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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Francesco » Mar 4th, '13, 13:35

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AbramIsaac wrote:That petty move. I'm not sure about the etymology of the phrase, if it comes from chess (making your move) or what, but in this context I'm talking about the action they took in slapping together a compilation album and titling it Chronic 2000 in an attempt to fuck Dr. Dre over.

I don't know what you're talking about. That petty what?


He generally meant to say it was another attempt of Suge to fuck over Dre (who released his ''Chronic 2001) in 1999 by making a double album of all star roster naming it ''Chronic 2000'' & releasing it in the same year... apart from the all star roster on that double album he had his new artists going at Snoop & Eminem directly on this album... as on ''Тоо Gangsta for Radio'' they went at Dre, Cube, Warren G as well.

It actually made Dre to rename his album to ''2001'' as it supposed to be ''Chronic 2000'' but Suge did the compilation first & named it the way Dre album supposed be named.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby 12characters » Mar 4th, '13, 13:45

AbramIsaac wrote: In the end though, 2001 is considered a classic, and that petty move by Death Row is long forgotten by just about everyone.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby AbramIsaac » Mar 4th, '13, 13:49

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AbramIsaac wrote: In the end though, 2001 is considered a classic, and that petty move by Death Row is long forgotten by just about everyone.

I'm now completely confused at your confusion. I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but I'm just not seeing what you're not understanding. I see that the phrase seems to be tripping you up, but I've explained it so thoroughly that I'm unsure what you're not getting here.

AbramIsaac wrote:That bit about Suge Knight trying to fuck Dr. Dre over by naming that shitty compilation from Death Row Chronic 2000 brought back memories of that whole mess. In the end though, 2001 is considered a classic, and that petty move by Death Row is long forgotten by just about everyone.

The latter underlined part corresponds to the former.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby 12characters » Mar 4th, '13, 13:49

AbramIsaac wrote:forgotten
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Francesco » Mar 4th, '13, 13:55

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AbramIsaac wrote: In the end though, 2001 is considered a classic, and that petty move by Death Row is long forgotten by just about everyone.


He's right... it was a big thing back then for Suge to steal the title of Dre's long anticipated follow up to the ''Chronic'' kind of fucking things up, esp. as he put a good roster & the compilation actually did some numbers but is long forgotten by just about everyone today 'cuz after ''2001'' came as the real thing ''2000'' was killed as was Death Row. ''2000'' was flash in the pan & ''2001'' was (still is) gigantic & evergreen.

''N****Z try to be the KING but the ACE is back'' - Dr.Dre ''Still D.R.E.

For you's a FOOL D.R. (Death Row) Snoop Dogg - ''Still D.R.E.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Atone » Mar 4th, '13, 13:56

Willy wrote:Sticky Fingaz's verse on 'Remember Me' is atrocious. Pure suck. Fucking sucks ass.


Glad i'm not the only one who thinks this

oh and @francesco you used the key phrase "Jimmy stops anything if he's not getting too much money out of it."

welcome to the business of making money

Sticky has never been promoatable, sure onyx was good, they had a following, you know who else has a following? Bizarre and King Gordy, hell, even i have a few fans i aint even that good, should Jimmy sign me, Bizzare, and Gordy to solo deals to?

No, he should sign marketable artists that he is sure ppl will buy,

stopping Detox is probably the only thing Jimmy should not have done,

Oh and by the way, i hate all record labels, so me sticking up for Jimmy should say somethin here
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby 12characters » Mar 4th, '13, 13:57

I don't even know what you guys are talking about. It was forgotten.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Francesco » Mar 4th, '13, 14:22

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oh and @francesco you used the key phrase "Jimmy stops anything if he's not getting too much money out of it."
welcome to the business of making money
Oh and by the way, i hate all record labels, so me sticking up for Jimmy should say somethin here


Dude... you can't be serious!
Jimmy stopping Snoop's & Dre's mutual project was disgusting! This is not business this is cheap shit, you don't have idea what you're talking about!

Jimmy milked Snoop like a motha'fucka... both Dre albums, which turned to be 2 of the greatest albums of all time are technically a duo/group albums but were put out as a solo albums so Snoop would be paid as a feat. artist only. Do you realize Snoop raps as much (if not more than) as Dre on both albums? Still Snoop was never bothered about that... but him helping Dre (been Dre's protege) & esp. Jimmy (of whom Snoop doesn't owns shit to) to sell more than 10-15 mills in total means at least Jimmy the cheap bastard should not stop the then coming official collabo album which in reverse Dre owned Snoop.
On top of it Snoop's solo projects on Interscope sold a lotta shit too so this shit is more than just disgusting!

So what we gonna do, it's on you -Dr.Dre
(Do you recall when you and Snoop was a GROUP?) - Eminem
The Chronic! - Dr. Dre ''Bad guys always die''

Jimmy dropping Busta & Obie was disgusting as well as it definitely made the labels weaker, not to mention they already got some money for Jimmy.

Jimmy always disregards what the core of fans want & look up for the business only, that's why so many great rappers never get what they deserve & most fans are always disappointed!

Don't compare Bizzy & Gordy to Sticky, Rakim, Raekwon, Joell Ortiz etc. etc. esp. cuz their projects were announced as ''coming'' on the label but then stopped after the sales research! It's ridiculous.

Should Def Jam drop LL Cool J 'cuz his last album didn't even get a gold plaque & disregard he's had 13 in total for them? They're not doing it anyway!

Jimmy stopped ''Detox''? No he didn't!
Jimmy would never do that as he's too greedy to stop Dre or EM record & I doubt he could even have the balls to stop their shit. It's even the opposite, when EM was in his hiatus & 50 was the only of the 3 labels who was putting records out, Jimmy even encouraged Dre & EM to push their solo albums & there was that ''inspirational'' speech how if football players only practiced but never had games there would be no public on the arenas. That was the metaphor that actually stopped Bishop Lamont's ''Reformation'' Stat's ''Statlanta'' & Cashis ''The art of dying'' but it never stopped ''Detox''. Dre & EM are not ordinary artists, nobody can stop their solo albums.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Atone » Mar 4th, '13, 16:49

Busta wasn't dropped, Busta left after a bitch fight with Jimmy cuz rappers these days cry about how much money they want, or, from what i read, it was over creative differences, with Jimmy, which is a cop out and bullshit, rappers cry about the money they wanna get but then make an albums worth of songs about how they have all the money in the world, such as "ARAB MONEY",

and Snoop being on most of Chronic, HE WAS LUCKY FOR THAT, before that album, NOBODY heard of snoop, exept for "Deep Cover" so no, he should not have been paid more for his FEATURES, yes, he may have had equal time as Dre, but Snoop was the new guy, he was a feature.

Bishop got dropped cuz he was a stupid ass and leaked some songs that Dre didn't want out yet, Bishop was impatiant, thats his fault.

Obie got dropped, or, more like hld back because he was a dumbass and barricaded himself in a hotel to sleep instead of doing what JIMMY PAID HIM TO DO, which was go on the radio and speak to promo his music, that's Obie's fault.

Stat either left, or got dropped, cuz Jimmy didn't want to put him out, probably cuz nobody gave a fuck about stat.

a lil story regarding stat by the way, i lived in New York and was coo lwith a DJ, he took me to his record collection, DJ's get sent a bunch of records to promo in clubs, one of the records was Stat's track he had on some NBA game, THE DJ LAUGHED AND ASKED ME, if i knew who stat was.....NOBODY was paying attention to stat,

and same with Ca$his, n either of them had Buzz, Jimmy was not going to put money in for artist's who were not pulling money back, don't get me wrong, i'm a huge fan of Obie, Snoop AND Busta, but you act like these rappers deserve more than they have.

And regarding Rakim, as much as a fan i am of his, he would have never sounded the same on Aftermath, i'm glad he left.

Raekwon, he's dope, who knows how he would have sounded, but at the same time, i don't know, and i have never met a single person who has ever bought a Wu Tang members solo album outside of Method Man, i don't think Dre's production would have helped Rae.

And Joell Ortiz, lol, outside of New York he get's almost no love, sure, now ppl talk about him but that's mostly stans who critique Eminem's new group, i say Em's new group cuz stan's on twitter call it that, it's so sad how so many people hug Eminem's nuts these days.

And Hiatus? no sire, Eminem was gone due to a drug binge from hell, i love Eminem's music and i own all of his stuff, but i'm no stan because i don't see Eminem as the greatest of all time, and i'm damn sure not going to spend moeny on shoes, clothes or hats with his name on it.

But that's beside the point, also, i noticed you brought up Def Jam, to be honest, Def Jam probably will drop LL, cuz Def Jam lost touch with what's good and fail at promoting their artist's anymore, same can be said about Shady/Aftermath.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Willy » Mar 4th, '13, 18:50

AbramIsaac wrote:
Willy wrote:Sticky Fingaz's verse on 'Remember Me' is atrocious. Pure suck. Fucking sucks ass.

Seems a little extreme. :unsure:


Niggas that take no for an answer, get told no
Yeah, I been told no, but it was more like no, no, no
Life's a bitch, met her, fuck you if you let her
Better come better than better to be a competitor
This vet is ahead of the shit is all redder
You deader and deader, a medic instead-a the cheddars and credda
Settle vendetta one metal beretta from ghetto to ghetto
Evidence, nope, never leave a shred-of

The praise this verse gets baffles me...
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Man In The Mirror » Mar 4th, '13, 20:42

Willy wrote:
AbramIsaac wrote:
Willy wrote:Sticky Fingaz's verse on 'Remember Me' is atrocious. Pure suck. Fucking sucks ass.

Seems a little extreme. :unsure:


***** that take no for an answer, get told no
Yeah, I been told no, but it was more like no, no, no
Life's a bitch, met her, fuck you if you let her
Better come better than better to be a competitor
This vet is ahead of the shit is all redder
You deader and deader, a medic instead-a the cheddars and credda
Settle vendetta one metal beretta from ghetto to ghetto
Evidence, nope, never leave a shred-of

The praise this verse gets baffles me...


You, sir, must be the dumbest member on here.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Francesco » Mar 4th, '13, 22:17

@Atone
Dude, first I thought you had some knowledge & was kind of confused but after that random gibberish you put out there I really get it!

Busta never had money dispute with Jimmy, he was big enough when he came & they paid him really well. The argument with Jimmy was about his new album he handed to him personally... Jimmy has said it's not good at all & that's heated the argument which made Jimmy drop him. We can agree Dre's a better hip-hop music critic than Jimmy though!
Busta didn't leave, he said on the next day he's still on Aftermath & doesn't want to leave 'cuz Dre's the best, but it was too late 'cuz Jimmy dropped him already. The pathetic thing is unlike other artists who's had troubles working with Dre, Busta didn't take time to drop his first & was ready with his second & Dre loved his shit. The second one was actually fucking done with a video single out already when the moron dropped him.

Snoop was the new guy? :laughing: At the time of the pre release of ''2001'' Snoop was already the West Coast's God. Plus this is business, not middle school so it's not really about who's the new guy 'cuz Snoop fired up ''The Chronic'' at first, then dropped ''Doggystyle'' which like Dre's two albums is considered as one of the greatest albums of all time too. Snoop never really stopped from there & was on top of it around Pac all the way until after ''2001'' Stopping a project of this artist who's been great commercially & critically for the label means Jimmy is a bucket of vomit.

Obie had one platinum album, his second is probably gold today & all Eminem/Shady fans loved him, still do actually. To drop him from the label 'cuz statistics show his sales decrease when his 3rd album is already done is not just immoral but a bad business as well since it's definitely had backlash on the label. The same thing has been happening with D12 ever since.

Bishop, Stat & the rest smaller artists who didn't prove themselves before getting on the label/s are not important in this convo but you're wrong about them too. The Stat story you put out there is comical & irrelevant though! Anyway!

Rakim's problem wasn't how he'd sound on ''Oh my God'', he had minor difference with Dre about the content, Dre wanted less God talk & more gangsta talk & an argument like that is understandable but they went to some agreement & Rah did that song for Truth Hurts. His album kept going but then Jimmy dropped the project 'cuz Rah was aging.

You've lived in NY but you don't know & haven't met a person that bought a solo album out of the Wu Tang apart Meth :laughing: Dude this is really really bad. This sounds like a made up joke right there! Your knowledge is horrible! They all have either gold or plat plaques... Ghost himself has 4 or 5 plaques... & since you talked about Rae, not that his ''OBFCL'' was ground braking but he's had plaques & has sold a lotta albums as well. You don't think Dre production would have fit on him or would have helped him? Well it DID! Rae dropped ''OBFCL2'' on himself & used the beats Dre gave him while he was on the 'Math. The album was both critically & commercially successful too & would've been a great look for ANY label! Rae was the biggest Jimmy fuck up 'cuz he actually proved him wrong critically & commercially all on himself.
Just out of curiosity & if it's not too personal... In what borough/area in NY did you live?

I won't comment on what you said about Joell, I'd just say it was more than just ignorant just like the Wu Tang thing. The thing you said about Em, either I didn't get it or was on some parody shit.

Well your prediction about Def Jam dropping LL is wrong... yet again, LL is about to drop his 14th album on Def Jam in April, there's artwork & track list, release date & two singles out already. From there on after 14 albums on the label even if they dropped him next year who'd be mad at them! Still in my opinion they won't... they hold on with their legends & don't drop them when their sales decrease, but this is irrelevant 'cuz as I said he'd be having 14 albums already if they dropped him.

The fact that before Jimmy did the clearance of Aftermath/Shady/G-Unit... those 3 labels were unfuckwithable, dominating power & today are nowhere near that speaks volumes, doesn't it?
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Atone » Mar 5th, '13, 00:10

Let's drop the Busta convo cuz at this point non e of us know weather he was dropped or left

regarding Snoop, this is the 1st time 2001 was even brought up in this, so when you said Chronic i thought ou meant the 1st one, but even if you meant 2001, you would be an idiot, Hitman had more features than Snoop, and Hitmann hasn't been heard from since, so Snoop being a legend by time 2001 dropped is irrelevant, cuz the album you meant where Snoop should have been paid for as a collab lbum, was the original Chronic, which dropped in 1992, right after "Deep Cover"

and Before "Deep Cover" nobody heard of Snoop, exept maybe a few ppl in Caliso again, giving Snoop a "collab album" credit would have been retarded at that time.

Regarding Obie, cool he had a platinum and Gold Album, but he still was a dumbass for locking himself away to SLEEP, when Jimkmy sent him out to do a radio show for Promo, If your boss sends you out to do work, you don't sleep instead, you get fired for that, Obie made a mistake, Jimmy was doing what a boss does with their lazy employee's.

Regarding Rakim, Jimmy again made the right choice, look where Rakim's music is at now, he dropped an album in 2009, only sold 12,000 copies 1st week, Rakim is dope but nobody is buyin his albums,

I lived in New York in 2006, i hung out with mostly skateboarders in New York, i left after 6 months for personal reasons, i won't get into that.

and LL got a new album? i gotta go check the info on that cuz Def Jam's promo abilities are so wack i didn't even know LL even talked about a new album.
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby Willy » Mar 5th, '13, 00:24

Man In The Mirror wrote:You, sir, must be the dumbest member on here.


What is good about that verse? 3..2..1.. GO!
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Re: Sticky Fingaz talks past with Dre, Em & 50.

Postby SliK » Mar 5th, '13, 01:43

VBV did an excellent breakdown of that verse and it is quite shitty.
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