Single choice for relapse

[Devil'sAdvocate]

it was the only choice.

the multies and lyrics in we made you are top notch tho.

[slimshadylappin]

Im not saying We Made You is good. im saying that it was the best choice for Relapse's single

[EminemBase]

One of the worst choices he ever made was to put "Beautiful" on Relapse.

Ruined the fucking album for me. Again, not because the song is that bad, but it's totally out of context, it's for an entirely different sound an album, it's a big detraction because of just how different it is. It just sounds wrong there and takes away from the 'album' / overall feel.

I suspect that Em was in fact using this "I put it on there to remind me" bullshit as an excuse / cover for the reality which probably was, Interscope needed some kind of commercial guarantee so that song was the fallback song. Because everything else was about murder and rape, so after the celeb-jibing he needed the usual, emotive pull in. But that should of been "Deja Vu".

I also think it was slightly calculated and considered because, I think he did all the Relapse shit but because it was extreme and experimental, he put "Beautiful" there as a test, to see if people hated the new shit but loved that. So that if they did, he could switch to that. And what happened after the mixed reaction? Despite him initially saying he didn't want to complain or be emotional = he made an album in the vein of "Beautiful" - rock samples, singing and emotion. Because that's what got the best reaction. That's a fail for him as an artist, he's compromising for other people's needs.

Just like he used drugs as an excuse for Encore and Relapse lmao. Notice how, he's basically never once taken responsibility for a bad move or thing he's done. I don't believe him "coming out" of this 'drug zone' was the reason for Relapse. If you watch the interviews around then he was the same guy, he absolutely knew what he was doing, he wasn't slap-happy, and he obviously thought about it a lot - the sheer detail of the lyrics proves it. It's very calculated.

So when it got a mixed reaction, he bowed to pressure to give people what they wanted - emotional realism and bitching. And then pretended Relapse was a mistake.

But I bet he loves it.

"We Made You" isn't even bad. It's totally exageratted how 'bad' that song is. If you actually listen to it, with predujice or hate for his 'celeb format' aside, the actual rhyming and flow etc. are very good. And he pokes fun at himself again, the only shit bit was the fart.

But, the only thing which ruined it was the video.

I think it should of gone like this...
1. Taking My Ball (in place of "We Made You")
2. 3am
3. Medicine Ball
4. Deja Vu

With very artsy, committed, visually interesting videos for all of them. Relapse could of been a masterpeice, he fucked it up by being half-hearted with a few things and not being committed to his vision and just doing what he wanted. He should learn from Kanye.

The songs from Relapse are so descriptive and surreal, and it's such a unique style that, seriously committed visuals with the right songs could of resulted in a major highpoints for him as an artist. And something very special. I'm actually annoyed at how it's wasted now.

[j04370859]

One of the worst choices he ever made was to put "Beautiful" on Relapse.

Ruined the fucking album for me. Again, not because the song is that bad, but it's totally out of context, it's for an entirely different sound an album, it's a big detraction because of just how different it is. It just sounds wrong there and takes away from the 'album' / overall feel.

I suspect that Em was in fact using this "I put it on there to remind me" bullshit as an excuse / cover for the reality which probably was, Interscope needed some kind of commercial guarantee so that song was the fallback song. Because everything else was about murder and rape, so after the celeb-jibing he needed the usual, emotive pull in. But that should of been "Deja Vu".

I also think it was slightly calculated and considered because, I think he did all the Relapse shit but because it was extreme and experimental, he put "Beautiful" there as a test, to see if people hated the new shit but loved that. So that if they did, he could switch to that. And what happened after the mixed reaction? Despite him initially saying he didn't want to complain or be emotional = he made an album in the vein of "Beautiful" - rock samples, singing and emotion. Because that's what got the best reaction. That's a fail for him as an artist, he's compromising for other people's needs.

Just like he used drugs as an excuse for Encore and Relapse lmao. Notice how, he's basically never once taken responsibility for a bad move or thing he's done. I don't believe him "coming out" of this 'drug zone' was the reason for Relapse. If you watch the interviews around then he was the same guy, he absolutely knew what he was doing, he wasn't slap-happy, and he obviously thought about it a lot - the sheer detail of the lyrics proves it. It's very calculated.

So when it got a mixed reaction, he bowed to pressure to give people what they wanted - emotional realism and bitching. And then pretended Relapse was a mistake.

But I bet he loves it.

"We Made You" isn't even bad. It's totally exageratted how 'bad' that song is. If you actually listen to it, with predujice or hate for his 'celeb format' aside, the actual rhyming and flow etc. are very good. And he pokes fun at himself again, the only shit bit was the fart.

But, the only thing which ruined it was the video.

I think it should of gone like this...
1. Taking My Ball (in place of "We Made You")
2. 3am
3. Medicine Ball
4. Deja Vu

With very artsy, committed, visually interesting videos for all of them. Relapse could of been a masterpeice, he fucked it up by being half-hearted with a few things and not being committed to his vision and just doing what he wanted. He should learn from Kanye.

The songs from Relapse are so descriptive and surreal, and it's such a unique style that, seriously committed visuals with the right songs could of resulted in a major highpoints for him as an artist. And something very special. I'm actually annoyed at how it's wasted now.

I agree that beautiful should of been saved for a more emotional album but no way did it ruin it you must be crazy. Why do you think he doesn't like relapse just because of what other people think seriously he already gave his reason why he didn't like it. Of course he was happy with it when he put it out but people do change there opinions.

[Eminem33]

LOL without Beautiful Relapse doesn't sell half of what it did. It's also one of his best songs. Haters gon hate.

[j04370859]

LOL without Beautiful Relapse doesn't sell half of what it did. It's also one of his best songs. Haters gon hate.

One of his best? In terms of...don't get me wrong, it's a really good song for what it is, but one of his best? I can't agree with that.

It's got the emotional value and the storytelling in the third verse - which was shamefully excluded from the video.

It is one of his best. I don't get it so third third verse wasn't in the video it was on the actuall album so what's your point?

[slimsoxshady]

I made a top 20 Em songs of all time a few weeks ago and Beautiful was #10 so if anything, it made Relapse better for me

[EminemBase]

^ I don't think Beautiful was really that out of place, aside from his voice. I think it comes in well after Deja Vu, chronologically.

It sounds totally out of place.

How other people can not understand or see what I mean is dumbfounding to me.

Every other track is a lively bombastic Dre beat, all particular and one sound, all from the same session. And all the flows are tricky or of a certain tone, again all from the same session - all work together, all sound like they should be on the album and together (CAB aside)...

Then "Beautiful", he wrote some of it in 2005 and he sounds like 2005 / When I'm Gone also. It's also an Eminem beat, with a fucking Queen sample - couldn't sound further apart from the rest of the tracks, the flow and lyrics couldn't either.

"Deja Vu" works because it still sounds like the rest of the album.

"Beautiful" totally fucking ruins it. It would be like having "My Name Is" on The Eminem Show or... "Mosh" on The Slim Shady LP. It would just sound ridiculously out of place. I guess other people just don't care about whole album sound as much as me. It's fucking worlds apart from the other songs.

It sounds like a different rapper had a song on the album. The Eminem of "Beautiful" is a different rapper than the Eminem of "Stay Wide Awake", and too different to place side by side. If Relapse was Eminem's green hat, "Beautiful" was its orange bill.

[AnalKiddo]

Who cares it was successful

[EminemBase]

LOL without Beautiful Relapse doesn't sell half of what it did. It's also one of his best songs. Haters gon hate.

Who gives a fuck. I'm into art not sales.

I'm into the value of the album as a whole, how it's executed, how the songs are written - things which matter. I couldn't give a shit if Relapse sold 100 copies in its 1st week.

I'm a fan of Eminem the artist not Eminem the commercial figure.

It's nowhere near one of his best songs. It's a good song, but almost every song off each of his first three are better, so that's not even close. And you didn't read what I wrote either, I didn't dispute its quality - that has zero to do with what I'm saying. Doesn't matter if the song was a masterpiece, my point was it sounds nothing like the rest of the album and sticks out and breaks the feel.

And, I'm not a "hater" I wouldn't be on a fucking Eminem forum if I was a "hater". Learn to have real discussions, grow the fuck up.

[ScottMurray]

Well it wouldnt have been a classic Eminem comeback without destroying other celebritys

I actually watched the video for WMY yesterday for the first time in ages and it had me laughing like fuck Its actually his funniest video i think

[Satire]

We Made You, Crack A Bottle (Too bad they fucked this up), Hello and Old Time's Sake all would have been good choices for singles.

Trust me, with that delivery, he wouldn't have made it in the Top 20 like he did with We Made You. His delivery on Hello is dull and boring (lyrics are spot on 100%) and the beat is okay, but the tempo was far too low to make any kind of impact. We Made You was fairly popular, some people liked it, some didn't. Relapse would not have been as successful as it was without We Made You

Trust me, the first single for Em's comeback album after 5 years is going to reach the top 20, no matter what kind of delivery he takes with it lmfao. Did you turn on the radio in 2009? People like slow tempo shit with a good beat, filler verses and a ridiculously simple hook. Hello would have been just as popular as We Made You as a single if he threw in a couple of celebrity hits and a music video. It even portrayed the message he was trying to go for: The reintroduction of Slim Shady.

That being said, Relapse's success hardly had anything to do with singles. Crack A Bottle had a shit load of success on the boards but it didn't translate to radio play and it had a shitty music video that no one even knew about. A hit single like "Not Afraid" or even better "Love The Way You Lie" would have helped, but Relapse didn't have that.

Eminem is one of the highest selling musicians ever who had a 5 year hiatus away from touring and solo work. Him making a solo album after all of the bullshit, drama, and rumors that circulated around him during those 5 years alone will sell an album with 500k+. If anything, the singles might have hurt the sales because they portrayed an image that the general public was disappointed in (Horrorcore, celebrity humor, accents)

[buffalo bill]

We Made You was the only logical choice for the first single.

Yes, and same thing with Not Afraid for Recovery, even though I like neither song.

That's irrelevant, we're talking about why We Made You was the right choice for first single. Not debating the song itself

Yes, I know that. I agreed that it was.

[IrishShady]

I would still choose Beautiful.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

We Made You, Crack A Bottle (Too bad they fucked this up), Hello and Old Time's Sake all would have been good choices for singles.

Trust me, with that delivery, he wouldn't have made it in the Top 20 like he did with We Made You. His delivery on Hello is dull and boring (lyrics are spot on 100%) and the beat is okay, but the tempo was far too low to make any kind of impact. We Made You was fairly popular, some people liked it, some didn't. Relapse would not have been as successful as it was without We Made You

Trust me, the first single for Em's comeback album after 5 years is going to reach the top 20, no matter what kind of delivery he takes with it lmfao. Did you turn on the radio in 2009? People like slow tempo shit with a good beat, filler verses and a ridiculously simple hook. Hello would have been just as popular as We Made You as a single if he threw in a couple of celebrity hits and a music video. It even portrayed the message he was trying to go for: The reintroduction of Slim Shady.

That being said, Relapse's success hardly had anything to do with singles. Crack A Bottle had a shit load of success on the boards but it didn't translate to radio play and it had a shitty music video that no one even knew about. A hit single like "Not Afraid" or even better "Love The Way You Lie" would have helped, but Relapse didn't have that.

Eminem is one of the highest selling musicians ever who had a 5 year hiatus away from touring and solo work. Him making a solo album after all of the bullshit, drama, and rumors that circulated around him during those 5 years alone will sell an album with 500k+. If anything, the singles might have hurt the sales because they portrayed an image that the general public was disappointed in (Horrorcore, celebrity humor, accents)

I don't listen to the radio, but anything with Eminem's name on it will sell, so you're right about that