VENT: WTF is wrong with all the TRShady "rappers"???

[FreeSpeech]

Here is my serious reply to this thread.

It's threads like this that are a perfect example of why people don't come here as much anymore, and why half the awesome members have left or faded into limbo. Back in the day a thread like this would have been told to fuck off immediately, not given validation. Remember Coccoa? Most of you probably don't. A fake faggot who made a video dissing half the active audio members at the time. The response? Disses and piss-taking. Now we get people linking to rival forums acting like he has a point? The fuck guys?

Your problem (which isn't surprising when you prefer a forum about fucking Kanye West) is that you are focused on monetary means and success. You clearly don't give two fucks about what music is really about. If you can say one thing about people who make music here it's that they do it out of love for it. People here have been making music for years. Do you honestly think everyone here thinks they'll become famous? Fuck no. I for one have no plans related to that. I make music because creativity is a nagging little voice that never shuts the fuck up.

I don't care how many YouTube hits some dick off the Kanye forums has. I make music because I love it. But don't wax idiotic when you clearly aint listened to half this forum's output properly. "Stereotypical 'deep' music"? You're ignorant. My new project has a central concept that I don't think anyone else on this forum's ever made. Of course I know you'll never listen to it, but that's beside the point. Big Ax-D's latest album was full of mythos, but you clearly didn't listen. Tom Chambers is braggadocio music which honestly should really satisfy your musical cravings if you enjoy Kanye, but you clearly didn't listen to it. Solace and Anonymous's tape was dark as fuck, but....whatever.

Bar isn't here anymore because he's now pretty much famous in his hometown. I don't wanna say the same for Steve Spag cause I don't know him personally, but if his claims are to be believed then so is he. Ax has already covered his situation. And please don't insult my intelligence by bringing up the oh-so-clever paradox that if I wrote this long a reply it means you must have struck a nerve. I just dislike ignorance.

I don't dislike you FreeSpeech, but this is really dumb. Nothing you say is gonna change a thing. There is more going on in our lives than what is on the surface, so please do not assume we spend our days thinking of this site and this site only. And that becomes doubly true when said site is now mostly populated with pricks and people who just don't care.

You missed the point on so many levels

1. I clearly said the OP was only in reference to the people who take this seriously and actually are trying to do something with their music. So obviously, people who JUST have it as a hobby (like you say you do) have no problem. I wouldn't hate on someone who did color-by-numbers books for fun, but if they did them to try to start a career, I'd say they're doing it wrong. get it?
2. So in your opinion, TR was better when genuine, truthful criticism was told to "fuck off"? Guess that partly explains why you all suck and the forum died. If you've looked at KTT, you would understand how much better it is in all aspects. It has it's worthless members, but it is far more diverse and I have found more good music on it than I ever have on TR. And there is actually more discussion on KTT about "TR type" rappers like Hopsin than there is here.
3. If you shit on Kanye as an artist, that perfectly explains how warped your views on creating music are. Even if you don't fuck with him, you can't deny the level of skill and work he puts in. No one on TR has touched the surface of what Kanye has done. I'm not Stanning, I can theoretically see someone arguing that a rapper I hate such as Sadistik is better than Kanye (though I'd heavily disagree), but no TR rapper can be put in the same sentence.
4. I focus on money and fame, that's my problem? Oh, how wrong you are. For example, take Copywrite, who is neither rich, famous, or mainstream at all. I dislike him personally, think his music generally sucks, and think his lyrics come across as bitchy and self important. But guess what? He's doing things right. I can respect him as a functional music industry member, even if I don't respect him personally or musically. He does what he does well, no matter if I like it. The TR rappers are not doing anything well. Sure, they may have some fans in their towns, but that means nothing. I'm a fan of my old school's football team because it was my school, they are also the worst team in the league.

[FreeSpeech]

And the fact that the tracks don't have a "mainstream" sound doesn't make it bad tbh.

I said nothing remotely concerning whether the music is mainstream or not. Trash is trash, be it teen pop or underground rap.

[AbramIsaac]

FreeSpeech isn't all wrong here.

The way he's going about it might be wrong, but his core point is valid enough. He may be hating alright, whether he knows it or not, but his description of a particular type of artist is dead on. He's just being an asshole in the way he's going about it, and trying to justify it by claiming he's only trying to help.

I'm not so sure he's trying to help. The way he's going about this will turn off the people that fit this category, effectively keeping him from helping anyone. He's telling the truth though, regardless of what you believe his intentions to be. There are people here that DO think they are making moves, allowing themselves to feel comfortable with being mediocre.

That's fine if it's a hobby, as it is for most of us. There's nothing wrong with that at all. It is, however, undeniable that some of us are kidding ourselves when we hold this idea that we're on our way to a career rapping, when we won't take the necessary steps to improving our skills to the level required for that to become a reality.

Some of us are pretending, that's all. If you're doing it for the love of it, there's no need to pretend you're in the industry or something. Whatever you're doing, just be honest with yourself about it. As long as you're doing that, you are doing it right.

Just for the record, I don't particularly like FreeSpeech. He makes good points sometimes, but his attitude is somewhat of a detriment to his position, in my opinion. That's why this thread is full of so much hostility. Another member could have made the same points to universal agreement, but the way it was put across here got in the way of the merit of the argument.

[TonyTilt]

the worst is MMDEMAZ


idc if it s wrong


you leaked your own songs

I see people do this shit all the time. They act like a 3rd party to their own shit.

"Album XYZ is possibly dropping next week!"
No, it's dropping whenever you upload it to Zshare, because a release date is only applicable for projects people care about.

"Album leaked!"
No, you uploaded your own shit.


It's so embarrassing...

hahaha so true "Whenever you upload it to Zshare"

[B.A.D.]

FreeSpeech isn't all wrong here.

The way he's going about it might be wrong, but his core point is valid enough. He may be hating alright, whether he knows it or not, but his description of a particular type of artist is dead on. He's just being an asshole in the way he's going about it, and trying to justify it by claiming he's only trying to help.

I'm not so sure he's trying to help. The way he's going about this will turn off the people that fit this category, effectively keeping him from helping anyone. He's telling the truth though, regardless of what you believe his intentions to be. There are people here that DO think they are making moves, allowing themselves to feel comfortable with being mediocre.

That's fine if it's a hobby, as it is for most of us. There's nothing wrong with that at all. It is, however, undeniable that some of us are kidding ourselves when we hold this idea that we're on our way to a career rapping, when we won't take the necessary steps to improving our skills to the level required for that to become a reality.

Some of us are pretending, that's all. If you're doing it for the love of it, there's no need to pretend you're in the industry or something. Whatever you're doing, just be honest with yourself about it. As long as you're doing that, you are doing it right.

Just for the record, I don't particularly like FreeSpeech. He makes good points sometimes, but his attitude is somewhat of a detriment to his position, in my opinion. That's why this thread is full of so much hostility. Another member could have made the same points to universal agreement, but the way it was put across here got in the way of the merit of the argument.

excellently put, and yeah, the main point is right. but when you start calling out individuals and getting into a position of arrogance, without even knowing what this people's intentions are, that is when it all goes wrong.

And honestly, me in particular, I don't like to be called out for false intuitions of what ever my desires are, by no means I accept someone to hate on the music I do, just for the simple hate of it.

[AbramIsaac]

Everyone's actions are open to interpretation, including misinterpretation. Yours, mine, or FreeSpeech's included. That's not the problem here.

The problem is that what you believe to be true and what actually is don't always match up. I believe that may be the case with you, based on your fairly humble explanation of your motives. FreeSpeech's assertions don't seem to apply to your situation. I found your account as interesting as I found his more or less applicable to some artists here, despite the disrespectful way it was put forth.

This is the type of thing that could have been brought out in a friendly discussion. Instead, it was brought from a position of hostility, and now the benefit from it has most likely been tainted by all of the negativity.

[B.A.D.]

I agree, thats how it should've been done.

At the end of the day it comes down to each person to know what they are doing and how it should be done, of course if you approach somebody dis-respectfully there's going to be nothing more than back and forth un-polite discussion, until eventually... it escalates, and we catch ourselves not even talking about music any more, which is exactly what pissed me off in the first place. after all, Art is free speech, ironically right??... and nobody has a right to insult or suppress your efforts. Doesn't matter which way you are pursuing.

If the approach would've been more into the actual feedback or opinion rather than the comedy sided degrading of people's efforts, then that's another story.

[Kez]

1. I clearly said the OP was only in reference to the people who take this seriously and actually are trying to do something with their music. So obviously, people who JUST have it as a hobby (like you say you do) have no problem. I wouldn't hate on someone who did color-by-numbers books for fun, but if they did them to try to start a career, I'd say they're doing it wrong. get it?

While I agree it's ill-fated, if people want to try to do that then it's their decision. You can disagree plenty, but it's their choice really. The only reason I defend them is because I don't think it's fair that people should be criticised for following their desires, no matter how unlikely they are to become true.

2. So in your opinion, TR was better when genuine, truthful criticism was told to "fuck off"? Guess that partly explains why you all suck and the forum died. If you've looked at KTT, you would understand how much better it is in all aspects. It has it's worthless members, but it is far more diverse and I have found more good music on it than I ever have on TR. And there is actually more discussion on KTT about "TR type" rappers like Hopsin than there is here.

Now it's you missing the point. Never said that. This isn't truthful criticism. You never really said anything about any actual output, you just criticised their actions and how they go about things. Don't pull the "everyone just sucks each other's dick" argument, because it aint true. Maybe once told me to quit making music period. And how is this genuine criticism supposed to help anyone? All you have done is tell people to just quit.

3. If you shit on Kanye as an artist, that perfectly explains how warped your views on creating music are. Even if you don't fuck with him, you can't deny the level of skill and work he puts in. No one on TR has touched the surface of what Kanye has done. I'm not Stanning, I can theoretically see someone arguing that a rapper I hate such as Sadistik is better than Kanye (though I'd heavily disagree), but no TR rapper can be put in the same sentence.

I liked Kanye up to 808s. Of course no one on TR has touched the surface of Kanye fucking West's achievements That's ridiculous. We're amateurs. He's a professional rapper with an arsenal of tools at his disposal and fucking loads of experience. Can't believe you're comparing kids making music as a hobby to Kanye. C'mon. I shouldn't even have to respond to that.

4. I focus on money and fame, that's my problem? Oh, how wrong you are. For example, take Copywrite, who is neither rich, famous, or mainstream at all. I dislike him personally, think his music generally sucks, and think his lyrics come across as bitchy and self important. But guess what? He's doing things right. I can respect him as a functional music industry member, even if I don't respect him personally or musically. He does what he does well, no matter if I like it. Sure, they may have some fans in their towns, but that means nothing. I'm a fan of my old school's football team because it was my school, they are also the worst team in the league.

Well that's great, but some of us aren't in the mindset to care about breaking into the industry. Bar took that path and changed his entire output in order to fit it. It does happen. But I don't care about it.

The TR rappers are not doing anything well.

This is exactly what i'm talking about, you call this truthful, genuine criticism? All it is is vague claims that group every single rapper on this site into the same shitty barrel. And if that's your opinion then fine, but don't be so self-important to give it it's own thread like we should all say "my god he's right, why are we bothering?"

[Atone]

What you guys don't seem to understand is this, i am making music for me, not you, my music is a form a therapudic release for me, tp help ME get thru shit i deal with

and it just so happens that while i'm having fun with it, you guys may not like it, but there are people on twitter who retweet my shit, who ask for my links, i don't tell them to go to my links, they ask for them, and they continue to listen, and so far this month i'v gotten over 4,300 plays on my soundclick, obviously, that says something right there.

Ok, so you guys don't like it, cool, but i must be doing something right to be getting the positive feedback that i'm getting from everybody else, sure, King Gordy said my stuff was awful, but he also told me to keep goin, not that his opinion matters cuz last time i checked ppl were throwin rocks at booin him off stage at the gathering, so he don't have much room to talk.

and as i said, i'm not making this music for you, or King Gordy, i am making this music for me, and the people that actually do enjoy it, i wouldn't care if only 2 people liked my music, thats 2 more ppl than i aimed for, so you guys can make your silly post's and cracks about how awful i am, you can continue to mention me in your threads to take your lame shots at me about how much i suck, but you are wasting your time, because if i wasn doing this music for you, i would go out and spend $100 on a mic, and get a real studio and put out real music for Sale, instead, i give it all away for free, why? cuz i'm not doing this shit for money, i am doing it as a fix, cuz if i did not record music i wouldn't have a way to release, and i'd probab;y end up in the news for murder.

[mdemaz]

It's all good guys, I just enjoy the craft..

I just do it for the hopes of making a living from it...But I have a lot of fun and I get kicks out of people listening..
I don't care if I don't make it, I just wanna express myself and shit..

I don't give a fuck, I have many other things lined up like drum 'n' bass production and death metal because I'm open-minded, If this doesn't do anything, I won't worry..
I'll become a credible producer or a wicked guitarist...(Which I am already :P...)

But it would be still good to improve.

[Fleka]

Guys, be gratefull that you have internet, forums like this one, Youtube and all that stuff. You can find instrumentals for you to rap over so easily, you can share your lyrics and recorded stuff with eachother and help eachother to evolve and get better. You can have conversations over Skype and MSN with people from all over the world.

When I was 15 (12 years ago) and totally into rap music, I had none of that stuff. No internet, no TRShady, no Youtube. I didn`t know a single person in my city that was as much into rap as me. Nobody to talk to about the rhymes, lyrics, beats. It was imposible for me to get my hands on some instrumental and rap over it. I didn`t know anything about the flows, multies... because there as no place to go or a person to ask. My life has gone in a whole another direction and I am just a hip hop fan, I never tried to do anything. Today, you download a few programs, buy a 50$ mic, download some beats (people offer beats on forums like this one) and you got all that you need in your room.

So, do your thing and, who knows, maybe it will pay off. Keep writing and recording, be a critic to others and accept critics for your own work, give advice to people here and help eachother the best you can.

[Atone]

Guys, be gratefull that you have internet, forums like this one, Youtube and all that stuff. You can find instrumentals for you to rap over so easily, you can share your lyrics and recorded stuff with eachother and help eachother to evolve and get better. You can have conversations over Skype and MSN with people from all over the world.

When I was 15 (12 years ago) and totally into rap music, I had none of that stuff. No internet, no TRShady, no Youtube. I didn`t know a single person in my city that was as much into rap as me. Nobody to talk to about the rhymes, lyrics, beats. It was imposible for me to get my hands on some instrumental and rap over it. I didn`t know anything about the flows, multies... because there as no place to go or a person to ask. My life has gone in a whole another direction and I am just a hip hop fan, I never tried to do anything. Today, you download a few programs, buy a 50$ mic, download some beats (people offer beats on forums like this one) and you got all that you need in your room.

So, do your thing and, who knows, maybe it will pay off. Keep writing and recording, be a critic to others and accept critics for your own work, give advice to people here and help eachother the best you can.

This

[mdemaz]

Guys, be gratefull that you have internet, forums like this one, Youtube and all that stuff. You can find instrumentals for you to rap over so easily, you can share your lyrics and recorded stuff with eachother and help eachother to evolve and get better. You can have conversations over Skype and MSN with people from all over the world.

When I was 15 (12 years ago) and totally into rap music, I had none of that stuff. No internet, no TRShady, no Youtube. I didn`t know a single person in my city that was as much into rap as me. Nobody to talk to about the rhymes, lyrics, beats. It was imposible for me to get my hands on some instrumental and rap over it. I didn`t know anything about the flows, multies... because there as no place to go or a person to ask. My life has gone in a whole another direction and I am just a hip hop fan, I never tried to do anything. Today, you download a few programs, buy a 50$ mic, download some beats (people offer beats on forums like this one) and you got all that you need in your room.

So, do your thing and, who knows, maybe it will pay off. Keep writing and recording, be a critic to others and accept critics for your own work, give advice to people here and help eachother the best you can.

This

That reminds me, get the fuck on Skype with me Atone.
Mat Demaz or matdemaz or something....mdemaz or w/e..
Seriously, I've waited long enough!!!!!!!!!!!@!@!@!@!

[Guess_Who]

Mat Demaz or matdemaz or something....mdemaz or w/e..

O_o you made me laugh.

and wise words of Fleka.

[Trimss]

What you guys don't seem to understand is this, i am making music for me, not you, my music is a form a therapudic release for me, tp help ME get thru shit i deal with

and it just so happens that while i'm having fun with it, you guys may not like it, but there are people on twitter who retweet my shit, who ask for my links, i don't tell them to go to my links, they ask for them, and they continue to listen, and so far this month i'v gotten over 4,300 plays on my soundclick, obviously, that says something right there.

Ok, so you guys don't like it, cool, but i must be doing something right to be getting the positive feedback that i'm getting from everybody else, sure, King Gordy said my stuff was awful, but he also told me to keep goin, not that his opinion matters cuz last time i checked ppl were throwin rocks at booin him off stage at the gathering, so he don't have much room to talk.

and as i said, i'm not making this music for you, or King Gordy, i am making this music for me, and the people that actually do enjoy it, i wouldn't care if only 2 people liked my music, thats 2 more ppl than i aimed for, so you guys can make your silly post's and cracks about how awful i am, you can continue to mention me in your threads to take your lame shots at me about how much i suck, but you are wasting your time, because if i wasn doing this music for you, i would go out and spend $100 on a mic, and get a real studio and put out real music for Sale, instead, i give it all away for free, why? cuz i'm not doing this shit for money, i am doing it as a fix, cuz if i did not record music i wouldn't have a way to release, and i'd probab;y end up in the news for murder.

Dude, you know I never hate on you just for the sake of it but after that big ass post I came to a conclusion. Here it is:
- You're still off beat.

And I know it's because you don't really understand how to be on beat or what that does even mean, and I feel like you i'm still struggling to flow right. But having people supporting you doesn't really mean you're good, or do something right.

I mean being ON BEAT is the more IMPORTANT step in a rap song. Look at Bizarre, his rhymes are mainly shit but he still manages to stay on the beat and tries to flow. No multies, but he still does it. What does that mean ? That means you have to do it. Not rap like you're reading, or if you have a shitty ass mic, and not spit too close of the mic.

Hit the snare with the end of line rhyme and that'd be a cool step. I'm actually trying to do it too.

If people here hate on you it's not because they hate you, it just pisses them off that everytime you post a song here you never take advices, you never post back in the thread like Ax-D said. Change that mentality, try to listen to what we say and you'll be really better.

When you do really bad tracks, they give you a lot of criticism. Then when all the criticism helped you to improve, they'll give you a more "in deep" one. Like "Sometimes it seems like your chasing the snare, and you're too fast" is better than "there's no flow at all"

Now keep that in mind. Maybe you got 4000 views a month but if you actually listen to what we say you'll get more than that.

READ THIS MOFO !