_Hawk_ wrote:EminemBase wrote:
Eminem is way more artistically creative than Dr. Dre
This is a big exaggeration.
Em has made more conceptual songs which are more artistically expressive than any Dre has made, but in terms of being artistically creative in producing an album, Dre knocks Em out of the water.
Listen to 2001 all the way though and note how seamlessly that album joins up. The phone-call at the end of Big-Ego's joins fluidly with Explosive. The lightspeed instrumental is an awesome resting point in the album. The whole production was may before its time. It may have been gangsta rap, but the way Dre was experimenting with strings, samples and off-the-wall features really threw himself into his own genre. 2001 was a big inspiration for Kanye West's soul-rap aspirations. 2001 was not soul, but it had a soul. It was gangsta at heart, but it drew inspiration from a collection of musical genres.
I am not suggesting that Em has never drawn inspiration like Dre did, but Em does not have an album that runs as flawlessly as Dre's do. (please do not mention Relapse as it really doesn't run a fluid narrative)
I peg Dre for his creativity in the same way I peg Kanye. They both produce albums which exist best listened to as an overall artistic piece; whilst you can listen to an Eminem album on shuffle and still walk away with the same emotions.
But I think it takes more ingenuity to write "Stan" than anything Dre has done.
Regardless of the production brilliance of Dre... it's essentially knowing what he wants to hear and tweaking sounds, and yes there's psychology intertwined in terms of what he wants people to hear and why but... nothing in the way of something like "Stan" or in fact any of Em's good material.
To say Dre is more creative than Em is just absurd.
Dre is a perfectionist, and a great producer but he's not a GENIUS. I don't think anything he's done is like OMFGGGGG, WTF, THIS IS... HOLY SHIT!!!... and even if he has done that on a production-level for some beat-fiends here... no, creativity-wise... Em takes the mother fucking biscuit... barrel; he's a GENIUS writer (At his best), Dre is a great producer, but not an artistic genius IMO.
