Interesting theory about Encore

[Amaranthine]

Encore is an ok album....fuck haters

Yeah, it's an "ok" album among the rest of Em's "THIS IS THE MOST AMAZING, WONDERFUL MASTERPIECE EVER" albums...

It's always hate along with relapse and recovery Relapse ha one of the best flows ever and recovery was magnificent.... Not afraid = best comeback song... Not afraid is oNE of my favorite dogs and I love the video.... Encore is always left out when it had two of eminem's best songs on there.... I just tried o people hatin on encore Its better than soulaj boy right?????

Agreed on Not Afraid, but that's irrelevant.

Encore does have a lot of good songs, but as a whole, the craptastic pieces of shit on it [Rain Man, Big Weenie, My First Single, Just Lose It, and Ass Like That] taint it horribly.

And as for "better than Soulja Boy"...well, yeah, it is, but you're missing the point of my post. When you compare Encore with any other album Em has put out, they ALL shit on it. SSLP, MMLP, TES, Relapse, and Recovery [the last are probably arguable depending on peoples' music tastes, but I love them both] are all miles ahead of Encore AS A WHOLE because of those shitty-ass songs that drag down peoples' impressions of the album. None of Em's other albums have a cluster of shitasticness like Encore does. Encore might be better than certain crappy "artists", but it is filth compared to Em's other work, and that's why it gets so much hate.

[illegalweapons]

Yeah, it's an "ok" album among the rest of Em's "THIS IS THE MOST AMAZING, WONDERFUL MASTERPIECE EVER" albums...

It's always hate along with relapse and recovery Relapse ha one of the best flows ever and recovery was magnificent.... Not afraid = best comeback song... Not afraid is oNE of my favorite dogs and I love the video.... Encore is always left out when it had two of eminem's best songs on there.... I just tried o people hatin on encore Its better than soulaj boy right????? [/quote]
Agreed on Not Afraid, but that's irrelevant.

Encore does have a lot of good songs, but as a whole, the craptastic pieces of shit on it [Rain Man, Big Weenie, My First Single, Just Lose It, and Ass Like That] taint it horribly.

And as for "better than Soulja Boy"...well, yeah, it is, but you're missing the point of my post. When you compare Encore with any other album Em has put out, they ALL shit on it. SSLP, MMLP, TES, Relapse, and Recovery [the last are probably arguable depending on peoples' music tastes, but I love them both] are all miles ahead of Encore AS A WHOLE because of those shitty-ass songs that drag down peoples' impressions of the album. None of Em's other albums have a cluster of shitasticness like Encore does. Encore might be better than certain crappy "artists", but it is filth compared to Em's other work, and that's why it gets so much hate.[/quote]
I like big weenie ... The beat is awesome I'm an Eminem Stan so I like all his albums

[Mr.DGAF]

Encore has left-overs from TES?

Rain-Man was gonna be on TES. He wrote it in 2001, you can tell because of the rhyming. He just thought that with the super strong message and real complex lyrics that he should leave it off of TES.

[mdemaz]

In his book he states that when his songs leaked out (the bonus tracks and a few more I think), he didn't know what to write anymore, and he was somewhere with Dr.Dre and while in booth he suddenly said "Raaaiiin Maaaan" and that's how some of the songs were made...

I don't quite remember exact.

That's desperate as fuck dude...I would of told the fans to shut up and give him more time to write, lmao.

[Amaranthine]

Encore has left-overs from TES?

Rain-Man was gonna be on TES. He wrote it in 2001, you can tell because of the rhyming. He just thought that with the super strong message and real complex lyrics that he should leave it off of TES.

LOL.

[SliK]

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[Manly Moose]

Probably not, but it would have been a good idea.

I think that in 2003 he was being effected by the drugs (obviously) but he wasnt fully drugged up like he was for Encore since there would be times that he could drop a good verse like in Patiently Waiting,so maybe Love You More, and We As Americans were written in that time frame.

[EminemBase]

I don't think so. First of all, it wasn't that sudden...

The Eminem Show came out in June 2002. Encore came in November 2004.

That's nearly two and a half years.

Secondly, Em said he had been sitting on that title for a while for the next album.

And finally - Those shitty songs on there were made as replacements for leaked tracks. Without those, and with the originally intended tracks ("Love You More", "Bully", "We As Americans") on the album, Encore is a solid album. Not a classic, but it would of been a solid 7/10.

I remember reading about it, oh yeah, in his book (The Way I Am). About how those silly tracks were made after some leaked or something, not sure if he was that specific but I remember him mentioning the leaks and those tracks.

I also think maybe that Interscope told him the album was a bit too serious after already having the majorly serious The Eminem Show. As without those silly tracks, and with the originally intended ones, it's a very serious album. Encore has become known as a silly album due to those silly few which got made to replace leaks.

So maybe Jimmy and co. urged him to lighten it up a bit or something. Which could be why the silly tracks sound forced and empty like he's doing it for the sake of it. That actually sounds likely to me, and I'd never thought of it like that before either...

As The Eminem Show and 2002 was his BIG mainstream year. When he truly became gigantic but also ACCEPTED by mainstream critics and audiences as a legitmate artist and not just a foul-mouthed rapper. So I bet there was a heightened control and sense of appealing to certain fan bases at Interscope after that, and has been since (cough, Recovery).

[Devil'sAdvocate]

No.

[Sam.]

None of those songs can be a "TES" left over .They are pure Encore material.
Love You More is a possibility but the voice is different .

We As Americans and Love You More were actually released on the Straight From The Lab EP in 2003. For We As Americans in partiular, you can tell it's not an Encore era song based on the writing alone. It's miles ahead of the vast majority of Encore it's ridiculous. I'd probably put it in my top 30 Em tracks. I'm guessing it's a 2002 written verse and recorded in 2002/2003.

Yes ,your right I read it in the book (Pg 188).

Encore has left-overs from TES?

Rain-Man was gonna be on TES. He wrote it in 2001, you can tell because of the rhyming. He just thought that with the super strong message and real complex lyrics that he should leave it off of TES.

Here is what he says in the book.

"Love You More", "Bully", "We As Americans".Those songs ended up on the Internet ,so I had to start over.- Then he went to Otlando to record- .I went there with nothing,not even a concept.I had the lines "You find me offensive/I find you offensive" in my head and I had no Idea where it was gonna go from there

(Pg 188).

[Mr Change]

Thanks for the big explanation guys.


Kinda sucks to think that stupid hackers, and laziness(along with many other factors his own fault), cultivated into a decent sized blemish on Eminems discography (The shitty joke songs on Encore) that would have been more of a lackluster attempt at a follow up to The Eminem Show

[Mr.DGAF]

Thanks for the big explanation guys.


Kinda sucks to think that stupid hackers, and laziness(along with many other factors his own fault), cultivated into a decent sized blemish on Eminems discography (The shitty joke songs on Encore) that would have been more of a lackluster attempt at a follow up to The Eminem Show

I think even with the leaked tracks, Encore would be an obvious sign of Eminem going through problems. Even the good songs on Encore aren't good enough to replace the worst songs on TES, imo. The album isn't that good, and while the leaks help improve the quality, it would still be a fairly mediocre album.

[Mr Change]

Thanks for the big explanation guys.


Kinda sucks to think that stupid hackers, and laziness(along with many other factors his own fault), cultivated into a decent sized blemish on Eminems discography (The shitty joke songs on Encore) that would have been more of a lackluster attempt at a follow up to The Eminem Show

I think even with the leaked tracks, Encore would be an obvious sign of Eminem going through problems. Even the good songs on Encore aren't good enough to replace the worst songs on TES, imo. The album isn't that good, and while the leaks help improve the quality, it would still be a fairly mediocre album.

I know man, I said instead of a blemish on his career that would be talked about the rest of his life, it would just be a lackluster follow-up to The Eminem Show, I believe.

[Mr.DGAF]

Thanks for the big explanation guys.


Kinda sucks to think that stupid hackers, and laziness(along with many other factors his own fault), cultivated into a decent sized blemish on Eminems discography (The shitty joke songs on Encore) that would have been more of a lackluster attempt at a follow up to The Eminem Show

I think even with the leaked tracks, Encore would be an obvious sign of Eminem going through problems. Even the good songs on Encore aren't good enough to replace the worst songs on TES, imo. The album isn't that good, and while the leaks help improve the quality, it would still be a fairly mediocre album.

I know man, I said instead of a blemish on his career that would be talked about the rest of his life, it would just be a lackluster follow-up to The Eminem Show, I believe.

You right. I don't even hate Encore personally. I like listening to it sometimes, even though it is a pretty bad album by Em's standards. I wonder how much, if anything, would have changed if those songs hadn't leaked...

[Emadyville]

The entire tone is different ,the voice the beats ,pretty much everything . I don't get it how can be left overs of "TES" .

This...plus I still think it was all drugs