Families were slaughtered.

But you still think that we should be respectful to Saddam? Even in opinions on him. Some people, ideas or opinions don't deserve respect. BEING disrespectful is a lot different to saying things that you may perceive as disrespectful.

I for example, would never spit or kick somebody just because they believed in god. I would however call them deluded. Which you may perceive as disrespectful but I do not think that belief deserves respect.

Giving everything respect for the sake of it, shows an understanding of the reasons to be respectful in an effort to please everybody. It's perverse. You don't have to respect everything.

[Raquel]

However I don't think I can ever respect a person who is disrespectful to others, no matter how wrong or right they are about their views/opinions/facts.

So if somebody were to call Saddam Hussein an evil, disgusting excuse for a human being... You'd lose respect for the person who said that?

Despite the fact that under the dictatorship of Saddam, children and women were raped. Constantly, for nothing other than his own amusement. Families were slaughtered.

But you still think that we should be respectful to Saddam? Even in opinions on him. Some people, ideas or opinions don't deserve respect. BEING disrespectful is a lot different to saying things that you may perceive as disrespectful.

I for example, would never spit or kick somebody just because they believed in god. I would however call them deluded. Which you may perceive as disrespectful but I do not think that belief deserves respect.

Giving everything respect for the sake of it, shows an understanding of the reasons to be respectful in an effort to please everybody. It's perverse. You don't have to respect everything.

You don't have to respect everything. That was my fail. I didn't say that the ideas i think you have to respect are not violent ideas.example, People who kill other people doesn't deserve anything good.

[EminemBase]

I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT ALL THE IDEAS, ONLY THE 'NORMAL' IDEAS. I MEAN, NOT VIOLENT IDEAS,NOT DISRESPECTFUL IDEAS...

Who determines these normal ideas. I don't consider god a normal idea and yes religions have incited violence, for centuries.

You're specific little circle in which you've learned your religious ideas may not but you're thinking specifically only of them.

Religion itself, incites hatred. Go check the holy book in which you hold dearly. You'll find not just mentioning but endorsing of rape, incest, racism, slavery. You expect me to respect this?

About teaching people to love one another and so on. These are not religious ideas. These are human ideas. Many great philosophers before any organized religions populated these ideas. Religion hijacks HUMAN morality and claims it as its own.

Religion gets its morality from us, not the other way around.

Core idea is a celestial dictator that you must worship or forever burn in hell. This is not a nice idea and it's not a nice thing to teach to children as the truth.

Religion is also detrimental to science and education. The Bible teaches the world is 6,000 years old. It teaches man was made from dust. These ideas are dangerous and stupid and do not deserve respect. These are not matters of opinion, the world is not 6k years old and that's a fact. So why respect this.

If people want to believe this fine but to try and have it taught in schools as fact is insulting. So yes I will fight against this and call the people who believe it idiots.

And yes I do actually have a right to call you an idiot. As yo do me. And you will not take away my right.

[EminemBase]

^ Yes but as you acknowledged, not everybody deserves respect.

So what then makes everybody entitled to the basic human respect of another.

I assume you wouldn't disrespect somebody for calling Hitler an idiot. That is however being disrespectful to him. So then you can't say that you disrespect anybody who disrespectful to anybody else.

The real issue at hand here though is not respect. It's freedom of speech.

The real question is, do you respect, freedom of speech. I happen to live for freedom of speech. Not literally but I will defend it immeasurably.

If you do respect freedom of speech, you should respect anybody's right to be disrespectful so long as they don't harm anybody.

It's fine to... Dislike a person that goes around bad-mouthing people. But it's not fine to try and ban this person's views. Freedom of speech is meaningless if we only allow the most popular views to be heard.

[Raquel]

Yes, religion HAD incited violence. Not now. Right now i don't see any christian killing people.
I'm not in a little circle with specific ideas. I respect others' ideas. I respect you ,you are an atheist, so i respect you. I don't say you can't.Why can't I believe in God?let me believe in whatever i want if I don't do anything bad to you.

About science. yeah i know that religion and science disappoint sometimes. But i go to a nuns school and I'm studying the same as you in science. The correct age of the earth...everything.
I'm a christian, and as you say christians don't believe in science, cuz science say things that are not 'correct' for christians, and you know what im going to study? SCIENCE. So i'm not closed minded that think that religion is perfect.
I've never (actually not one hundresd years ago please) heard any religious disrespecting atheism.

Yes ,ok you have the right. But you shouldn't. And I'm not an idiot,



And I'm not talking about religion. I'm talking about everything. Sexuality?What do you have to tell me about ppl who disrespect homosexuals?


@ PINK you're totally right.

[EminemBase]

^ Well I think that any view or opinion should be allowed to be heard. No matter what you think of it.

This is why I brought it around to freedom of speech.

If somebody said "I think all black people are scum". I wouldn't agree with it, I would think it's a stupid and disgusting statement.

But I would defend that person's right TO say it. As without that right, there is no freedom of speech.

I think we should all have the right to be as respectful or disrespectful as long as it doesn't harm anybody. There's a big difference between words and actions.

Also, what a lot of people deem disrespectful actually isn't.

Specifically with religion. Because society has bought into a heightened respect of religion, even mild criticism sounds offensive and disrespectful to people.

For example, Richard Dawkins' book is called The God Delusion. Now that immediately caught flack and uprise from religious people who of course, didn't read the book but just the title, saying the use of the word 'delusion' is offensive and disrespectful.

In fact, it's actually grammatically correct. Delusion is defined as a strong belief held in face of the evidence. So despite the lack of or apparent apposing evidence, the belief is still held. So despite the fact he was obviously being a bit cheeky and trying to provoke, it's not slander, the title is true.

But because of the subject matter, people immediately think it's more offensive than it is.

Where as people are constantly, 100% more offensive and disrespectful of each other's political or music views. Respect is relative and subjective.

But we can't run a society, or, shouldn't that dedicates its time to defending every person who claims they're hurt or offended by nothing other than an opinion, joke, whatever. It's silly and primitive.

[EminemBase]

I don't say you can't.Why can't I believe in God?let me believe in whatever i want if I don't do anything bad to you.

About science. yeah i know that religion and science disappoint sometimes. But i go to a nuns school and I'm studying the same as you in science. The correct age of the earth...everything.
I'm a christian, and as you say christians don't believe in science, cuz science say things that are not 'correct' for christians, and you know what im going to study? SCIENCE. So i'm not closed minded that think that religion is perfect.
I've never (actually not one hundresd years ago please) heard any religious disrespecting atheism.

Yes ,ok you have the right. But you shouldn't. And I'm not an idiot,

And I'm not talking about religion. I'm talking about everything. Sexuality?What do you have to tell me about ppl who disrespect homosexuals?

Firstly at what point did I say "you can't believe in god". Could you just go and fetch that quot... Oh, you can't. Because I haven't said that, once. At no point have I heard any atheist, myself included, tell a religious crowd or person that they cannot or should not believe in god.

BUT what religions do, IS tell people they have to believe in god or at least consider it. They want it taught in schools. This is not right. Religion is not based on evidence as you know. It's based on blind-faith. So if you want to believe it - FINE. But DO NOT tell me I can't criticize it and do not try and have it taught in schools as a serious alternative to how we got here. Because it's not.

That bit you put about never hearing religions insult atheism made me laugh. Listen, I'm not going to give you a history lesson here, if you don't know why that quote is as wrong as wrong can be... Go do some research on the history of religion and come back to me.

About what I have to say about sexual preference... What about it? People can do what they like as long as it doesn't bother me and as long as I don't see it as a threat to our society. This is the exact reason I am not of this opinion in regards to religion.

Religion does not leave me and everyone else alone, it tries to force society to obey its way of thinking, it starts holy wars, it incites hatred, it encourages genital mutilation of children and asks for special respect as it does it. So no, I will not respect this. I will appose it as strongly as possible.

[SajN]

I told you. NO! doubleposts!