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Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby EminemBase » Aug 28th, '13, 21:22

_Hawk_ wrote:
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Eminem is way more artistically creative than Dr. Dre


This is a big exaggeration.

Em has made more conceptual songs which are more artistically expressive than any Dre has made, but in terms of being artistically creative in producing an album, Dre knocks Em out of the water.

Listen to 2001 all the way though and note how seamlessly that album joins up. The phone-call at the end of Big-Ego's joins fluidly with Explosive. The lightspeed instrumental is an awesome resting point in the album. The whole production was may before its time. It may have been gangsta rap, but the way Dre was experimenting with strings, samples and off-the-wall features really threw himself into his own genre. 2001 was a big inspiration for Kanye West's soul-rap aspirations. 2001 was not soul, but it had a soul. It was gangsta at heart, but it drew inspiration from a collection of musical genres.
I am not suggesting that Em has never drawn inspiration like Dre did, but Em does not have an album that runs as flawlessly as Dre's do. (please do not mention Relapse as it really doesn't run a fluid narrative)

I peg Dre for his creativity in the same way I peg Kanye. They both produce albums which exist best listened to as an overall artistic piece; whilst you can listen to an Eminem album on shuffle and still walk away with the same emotions.


But I think it takes more ingenuity to write "Stan" than anything Dre has done.

Regardless of the production brilliance of Dre... it's essentially knowing what he wants to hear and tweaking sounds, and yes there's psychology intertwined in terms of what he wants people to hear and why but... nothing in the way of something like "Stan" or in fact any of Em's good material.

To say Dre is more creative than Em is just absurd.

Dre is a perfectionist, and a great producer but he's not a GENIUS. I don't think anything he's done is like OMFGGGGG, WTF, THIS IS... HOLY SHIT!!!... and even if he has done that on a production-level for some beat-fiends here... no, creativity-wise... Em takes the mother fucking biscuit... barrel; he's a GENIUS writer (At his best), Dre is a great producer, but not an artistic genius IMO.
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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby Kill You » Aug 28th, '13, 21:37

I have a feeling he made the music, and named it MMLP 2. I really think there's a good reason that he named it that. Maybe the music is quite similar, who knows. Or maybe he just brings that same attitude and fierceness to the table.
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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby unbound88 » Aug 28th, '13, 22:55

I wouldn't think too hard about Dre "allowing" Em to release a sequel record, as it's been mentioned isn't 2001 the sequel to the original Chronic? So he's prolly not THAT much against sequels, he was ready to produce Relapse 2 anyway wasn't he? Also if Dre is going to "allow" Em to release a bunch of those songs on Encore and "allow" Em to record and put "Fack" on his Greatest Hits release I wouldn't get the idea in your the head that Dre is "allowing" Em to be the exception or because the music is so good or something.
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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby Shuttle Destroyer » Aug 29th, '13, 18:01

kkaniff wrote:Its been known Dre takes credit for beats he didn't produce. I'm like, you don't produce, and you obviously cant rap to save your life, then what the hell use are you.
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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby Brigitte » Aug 29th, '13, 21:47

ladelsofgravy wrote:Dre is an excellent producer, though I suspect a bulk of the work is done by people under him and he just mixes the final version. As a rapper, he almost never wrote his own lyrics, and when he did, it could surely show. Also, he went from being against drugs to pretending to be a pothead to sell more albums, and that's... LAAAAAMMMEEE!!!!

And lastly, I don't consider the Chronic or 2001 to be 10/10 albums.


This may be a dumb question, but does Dre actually mix stuff himself? Or is he directing an audio engineer? Like I work in TV production and I direct edits and audio sessions but I have no clue how to sit on the deck myself and do it. I just tell my mixer "more of this less of that" and the production is a collaboration.
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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby Trimss » Aug 29th, '13, 21:48

Dre does both. He can mix it himself but I think as he got older he got lazier.
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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby geoff » Aug 29th, '13, 23:41

Worried we might get dubstep beats "cough" forgot about dre
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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby Brigitte » Aug 29th, '13, 23:48

Trimss wrote:Dre does both. He can mix it himself but I think as he got older he got lazier.


Thanks! That's pretty cool that he can mix himself. Then he definitely knows what he's talking about when directing others.
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Re: Something Strange I Noticed With MMLP2

Postby emchick » Sep 2nd, '13, 12:58

EminemBase wrote:"he's okay with it"... lmao... Dre doesn't control Em, he's not his dad ffs lmao.


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