Defending Eminem

[Sekou]

^ Well so you wouldn't be able to defend him if I tell you that he cusses unnecessarily and makes hate music, if you replied with "what he says in his raps is still questionable"

And I would never range Hitler on the same level as Eminem, what I was trying to show with this comparison is that a huge number of believers can be terribly wrong about the person they're supporting.

[Sam.]

^ Well so you wouldn't be able to defend him if I tell you that he cusses unnecessarily and makes hate music, if you replied with "what he says in his raps is still questionable"

And I would never range Hitler on the same level as Eminem, what I was trying to show with this comparison is that a huge number of believers can be terribly wrong about the person they're supporting.

Well his music is questionable to those who can't see through his art and relate his words to his beliefs/nature ,being a Stan i would surely defend him to the extent that the person has a chance of understanding ,beyond which there would not point in waisting my time arguing with the likes of that person .

OR...

I'll ask that person to register here on http://forum.trshady.com/ .

[momentsgolden]

I would say this:

1) Name the other white rappers that made it to the iTunes top 100.

Exactly. Limb Bizkit, Beastie Boys, ICP, Vanilla Ice, Mac Miller. Yet, black people have sold millions- 2pac, Biggie, Micheal Jackson. (admittedly, he DOES sell coz he's white- it generates more interest than a black rapper and when people hear the skill they become fans. He said this on TES)

2) show me at least one sentence where he said 18 swearwords, then show me a rapper that doesn't swear.

not necessarily swear words but Eminem's vocabulary IS limited compared to other rappers. People like Tech N9ne, Jay Z, Chino Xl, Canibus So much he makes fun of people for using complex words. However, it does help to get his message across (2 pac for example) and he tones it down on certain tracks/albums - LTWYL/Relapse

3)After all, he worked with Dido, performed with Elton John, gave props to Shakira...

Missy Elliot, sampled Aerosmith, and gave props to christina aguilera way back then. My Name is, TRSS, Without Me were pop anyway thats why he debuted on Billboard.

4) Yes, he does have introspective/ Slim Shady tracks most of the time but he makes up for the lack of variety in content by the variety in style. No rapper could release Bad Meets Evil / Relapse ?recovery in 2 years which sound as distinctly different.

5) Play him The Kids[/quote]

[JamaicanPattlez]

1) So Vanilla Ice, Paul Wall, Bubba and Mac Miller achieved his success because he's white? Right, because actual SKILL doesn't matter right?


2) The man read and studied the dictionary, has a lot of street smarts, and has been at the top for over a decade. I'm pretty sure that would make someone intelligent.

3) Honestly, if it sounds great, who gives a fuck? People grow up. The man's almost 40, he's not going to see life the same in his 20s, with or without what happened to him.

4) Have you listened to all his CDs? Beginning to end? I'm pretty sure Deja Vu, Going Through Changes, White America, Mosh, Brain Damage, Yellow Brick Road and Stan didn't follow that road.

5) So where are the parents? If your child starts swearing because of him, be a parent and act accordingly. If your child does something stupid because of a man's voice, you failed as a parent. Your child should know better. Also, Parental Advisory stickers are there for a reason.



How I'd respond.

[WakeUpShow]

Imagine you got into a discussion with somebody about music, and the person you're talking to happens to be strictly against Eminem's music.
What would you, as Eminem-supporter, have to set against the following statements?

1) - "Eminem is only successful because he is white"

2) - "He feels the need to swear 18 times every sentence; he is an uneducated idiot"

3) - "Eminem is a sellout, he used to constantly hate on popstars and now he's working with Rihanna and Bruno Mars - what's next, Rebecca Black?"

4) - "All of his songs on any given CD are exactly the same, he is always angry and raps about hating women, homosexuals and his mother"

5) - "Eminem's music teaches kids curse words and teaches them to slander women and homosexuals, sending out a hateful message. He is a horrible role model"

1. What about the thousands of underground white rappers?
2. His vocabulary and grasp on poetic tools blows you out of the water, and the cursing is called shock value and it's obviously working because you're upset about it, plus it's a way of punctuating emotion.
3. Yeah, you're right.
4. + + slap
5. Yeah, because Jersey Shore, their parents, friends and every other rapper don't add to it.

[Blu]

1) - "Eminem is only successful because he is white"

Eminem admitted this. Being white helped him a lot in his career. But is not entirely true. When he was underground, why didn't other labels want him? Hmm? Because he was white.

2) - "He feels the need to swear 18 times every sentence; he is an uneducated idiot"

Swearing does not mean someone is uneducated. I swear all the time, does that mean I'm uneducated? I've heard a couple of my teachers swear sometimes, are they uneducated?

3) - "Eminem is a sellout, he used to constantly hate on popstars and now he's working with Rihanna and Bruno Mars - what's next, Rebecca Black?"

Last week I liked apple pie. This week I hate it! Opinions change all the time.

4) - "All of his songs on any given CD are exactly the same, he is always angry and raps about hating women, homosexuals and his mother"

Eminem raps strictly about his life. If there is a specific song on his album that talks about any of the three things you mentioned, it's because they had an impact on his life. His ex-wife Kim cheated on him (women). He doesn't have a problem with anyone, when he says "faggot" he simply means "asshole" (homosexuals). His mother was a serious drug addict and made his life miserable, I'll have you know that he forgave her and still loves her (mother).

5) - "Eminem's music teaches kids curse words and teaches them to slander women and homosexuals, sending out a hateful message. He is a horrible role model"

What about the millions of other rappers that use curse words? Do they not teach children to talk dirty? Eminem is not a teacher, he is simply an entertainer. Not ONCE in his songs has he said "go slap your mom and fuck her, too." He simply said HE'D do it. You know why? Because he's Slim Shady, bitch. He never stated ONCE that he's a role model. He even has a song stating how he ISN'T a role model. Oh boy..

I edited my answers in with the questions.

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Lol, I'm bored.

1) - "Eminem is only successful because he is white"

Basically what everybody else said in reply to this point. Firstly, his skin color has nothing to do with the fact that he's a talented lyricist. In addition, if being white sells records, why aren't rappers like Mac Miller as successful as Eminem? Being white did help him sell records early on in his career because his image was different from anything people had seen before, but if it were all about the gimmick, the effect would have worn off by now.

2) - "He feels the need to swear 18 times every sentence; he is an uneducated idiot"

Swearing doesn't necessarily indicate that he's uneducated. Certain words, in fact, he uses deliberately to get a reaction out of people who don't understand his music. Take "faggot" on The Marshall Mathers LP, for example. Critics (falsely) accused him of being homophobic after hearing him poke fun at gay people on The Slim Shady LP, so he made a conscious effort to say the word "faggot" frequently in an attempt to anger those critics who just didn't get it.

3) - "Eminem is a sellout, he used to constantly hate on popstars and now he's working with Rihanna and Bruno Mars - what's next, Rebecca Black?"

Anyway, Eminem used to diss pop stars because he felt the need to separate himself from them. As a serious rapper, he didn't want to be grouped with a bunch of pop acts, so he insulted them to show that he was a different case. Notice he isn't collaborating with the artists he insulted, like Britney Spears and 'NSYNC, but pop artists that he thinks are talented, like Pink. He worked with Rihanna because her history with domestic abuse fit with the content of the song.

4) - "All of his songs on any given CD are exactly the same, he is always angry and raps about hating women, homosexuals and his mother"

Whoever says this clearly hasn't listened to a single Eminem CD from start to finish. Any given CD? Okay, Relapse. 3 am is not "exactly the same" as Beautiful. The Slim Shady LP? Kill You is nothing like The Way I Am. Encore? Big Weenie and Like Toy Soldiers have completely different subject matters (and neither have much to do with homosexuals, his mother, or hating women).

5) - "Eminem's music teaches kids curse words and teaches them to slander women and homosexuals, sending out a hateful message. He is a horrible role model"

If you're a parent concerned about Eminem's influence on your child, then you should be a parent. If you raise your child properly, Eminem's remarks, no matter how "offensive," won't turn your child into a hateful monster. If you don't have children, then I don't know why you'd be worrying about that. There's a parental advisory sticker on each of his CDs for a reason. That obviously doesn't prevent kids from listening to his music, but that's what parents are for—parenting their children. Anyway, "[a]nybody with half a brain is going to be able to tell when [he's] joking and when [he's] serious."

[Manly Moose]

^ Valid points on 1) and 3)

The person would probably reply to 2) saying:

"If he has to use them to "help his flow and structure" and they "help him rap better", this only goes to show how uneducated he actually is and how he has to resort to the same cuss words all the time"

4) - "Fine, maybe it's just HIS style and a diversion from the same old gangsta rap, but it's idiotic how he always has to attack women and homosexuals, how can this hateful music be enjoyable?"

5) - "He knows exactly that little kids buy and listen to his music but he doesn't care. But of course he won't let his daughter listen to it. He sells a product aimed at young people and then bans it in his own home - that's hypocritical"

4) Dude, the answer isnt so black and white, try listening yourself if you don't consider yourself to be a prude when it comes to swears and see why its enjoyable. Em is very witty and very entertaining and he usually is playing a character when bashing people.

5) Its your job as a parent to regulate what your kid listens to, Eminem happens to be competent at parenting so he doesnt let his daughter listen to it. You have the power to do the exact same thing, and once again it isnt aimed at young people they just happened to like it.

[Relapse.]

Eminem needs to make a song about his fans.

We stick up for his ass all the time and it's not always easy.

Word.

[SoldierShady]

1) - Partly, yes. But it's mostly because he's able to maintain longevity/relevance.

2) - Listen to the complexity of all three Til' I Collapse verses for example, and tell me he's uneducated.

3) - He broke sales records in 2000 doing what he was doing. He broke record sales in 2011 doing what he's doing. I'm pretty sure his fans, his real fans, are still loyal regardless of who he's working with.

4) - Rock Bottom and Cum on Everybody...pretty different. Stan and Drug Ballad....pretty different. Business and Hailie's Song.....see where I'm going with this?

5) - Yes, yes it does.

[EminemInsider]

1) - "Eminem is only successful because he is white"

I can't take you or your opinion seriously after that statement. That's the statement made by someone who isn't even remotely informed...simply repeating what they've heard from other uninformed idiots. You shouldn't open your mouth when you don't know the first thing regarding what you're talking about. I've lost all respect for you as a human being.

2) - "He feels the need to swear 18 times every sentence; he is an uneducated idiot"

I can't take you or your opinion seriously after that statement. That's the statement made by someone who isn't even remotely informed...simply repeating what they've heard from other uninformed idiots. You shouldn't open your mouth when you don't know the first thing regarding what you're talking about. I've lost all respect for you as a human being.

3) - "Eminem is a sellout, he used to constantly hate on popstars and now he's working with Rihanna and Bruno Mars - what's next, Rebecca Black?"

Why is he a sell out NOW, after having been a millionaire for years and not selling out?

I don't know why he's working with these shitty pop stars, but it has nothing to do with selling out.

4) - "All of his songs on any given CD are exactly the same, he is always angry and raps about hating women, homosexuals and his mother"

I can't take you or your opinion seriously after that statement. That's the statement made by someone who isn't even remotely informed...simply repeating what they've heard from other uninformed idiots. You shouldn't open your mouth when you don't know the first thing regarding what you're talking about. I've lost all respect for you as a human being.

5) - "Eminem's music teaches kids curse words and teaches them to slander women and homosexuals, sending out a hateful message. He is a horrible role model"

I can't take you or your opinion seriously after that statement. That's the statement made by someone who isn't even remotely informed...simply repeating what they've heard from other uninformed idiots. You shouldn't open your mouth when you don't know the first thing regarding what you're talking about. I've lost all respect for you as a human being.

[EminemInsider]

I would say this:


2) show me at least one sentence where he said 18 swearwords, then show me a rapper that doesn't swear.

not necessarily swear words but Eminem's vocabulary IS limited compared to other rappers. People like Tech N9ne, Jay Z, Chino Xl, Canibus So much he makes fun of people for using complex words. However, it does help to get his message across (2 pac for example) and he tones it down on certain tracks/albums - LTWYL/Relapse

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EminemInsider

Nice answers lol.

I don't know why he's working with these shitty pop stars, but it has nothing to do with selling out.

Perfect way of putting it.

[notherwise1234]

1.Jay Z Sold close to Eminem and he is black
2. Swear words can be used to project emotion and mix the song up
3.Eminem has matured now that he is a father to 3 daughters
4.Eminem always talks about something different
5.so does everybody else s music and if kids are teenagers they find shit out regardless.

AND I LOVE THIS WEBSITE

IF EMINEM IS LOWER CASED IT CORRECTS IT!!! IT ACTUALLY HAS EMINEM NAME IN DATABASE

[J.R.]

Eminem needs to make a song about his fans.

We stick up for his ass all the time and it's not always easy.

FUCK THIS.

He needs to DISS his fans if anything. We've pushed him from TES > Recovery. We caused him to hate RELAPSE. Everything we like, we destroyed by bitching.