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Re: Just venting

Postby Fleka » Jun 1st, '12, 17:14

I know the story, but Jordan had natural talent. You can work as hard as you want, but without the talent, you will never be successfull.
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Re: Just venting

Postby JamaicanPattlez » Jun 1st, '12, 17:29

Fleka wrote:I know the story, but Jordan had natural talent. You can work as hard as you want, but without the talent, you will never be successfull.


I don't believe that. Because you're not born with anything, the only thing you know how to do is know how to eat, sleep, cry, and poop. That's how I see it.
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Re: Just venting

Postby Slim Fiasco » Jun 1st, '12, 17:33

Fleka wrote:I know the story, but Jordan had natural talent. You can work as hard as you want, but without the talent, you will never be successfull.


I have to disagree man. Talent can fasten your improvement and make the difference between a Kobe Bryant and a John Wall, but hard work is way more important than talent. But moreover, you need to love what you're doing. That way, improving will increase your confidence and make you happier, and when you're happy like that, you can be successful at anything.
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Re: Just venting

Postby Fleka » Jun 1st, '12, 18:02

I agree that hard work is important, but you need talent or that special something inside of you. Kobe Bryant is talented but so is John Wall. He just has a bit less talent. Jordan had loads of talent, but he needed more time and work to shine. And it`s not just talent and hard work that matter, it`s very important how mentaly strong you are. Jordan exploded when he got older. You have loads of players, in all kinds of sports, wonder kids that show great potentail when they are 15-16 and they never live up to that potential.

Hard work is important, but without the talent, it means little. Because, you work hard and you have no talent for the thing you do but someone with talent is working just as hard as you. And you will never be able to compete with that someone.
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Re: Just venting

Postby Slim Fiasco » Jun 1st, '12, 18:19

Maybe, but you don't have to be the best in the field to be successful. Chris Bosh is nowhere near Tim Duncan, but he's in the NBA and that's a big deal by itself. He also makes a lot of money, but the thing is that everybody has a different definition of success. For some rappers, a success may be to become able to stay on beat and do shows in front of small crowds. For somebody else, it may mean Grammys and 10 million records sold.
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Re: Just venting

Postby Slim Fiasco » Jun 1st, '12, 18:24

Also, less talented people usually value their hard-earned skills more, and are more productive. The more talented people may get overconfident and think that they've done what needs to be done i.e. to get too comfortable. Allen Iverson and Vince Carter may serve as examples for this. AI ridiculed practice and look where he ended up.
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Re: Just venting

Postby BigBoss » Jun 1st, '12, 18:31

Zabe wrote:J.R., dedicating more time to writing doesn't solve your problem. What you're saying is you've pushed your friends away, so you're gonna push them even further. That's not the answer.
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Re: Just venting

Postby Fleka » Jun 2nd, '12, 06:00

You guys misunderstood me. Pattlez said Jordan had no natural talent. None. I just said that you need talent. Some got more, some less. That`s what makes the difference between Jordan and Scalabrine.
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Re: Just venting

Postby Guess_Who » Jun 2nd, '12, 09:42

And what about with people that goes far without talent? There are a lot of examples in the music business. And if you want basket , we had here Dueñas, he was really clumsy, but he is like 2.20 or so , so he went far. I met him a few times in Barcelona, I don't know how he could play basket he moves like a duck. A friend of mine who knows a lot about basket says is the same with Yao Ming.

On topic, J.R. you can cry and complain as much as you want one day, but then you have to get up and just change the things, the situation is not going to fix itself.. Can you fix things with your friends? maybe if you tell them what you said here they will understand. If it's too late, then turn the page and find new people. And you have a girlfriend, despite of what people say, that's a lot. Now listen to not afraid and change your mind. :p
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Re: Just venting

Postby JustEnjoytheMusic » Jun 2nd, '12, 10:03

From what you're saying, you've got nothing to lose when it comes to your friends. Go right out and apologize. Tell them you feel like an idiot for whatever it is you did that caused the estrangement and that you miss them. It might seem girly, but it won't help you if you just ignore the problem.

If talking's too hard, ask if they want to do whatever you did when you were friends (no idea how old you are, so I can only guess), or something you guys haven't done in years...

I would suggest you handle the personal stuff first, then the writing. I don't know about your working process, but you can always use the misery for fuel for new material retrospectively.

And you have a girlfriend, despite of what people say, that's a lot. Now listen to not afraid and change your mind.

Guess who's right. If you have the attitude you described towards her, you might lose her too. Appreciate her a little more, or she'll get hurt. I can't imagine you want that.
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Re: Just venting

Postby Guess_Who » Jun 2nd, '12, 11:17

JustEnjoytheMusic wrote:From what you're saying, you've got nothing to lose when it comes to your friends. Go right out and apologize. Tell them you feel like an idiot for whatever it is you did that caused the estrangement and that you miss them. It might seem girly, but it won't help you if you just ignore the problem.


yeah that's what I wanted to say, you have nothing to lose with them . Even if they don't forgive you you would be in the same point that you are now. Maybe you will regret it if you don't try, friends are important.

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Re: Just venting

Postby Atone » Jun 2nd, '12, 13:40

Been in your position before

i can't help wi8th the gf issue cuz i beren single for a year, after 5 years straight of back to back girlfriends lol, kinda enjoyin the single life,

but the friends thing, try to talk to your friends, work shit out with em, if you done wrong to em appologise and try to fix it, if they feel they don't wanna fix it, you don't need em, mov e on, find new friends,

when me and Zach stopped talking i didn't try to fix it, but that was cuz he was a retarded bitch boy anyways and wasn't worth fixing, but i've got friends who i fell out with over bullshit, some of it i was wrong, and i manned up, appologised and talked it out, now were cool as ever, and friends that wronged me, i talked it out with em, they appologised, we fixed it, thing is, i stepped forward and made the attempt to fix it and didn't wait for shit to mend together.

you gotta be the one to go for what you want and not wait for others to do it

now with music, alot of ppl here would say taking advice from me is like taking algabra lessons from a high school drop out but whatever

there was times when i almost gave up music, mostly cuz i'm Bi-polar but alot of it WAS cuz of things ppl said on here, i can't deny it the shit did effect me, truth is, i kept writing, i'm obviously still making music, you gotta do it for you, don't do it to impress anybody else, do it for your heart, block everybody else out, write what you feel.

i got my groove back when i started workin on a tape i felt was expressing my true life, my previous mixtape "stronger" which heavily spoke on everything going on in my life, fighting depression, giving up alcohol, shit with my ex, beef i have with ex friends, pretty much everything i felt needed to be said i put it in a song.

my next tape is a different style, it's me rapping over industry beats like Kanye West's "Theraflu" but i did it my way, put my own personal vibe to each track, and this gave me motivation to work on a new album for later, which will be sort of a part 2 of my previous album, with songs about staying sober, dealing with knowing my dad could die any day due to his tumor, but i'm making the album even more personal by making sure i do not cuss in any song, similar to Chamillionaire, getting my point across without being explicit, i'm doing this because i want my sister to be able to listen to this album, this album is for me, but i'm making it even more personal and deep and doing it for my sister, doing that motivates me even more.

what i'm trying to say, is find something that motivates you, and go for that, write about the things you feel should be said, your life, fuck what others think, do it your way.
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Re: Just venting

Postby J.R. » Jun 2nd, '12, 17:09

Thanks who, Jp, and atone. I apologized and was rejected so I'll move on. I'll appreciate my gf more and my current friends I've been kinda neglecting. ( I have 1 who's pretty loyal since 1st grade) I'm 16 btw. Thanks guys. Your like a second family
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Re: Just venting

Postby lakewaking » Jun 3rd, '12, 22:26

so much estrogen in the air, man up pussy n i g g a.. the dr phil show is that way :laughing:

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Re: Just venting

Postby J.R. » Jun 4th, '12, 02:51

Avoiding the filter isn't smart, nigga
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