Eminem is still the best rapper alive.

[AspirinE]

Eminem is still the best rapper alive.

Wrong, there is no best rapper.

If everyone who thought Eminem was/is the best, then half this forum must be groupies...?

half of this forum is a bunch of people that were listning to britney spears and techno, before the eminem became popular. Groupies? - Yes.

I think he's the best ever.

What you think doesnt even remotely count. You labled Jay z and Nas as "whack"



About encore:

Encore was a poorly put together complication of tracks. Its bullshit album in all, in no way an artwork, as apposed to an album like "the eminem show". Seemed to me like eminem just did that album coz he had to, and he did it in the same exact formula with the same tracks to a different tune only worse.

And eminem being more involved in production crippled the album too. Em should definately quit producing.

[KeeLo]

The way i see it em is just trying new styles on encore compared to MMLP and eminem show like we've seen his serious side and his hating side now its kinda like his joky side and he can master each style every time so we can expect a new style on his new album cant wait!!

[meinem]

Despite various critisism of Marshall and even claims that he has fallen off, his real fans know that he is still on top because his verses of the re up cd are straigt fire. Even though the Encore cd was trash his lyrics are always on point. I can't wait for that new cd to come out because I am sick and tired of the haters taknig about my dude. Marshall is still the truth, Top 5 dead or alive.

man bout time someone took my point of view but i do have 1 critisism:

ENCORE WAS AWESOME NO WAY WAS IT TRASH!

apart from that i totally agree with ya

[Sophie]

Everyones got different opinions That's all im gonna say

[Golden]

Yeah everybody has diffrent oppinons.

And ASP. how old are you? Just figured..Cuz when the eminem period started i was 12 years old. I mean. common. so cuz i wasn`t into hiphop before eminem that means im a groupie??

[AspirinE]

Yeah everybody has diffrent oppinons.

And ASP. how old are you? Just figured..Cuz when the eminem period started i was 12 years old. I mean. common. so cuz i wasn`t into hiphop before eminem that means im a groupie??

Im 20.

and nah, just coz u started from eminem dont mean u a groupie. When i say groupie ... i mean Dickrider. Many people that start listning to hip hop after eminem have a really broad perspective on hip hop... thats why i said most, there are exeptions.

[Eminem4Life1006]

well i dont think eminem is the greastest rapper ever i mean he is pretty good but there are other great rappers even better then him. As for encore that cd in my opinion wasnt his best but i stilled enjoyed lisetning to it but then again ppl have different prespectives on different things.

[4D]

All a matter of taste really. I`ve been listening to rap for 15 years, and Eminem was the first one who actually inspired me to write rhymes, I had never heard rhymes written so intelligently before with multiple syllable rhyme schemes (Because we never heard any Rakim over here), so automatically I thought this is "New", fresh with raw talent, and a flair for language. And I think the level of consistency on his first 3 albums (Which all 3 have a chance of goin down as classics) is probably unprecedented. All the great rappers have at least 2 or 3 albums worthy of the word "Classic". Jay-Z has "Reasonal Doubt", "BluePrint" & "Black Album". 2 Pac had "2Pacalypse Now" and "All Eyez On Me", Nas had "Illmatic", "Stillmatic" and "Gods Son", and Rakim...well, you could probably put all his albums down as classics.

So it's always gonna come down to personal preferance. But, in terms of skills, songs and albums done, I don't think anyone should disregard Eminem as one of the greats, because the amount of great songs he's put out in just 4 solo albums is pretty amazing.

[Curious]

All a matter of taste really. I`ve been listening to rap for 15 years, and Eminem was the first one who actually inspired me to write rhymes, I had never heard rhymes written so intelligently before with multiple syllable rhyme schemes (Because we never heard any Rakim over here), so automatically I thought this is "New", fresh with raw talent, and a flair for language. And I think the level of consistency on his first 3 albums (Which all 3 have a chance of goin down as classics) is probably unprecedented. All the great rappers have at least 2 or 3 albums worthy of the word "Classic". Jay-Z has "Reasonal Doubt", "BluePrint" & "Black Album". 2 Pac had "2Pacalypse Now" and "All Eyez On Me", Nas had "Illmatic", "Stillmatic" and "Gods Son", and Rakim...well, you could probably put all his albums down as classics.

So it's always gonna come down to personal preferance. But, in terms of skills, songs and albums done, I don't think anyone should disregard Eminem as one of the greats, because the amount of great songs he's put out in just 4 solo albums is pretty amazing.

^exactly - as one of the greats - not the best but one of them

n Asp i don't think encore was crap, there's a few good songs on it, but agree that the general quality of lyrics 'n beats 'n production etc. is inferior to MMLP and TES, but we already discussed that countless times in here

[AspirinE]

^exactly - as one of the greats - not the best but one of them

n Asp i don't think encore was crap, there's a few good songs on it, but agree that the general quality of lyrics 'n beats 'n production etc. is inferior to MMLP and TES, but we already discussed that countless times in here

the fact is, i bought encore and i listen to it, it was shit.

why?

heres why

heres how the tracks went

1)intro
2)decent track (not too interesting)
3)shit tracks (leaves unpleasant feeling after a decent track)
4)Good track
5)Shit track (spoils the album again as u listning to it)
6)single (nuff said)
7)another song about hailey (guess what, it doesnt impress anymore)

etc.

eminem just put out a bunch of tracks stamped under the same concept and content regulation as any of his other albums, but this time it got worn out.

Would rather listen to mf dooms "mm.. food" ... coz thats the kind of creativity i miss. I miss that M&M sold out his originality to commercial pop, which he swore to be against years earlier.

And now all eminem does is support useless bullshit rap, signs shitty ass rappers, doesnt let his best artist (obie) who i have uttermost respect for shine... etc. ... sorry for going off topic.



@ fordie.

Eminem is not #1 in skill, ive explained my point before somewhere. Eminem tries to do everything (just like most mainstream artists do), yes it does make him interesting. But he still doesnt have the wordplay that Doom has, the supreme monotonous flow that rakim has and a Dj to mix his tracks like Guru had when he was in gangstarr. All music is about originality.. which eminem cant consistently preserve.

[4D]

^exactly - as one of the greats - not the best but one of them

n Asp i don't think encore was crap, there's a few good songs on it, but agree that the general quality of lyrics 'n beats 'n production etc. is inferior to MMLP and TES, but we already discussed that countless times in here

the fact is, i bought encore and i listen to it, it was shit.

why?

heres why

heres how the tracks went

1)intro
2)decent track (not too interesting)
3)shit tracks (leaves unpleasant feeling after a decent track)
4)Good track
5)Shit track (spoils the album again as u listning to it)
6)single (nuff said)
7)another song about hailey (guess what, it doesnt impress anymore)

etc.

eminem just put out a bunch of tracks stamped under the same concept and content regulation as any of his other albums, but this time it got worn out.

Would rather listen to mf dooms "mm.. food" ... coz thats the kind of creativity i miss. I miss that M&M sold out his originality to commercial pop, which he swore to be against years earlier.

And now all eminem does is support useless bullshit rap, signs shitty ass rappers, doesnt let his best artist (obie) who i have uttermost respect for shine... etc. ... sorry for going off topic.



@ fordie.

Eminem is not #1 in skill, ive explained my point before somewhere. Eminem tries to do everything (just like most mainstream artists do), yes it does make him interesting. But he still doesnt have the wordplay that Doom has, the supreme monotonous flow that rakim has and a Dj to mix his tracks like Guru had when he was in gangstarr. All music is about originality.. which eminem cant consistently preserve.

Did you just describe Rakim as having a supreme "Monotonous" flow, as in boring, and try to make that a compliment. And I didn`t say he's number one in skill, I said he's amongst the greats, and if you deny that your just talkin shit man. Doom is alright man, but his songs are boring, the music isn't up to scratch. I Think when Eminem came along he was rhyming words in ways that nobody did before, and was very original, and even now, with all the pressure on him, he's still not afraid to take risks, sure some of them drop like a lead bomb, but for the most part are cool. Encore was not a shit album, "Mosh" "Yellow Brick Road" "Crazy In Love" "Like Toy Soldiers" and "Mockingbird", are all very good songs, you can't call an album with 5 very good songs shit, cos the truth is nowadays, most albums don't even have 1 fuckin good song.

And I know you define an album as being a work of art as a whole, but that's not really how it is. An album is like a portfolio of all sides of an artist, you show all you're creativity in an album, everything you can do you show off. Having an album with every song making a statement about one thing (Like "Hip-Hop is Dead"), is called a concept album. Not every album has to be like that.

I agree about the formula to Eminems albums though, it got old after MMLP, but as long as fans expect the lead-off single to be a wacky slim shady song, that's probably what they're gonna deliver. I don't even think Eminem likes those songs, he's been quoted many times as saying he knows when it starts to sound corny, that it could probably make a good single. The label puts tremndous pressure on an artist to make a good first single. Eminem has the skills to write a cathy hook, and make it popular. Nas, Rakim, etc don't.

[AspirinE]

Did you just describe Rakim as having a supreme "Monotonous" flow, as in boring, and try to make that a compliment.

Yes i did say it as a compliment, and not as in "boring". Monotonous as in on point on every beat.

And I didn`t say he's number one in skill, I said he's amongst the greats, and if you deny that your just talkin shit man.

when have i denied that?

Doom is alright man, but his songs are boring, the music isn't up to scratch.

it took me two years to understand why doom is one of the milestones of hip hop.

His music isnt "not up to scratch". I heard his older tracks were he flows regularly in the style of rakim or any other rapper. No rapper in the game can rap to beats like Doom can and no rapper uses the kind of wittty wordplay he uses. A very complex individual. Someday if u keep listning ull understand.
Hip hop art in pure form. He should be liquified and injected into wack rappers for recovery from mainstream poison and improvement in every aspect of MC'ing.

I Think when Eminem came along he was rhyming words in ways that nobody did before, and was very original, and even now, with all the pressure on him, he's still not afraid to take risks, sure some of them drop like a lead bomb, but for the most part are cool. Encore was not a shit album, "Mosh" "Yellow Brick Road" "Crazy In Love" "Like Toy Soldiers" and "Mockingbird", are all very good songs, you can't call an album with 5 very good songs shit, cos the truth is nowadays, most albums don't even have 1 fuckin good song.

I can agree with you that todays albums are formulated and rely on singles... thus suck. And Encore isnt good as an ALBUM. I see an album as a work of art. I dont buy a book to read 20 of the 200 pages. The same goes for albums. If eminem cant sacrifice 3 platinums for an album he makes for himself as an artist not a pawn in the game, then my respect for EM will go much higher. plus he could set an example.

And I know you define an album as being a work of art as a whole, but that's not really how it is. An album is like a portfolio of all sides of an artist, you show all you're creativity in an album, everything you can do you show off. Having an album with every song making a statement about one thing (Like "Hip-Hop is Dead"), is called a concept album. Not every album has to be like that.

Wrong. A Portfolio is a collection of ur work u present ... SELECTED collection, thats what GREATEST HITS supposed to do. Like Tribe called quest did when they made "anthology"

You can show all ur sides on different albums. All albums are concepts. If an album isnt a concept its worthless as a work of art.

Eminem has the skills to write a cathy hook, and make it popular. Nas, Rakim, etc don't.

Are u fucking kidding me? "catchy hooks" arent a thing of hip hop, if eminem wants to do catchy hooks he can do POP music instead.

Rakim and Nas both CAN make a catchy hook, but they wont because they stay true to the original hip hop form. Making hooks killed the art of DJ'ing in the late 90's.

[4D]

Making catchy hooks is not a bad thing, if you can convince more people to listen to your album, by making one corny hook, it's a good thing for your project. And "just Lose It" is the first really shit "1st Single" he's had, all the others before it, were very good lyrically.

I`m not gonna argue this out for the next 3 pages man, cos you'll never give in. what i said was my opinion, it's not gonna change.

[AspirinE]

Making catchy hooks is not a bad thing, if you can convince more people to listen to your album, by making one corny hook, it's a good thing for your project. And "just Lose It" is the first really shit "1st Single" he's had, all the others before it, were very good lyrically.

Nope u dont need to have catchy hooks to convice someone to buy your album if u doing hip hop. If ur doing pop then yes. Hip hop was famouse for making Dj scratching and statements in the hooks, that abstracts it from other music.

I`m not gonna argue this out for the next 3 pages man, cos you'll never give in. what i said was my opinion, it's not gonna change.

lol, ok. What i said is my sincere opinion too.

[AspirinE]

Cmon people go have sex.

had mine last friday and saturday, virgin.