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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby cityfan31 » Feb 18th, '11, 01:43

EminemBase wrote:I agree about the ice tea commercial. As for making shit songs, well... not everybody thinks they're shit and he stayed true to himself on them - sure, the recent punchlines are questionable and sometimes plain bad but, that's a failure not a compromise, I think the latter is the only true vulnerability.

He's never been really open to attack with many things such as failure or his character flaws because he insults himself too, he's very self-deprecating, honest and brutal but...

Yes - the ice tea ad was a turning point. That's why it annoyed me so much. I now realize the Chrysler ad was, it wasn't just an ad, I get it - it's acceptable. But, at this point... to just randomly endorse ice tea, even though the ad was ironic, so what, it's so stupid. Before that he could proudly claim to never have slapped his name on product and nobody could truly ever call him a sell-out and justify it logically. But they absolutely can now. And so silly, at this point, this stage... already a legend, why do it.


What did you make of fly away?

And I more or less agree with what you said in this post.
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby ShadyVsEminem » Feb 18th, '11, 01:47

If someone went at him he might beef,the Warning was a pretty brutal diss record to put Mariah in her place after she made what looked like Em get hit with a bus in her video

^Fly Away aint even finished and because of that Arabian attention whore it never will be
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby EminemBase » Feb 18th, '11, 01:48

cityfan31 wrote:
EminemBase wrote:I agree about the ice tea commercial. As for making shit songs, well... not everybody thinks they're shit and he stayed true to himself on them - sure, the recent punchlines are questionable and sometimes plain bad but, that's a failure not a compromise, I think the latter is the only true vulnerability.

He's never been really open to attack with many things such as failure or his character flaws because he insults himself too, he's very self-deprecating, honest and brutal but...

Yes - the ice tea ad was a turning point. That's why it annoyed me so much. I now realize the Chrysler ad was, it wasn't just an ad, I get it - it's acceptable. But, at this point... to just randomly endorse ice tea, even though the ad was ironic, so what, it's so stupid. Before that he could proudly claim to never have slapped his name on product and nobody could truly ever call him a sell-out and justify it logically. But they absolutely can now. And so silly, at this point, this stage... already a legend, why do it.


What did you make of fly away?

And I more or less agree with what you said in this post.


I like both verses of "Fly Away" and the production.

Chorus is a reference of course but, I think with a little re-write, shortening and performance from B.o.B or Cudi of it, song would amount to a classic. Maybe a bridge from Em too.

I don't like how much Just Blaze seems to sample but... his "Cold Wind Blows" beat is classic and the "Fly Away" beat is nice and, they sound like they're from the same album. I'd of preferred Em just worked with Just Blaze and some musicians, to hone one sound.

The biggest complaint from everyone is that the album is inconsistent, and that's due to the amount of producers, it feels random. When in fact, the tracks / order are no more random than any of his albums, it's just that his other albums - all the beats meshed, they were from a handful of producers or musicians all working towards the same sound.

I don't think it's themes which make an album inconsistent, as his first three have many - I think it's lack of MUSICAL consistency that makes them feel random. Also style(s) of course, that's one thing he always gets right. Apart from when he stuck "Beautiful" on Relapse, sounds ridiculous on there. I think if Just has produced it all with Em, it could of been a lot lot better. The music is the backbone and if the backbone is out of shape the posture is a mess. Having said that, Recovery sounds more consistent to me overtime, it all seems to gel in some strange way but...

I still think it would of been significantly better with just a few of them working towards a single sound. Too many different sounds / producers.
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby Gorila » Feb 18th, '11, 01:50

EminemInsider wrote:
One Mic wrote:
EminemInsider wrote:He has plenty to gain.

He's lost a TON of respect from the underground fans. He'd gain a lot of it back if he actually tore someone a new asshole.

It's 2011, he is 38 years old. His daughters are of an age where they are totally aware of what is going on, he's been through enough drama, 2 hours away from dying, loss of Proof etc. Like he is going to go all out and start a beef (or respond to a track), what is the point?

I'm sure he would much rather sustain his career, and make sure that people actually want to buy his music, and go see him perform live etc.

Having a LONG, successful career >>>>>> pleasing a small minority of people


I thought Eminem actually cared about "hip hop" and "wanted the respect" from the real "hip hop heads?"

Could've sworn that was what he was all about before the pills ruined him.
I think human beings change through time.......Em was not gonna stay as he did back then, i think you should deal with it and stop trying to sound all smart when discussing Em's current music situation. Eminem doing a commercial does not = selling out, he needs to market himself, all of you guys are stuck in that I Just Don't Give a Fuck attitude... That does not exist anymore, Em should do whatever he wants now, he established himself.
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby One Mic » Feb 18th, '11, 01:58

EminemBase, you're going way OTT with the "selling out" ice-tea ad.

I know what you're going to say, I've read your earlier posts on the subject, but come on! You argue that "attaching your name to a product and endorsing it when it has nothing to do with your art" is selling out right? Name me a music artist (that has been successful) who HASN'T endorsed a product once in their lifetime, at some stage....you won't find many.

MICHAEL JACKSON endorsed Pepsi, and did a commercial for them.

ELVIS PRESLEY endorsed some donuts, and did a commercial for them.

Have their reputations been tarnished by those ads? Of course not, to the masses of people in the world, they are music legends.

Stop getting so stressed, it really isn't a big deal.
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby Gorila » Feb 18th, '11, 02:03

One Mic wrote:EminemBase, you're going way OTT with the "selling out" ice-tea ad.

I know what you're going to say, I've read your earlier posts on the subject, but come on! You argue that "attaching your name to a product and endorsing it when it has nothing to do with your art" is selling out right? Name me a music artist (that has been successful) who HASN'T endorsed a product once in their lifetime, at some stage....you won't find many.

MICHAEL JACKSON endorsed Pepsi, and did a commercial for them.

ELVIS PRESLEY endorsed some donuts, and did a commercial for them.

Have their reputations been tarnished by those ads? Of course not, to the masses of people in the world, they are music legends.

Stop getting so stressed, it really isn't a big deal.
This :y: Grown man should not care what other grown man do, its his life and he/she should live them how they want to. Especially when you already established yourself as an artist...
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby AnalKiddo » Feb 18th, '11, 02:08

He has an army of rappers defending him, who the fuck would want to diss him?
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Cause the shit I hear is crazy
But your either getting lazy or you don't believe in you no more
Seems like your own opinions, not one you can form
Cant make a decision you keep questioning yourself
Second guessing and its almost like your begging for my help

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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby shadyboymez » Feb 18th, '11, 02:09

EminemBase wrote:
I like both verses of "Fly Away" and the production.

Chorus is a reference of course but, I think with a little re-write, shortening and performance from B.o.B or Cudi of it, song would amount to a classic. Maybe a bridge from Em too.

I don't like how much Just Blaze seems to sample but... his "Cold Wind Blows" beat is classic and the "Fly Away" beat is nice and, they sound like they're from the same album. I'd of preferred Em just worked with Just Blaze and some musicians, to hone one sound.

The biggest complaint from everyone is that the album is inconsistent, and that's due to the amount of producers, it feels random. When in fact, the tracks / order are no more random than any of his albums, it's just that his other albums - all the beats meshed, they were from a handful of producers or musicians all working towards the same sound.

I don't think it's themes which make an album inconsistent, as his first three have many - I think it's lack of MUSICAL consistency that makes them feel random. Also style(s) of course, that's one thing he always gets right. Apart from when he stuck "Beautiful" on Relapse, sounds ridiculous on there. I think if Just has produced it all with Em, it could of been a lot lot better. The music is the backbone and if the backbone is out of shape the posture is a mess. Having said that, Recovery sounds more consistent to me overtime, it all seems to gel in some strange way but...

I still think it would of been significantly better with just a few of them working towards a single sound. Too many different sounds / producers.


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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby N.E.R.O. » Feb 18th, '11, 02:13

Eminem Base Said:

Before that he could proudly claim to never have slapped his name on product and nobody could truly ever call him a sell-out and justify it logically.


Well Um Except For The Ipod Commercial :whistle: ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chzdR7K58RI

As For The Sell-Out:
Wikipedia :coffee: :
The Real Slim Shady" was not included on the original copy of The Marshall Mathers LP before its release. Interscope Records Jimmy Iovine wanted Eminem to have a song to introduce the album, similar to the way "My Name Is" was the first single on The Slim Shady LP.

To Me It's Sell-Out To Be On Your Labels Boss' Dick Knowing All He Cares About Is SELLING..
Or Rapping That You Pee (Rihanna) And Tickle (P!nk) Somebody In A Humiliating Manner And Then Collaborate With Them For The Sake Of Popularity :facepalm2 ..

I Think Eminem Is At A Place Right Now Where It Would Probably Be Viewed As Bad Taste Or Jealousy For Anyone To Diss Him.. Being The Saint He Is Recovering From Americas Enemy #1 Prescription Pills :worship: ..

But If They Discover That His Bulging Eyes And Excited Behaviour Comes From Cocaine They Probably Gon Crucify Him On TMZ :happy: ...
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby HereHere » Feb 18th, '11, 02:17

N.E.R.O. wrote:
Well Um Except For The Ipod Commercial... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chzdR7K58RI

As For The Sell-Out:
Wikipedia:
The Real Slim Shady" was not included on the original copy of The Marshall Mathers LP before its release. Interscope Records Jimmy Iovine wanted Eminem to have a song to introduce the album, similar to the way "My Name Is" was the first single on The Slim Shady LP.

To Me It's Sell-Out To Be On Your Labels Boss' Dick Knowing All He Cares About Is SELLING..
Or Rapping That You Pee (Rihanna) And Tickle (P!nk) Somebody In A Humiliating Manner And Then Collaborate With Them For The Sake Of Popularity..

I Think Eminem Is At A Place Right Now Where It Would Probably Be Viewed As Bad Taste Or Jealousy For Anyone To Diss Him.. Being The Saint He Is Recovering From Americas Enemy #1 Prescription Pills..

But If They Discover That His Bulging Eyes And Excited Behaviour Comes From Cocaine They Probably Gon Crucify Him On TBZ...


Uhh...he didn't diss Rhianna, or Pink, especially not Pink. Saying that he'd rather have Pink tickle him is more of a compliment than an insult. I mean, it's not either really, it's just nothing.
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby ShadyVsEminem » Feb 18th, '11, 02:28

Never seen that itunes commercial but its advertising Curtain Call?
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby Elision » Feb 18th, '11, 02:28

Don't be naive, Em is a vicious lyricist. Just because he hasn't been detonating doesn't mean he isn't the atom bomb of hiphop.
i'm comin in, drivin my short bus
with this nose i don't need a torch up
bustin through, light the industry's porsche up
comin after who didn't support us...
imma change your brain bring
every wicked bit of strange to mainstream
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby AJS2050 » Feb 18th, '11, 02:30

Can't see any powerful hip-hop artist ever coming at Em in this day and age anyway to be honest and the only disses towards him will come from people like Haystack.
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby mdemaz » Feb 18th, '11, 02:31

I agree a bit...
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Re: Eminem is more vulnerable to attack now than he ever was

Postby EminemBase » Feb 18th, '11, 02:38

N.E.R.O. wrote:Well Um Except For The Ipod Commercial :whistle: ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chzdR7K58RI


Yeah and well um, did you happen to look into that? Because I think you'll find Eminem sued Apple for using "Lose Yourself" in that commercial, without his permission. :whistle:

N.E.R.O. wrote:As For The Sell-Out:
Wikipedia :coffee: :
The Real Slim Shady" was not included on the original copy of The Marshall Mathers LP before its release. Interscope Records Jimmy Iovine wanted Eminem to have a song to introduce the album, similar to the way "My Name Is" was the first single on The Slim Shady LP.


And what's wrong with that? Writing a song to be a hit (providing it isn't the sole aim and doesn't steam-roll the subject-matter) is not selling-out it's common sense. Eminem obviously wants people to hear his music else he wouldn't of chose it as a career. Selling WITHIN your own art, on your terms is the name of the game, it's an upshot. But essential.

So, writing a song with a slightly broader sound for the sake of hooking people in, to buy the album is a logical thing to do. It's a compromise but not a total compromise and not of his integrity, examine the lyrics of those songs, did he not stay true to himself or his character?...

It's within his own art. All he did was make the songs 'bigger' and slightly catchier, though all his songs are catchy. He obviously wants people to buy his albums, why wouldn't you... you want people to hear your work. And he expressed his annoyance with having to provide hits in "The Way I Am", on the same album. Which was totally honest, brutal artistic expression.

N.E.R.O. wrote:To Me It's Sell-Out To Be On Your Labels Boss' Dick Knowing All He Cares About Is SELLING.. Or Rapping That You Pee (Rihanna) And Tickle (P!nk) Somebody In A Humiliating Manner And Then Collaborate With Them For The Sake Of Popularity :facepalm2 ..


Well you say that like a record-label boss has a choice in not caring about selling...

Quite obviously Jimmy Iovine cares about more than selling and for the most part lets the artist be whatever they want to be. Hence Eminem's career, hence Lady GaGa.

But at the same time, OF COURSE he needs them to sell. How do you expect a record label to stay afloat with no income? a record label is a business and a business needs a turnover, to create more business, to provide the distribution. So aiming to sell, AS A BUSINESS, is not selling-out, it's the only viable option for existence.

And as for Eminem complying to that, what's the alternative? Refuse to create a catchy single and have nobody here your music, end up broke and be unknown... integrity is commendable and he's highly integral, but it only goes so far. You still have to play the rules at some point, to have a voice. So in that position, of course he's going to create a hit to create the success. But for the most part, it's all on his own terms and even the hits are barely compromised.

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As for the Rihanna comment :facepalm

I cannot believe how dumb people are in respects to this. What happened to Rihanna? She got beaten black and blue by Chris Brown and she was one of the most public, high-profile victims of domestic abuse in recent times, since Tina fucking Turner.

And Eminem chose to use her on?... a song about DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

Do you seriously think that's a coincidence. Given that he's done the same kind of things many times and it's his main secret weapon, artistically. Such as performing with Elton John in front of GLAAD protesters at the height of homophobia claims and misunderstanding...

So, of course he probably thought using her would make the song big but there's nothing wrong with that if there's an artistic aim at the root. And the fact he paired a very high-profile domestic violence victim who happens to be a globally recognized singer, on the chorus of a realistic and brutal domestic violence song, is a great great move.

And thinking he did it solely for popularity or not seeing the true aim, is... beyond missing the point. If you can't even see the obviousness in what he did there maybe you shouldn't be listening to Eminem nevermind analyzing and dismissing him. Because if you don't get that, I don't know what you do get. It's also heightened given the view of him as a violent misogynist (at least in his music).

SO - To sum up...

Writing a catchier song, on your own terms, to introduce YOUR album, YOUR LIVING - YOUR ART, YOUR PASSION, to make it heard by more ears, or collaborating with artists you (as in you, not the artist) happen to dislike, for reasons other than the collaboration itself ie. artistic paradox...

Is NOOOOOOOOOOTHING <<<< Like slapping your name on a fucking ice tea ad for millions of dollars.

That's the fucking definition of selling-out. He literally loaned / SOLD-OOOUT - his name, loaned it out to a company and product he has no logical affiliation with and would not otherwise be affiliating with if not for the money. It doesn't get more clear-cut. And nothing that you mentioned, is even close or similar to that. He's done things in poor taste, he's been lazy, he's done all sorts. But he's never sold-out. Until then.
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