Slik, why you hate me so?!?!

[CrashBand]

You don't agree with what?

I'm saying you often retort to someone who is saying X is better with Y, with "I prefer Y, and there's nothing you can do about it".

When your preferences are actually irrelevant to Relapse being a good album. You have to justify why it is better than SSLP otherwise there's no point in comparing the two at all.

[Kill You]

Okay. Whether or not it's better to you or me doesn't matter, like you said, that's what I try to say. So I have to justify it with my opinion? Because you'll just come back and say why I'm wrong if I do. I mean, that's all we can do is give our opinions because nothing is music is 100% fact. So I'll give you my reasons why, I guess:

1. The music. I simply enjoy it better. I believe it to be very well produced and better produced than SSLP. I really really enjoy the beats a whole lot.

2. The lyrics. They're nuts. He rhymes very very well and its not totally random. I understand these songs because honestly, these are the things that cross fucked up people's minds. You may not agree but I consider myself a pretty fucked up individual. That is part of why I'm so drawn to Eminem's music. I can appreciate the story-telling on Relapse. Not to say SSLP's is bad, but that was more of cartoony violence than anything. Relapse is straight brutal to me.

3. His flows and delivery. The flows are very creative and diverse. He rides those beats smooth as fuck. The accents are a new kind of thing and you either love them or hate them. I love them, never had a problem with them. They're very unique and different. As what I believe this album is.

4. The concept. Whether or not it is a concept album is debatable. I believe that it is. I really enjoy the supposed concept a lot and I really understand it. It tells a pretty coherent story to me. SSLP has a bunch of random songs in my honest opinion that just sound the same. Really he's just as random on SSLP as he is on Relapse save a few tracks like Rock Bottom and If I Had. On Relapse I feel he has a point.

And then the subjective part, I just have listened to it much much more than SSLP and enjoy it far more. I'm not sorry for it.

I hope you understand better.

[EmTV]

Okay. Whether or not it's better to you or me doesn't matter, like you said, that's what I try to say. So I have to justify it with my opinion? Because you'll just come back and say why I'm wrong if I do. I mean, that's all we can do is give our opinions because nothing is music is 100% fact. So I'll give you my reasons why, I guess:

1. The music. I simply enjoy it better. I believe it to be very well produced and better produced than SSLP. I really really enjoy the beats a whole lot.

2. The lyrics. They're nuts. He rhymes very very well and its not totally random. I understand these songs because honestly, these are the things that cross fucked up people's minds. You may not agree but I consider myself a pretty fucked up individual. That is part of why I'm so drawn to Eminem's music. I can appreciate the story-telling on Relapse. Not to say SSLP's is bad, but that was more of cartoony violence than anything. Relapse is straight brutal to me.

3. His flows and delivery. The flows are very creative and diverse. He rides those beats smooth as fuck. The accents are a new kind of thing and you either love them or hate them. I love them, never had a problem with them. They're very unique and different. As what I believe this album is.

4. The concept. Whether or not it is a concept album is debatable. I believe that it is. I really enjoy the supposed concept a lot and I really understand it. It tells a pretty coherent story to me. SSLP has a bunch of random songs in my honest opinion that just sound the same. Really he's just as random on SSLP as he is on Relapse save a few tracks like Rock Bottom and If I Had. On Relapse I feel he has a point.

And then the subjective part, I just have listened to it much much more than SSLP and enjoy it far more. I'm not sorry for it.

I hope you understand better.

Hopping on here to say these are my reasons for liking Relapse better, although I still have love for the SSLP.

[Kill You]

Yes, of course SSLP is still amazing. I just like Relapse better.

[CrashBand]

So I have to justify it with my opinion?

Yes, lol. Unless you are just saying you like it but it's not better.

Because you'll just come back and say why I'm wrong if I do. I mean, that's all we can do is give our opinions because nothing is music is 100% fact.

I can't just say you're wrong, and that's that. I have to explain why you are wrong.

So I'll give you my reasons why, I guess:

1. The music. I simply enjoy it better. I believe it to be very well produced and better produced than SSLP. I really really enjoy the beats a whole lot.

I probably agree with that, SSAD for instance is such a well-produced track.

2. The lyrics. They're nuts. He rhymes very very well and its not totally random. I understand these songs because honestly, these are the things that cross fucked up people's minds. You may not agree but I consider myself a pretty fucked up individual. That is part of why I'm so drawn to Eminem's music. I can appreciate the story-telling on Relapse. Not to say SSLP's is bad, but that was more of cartoony violence than anything. Relapse is straight brutal to me.

This is where my main disagreement with you stems from.

First of all, he doesn't rhyme as well as he did on SSLP, if you want to know my stance on rhyming well you can look in the other thread. But god rhyming is unforced, hard to notice rhymes that don't take away from the lyrics. Brain Damage and Rock Bottom are amazing examples of this. A lot of Relapse is almost the exact opposite of what I'm talking about.

And it's not capturing the whole "fucked-up minds" thing that you're alluding to well at all. Most of the songs actually comes across as someone trying to seem "fucked up".

3. His flows and delivery. The flows are very creative and diverse. He rides those beats smooth as fuck. The accents are a new kind of thing and you either love them or hate them. I love them, never had a problem with them. They're very unique and different. As what I believe this album is.

His delivery? are you joking, lol. I suppose it's subjective but fuck, lol. His flowing is fine, but it's not any worse on SSLP. Faster flows don't necessarily trump conversation like flow.

4. The concept. Whether or not it is a concept album is debatable. I believe that it is. I really enjoy the supposed concept a lot and I really understand it. It tells a pretty coherent story to me. SSLP has a bunch of random songs in my honest opinion that just sound the same. Really he's just as random on SSLP as he is on Relapse save a few tracks like Rock Bottom and If I Had. On Relapse I feel he has a point.

Yeah, SSLP has random punchlines songs, but they're executed well. Having a concept =/= better. The Relapse 'story' isn't very cohesive to me anyway? They sound the same, but there's a lot a random lyrics that that get chucked into the "amazing concept" when it's just similarly themed lyrics about drugs and violence that he did on SSLP freestyle-esque songs anyway.
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[Kill You]

So you see...I gave my reasons. And you gave your reasons why you disagree. Fair enough. I'm just more drawn to the music of Relapse than I am of SSLP.

[Almostlity]

Kill You lawst

Slik #1 stunna

[Kill You]

Almostlity GOAT poster omg

[Eedee]

Menzo on that #protectKillYou shit, whew

But I agree. He prefers one over the other. Take the vice grip off his balls.

[Eedee]

How did you know...?

My dad told me a week ago.

[PAINKILLƎR]

It's not even protecting him, I don't agree with him 100% of the time - I don't agree with anyone 100% of the time. It's just so fucking God damn annoying when it's the same fucking losers on this board consistently pestering others about that shit. Fuck you and your hopefully dead mother.

[Eedee]

[Eedee]

Wow, you know what, fuck that baby. Stupid piece of shit.

[Kill You]

Why the fuck does he have to justify his opinion if he prefers one over another? He isn't declaring one is better than the next as if it's fact, he's speaking on behalf of his ears.

I swear, sometimes you guys who are so fucking anal about y0 opinionated credibility should just fucking drop dead cuz clearly you can't live a day of your life without critiquing the speed paint is drying on your fucking shitty, one bedroom apartment wall.

CrashBand was alright though, didn't insult me or anything but at first I did feel insulted, in the other thread. But that was mis-communication.

[CrashBand]

Why the fuck does he have to justify his opinion if he prefers one over another? He isn't declaring one is better than the next as if it's fact, he's speaking on behalf of his ears.

omg lol. How many times do I have to repeat this? Of course you can like things that aren't necessarily good.

But Kill You often confuses "declaring one is better than the other" with "preferring one over another".

If you are "declaring one is better than the other" then you have to justify that. Do you disagree? It's what these music boards are for lol.

But if you are stating you are "preferring one over another" that's fine, but be ready to admit it may be a piece of shit (unless you justify why it's not).