Symphony in H...

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Oh i love how everybody just admitted how they feel about Em's new shit here...

[Kill You]

I never bitched about Relapse. I liked it then, like it now.

And I think it sounds really obnoxious to read people acting like they actually had something to do with the Relapse style going away. The record sales dictated that. Because they label got on to Em about it. Which is insane. Someone that has done so much should be able to do whatever they want. And if Relapse had Rihanna and little wayne awkwardly thrown in there like Recovery, it would have sold just as much.

Em believed in Relapse, he didn't in Recovery. Now, I think he's just trying to find something. We take greatness for granted. Constantly finding new styles is hard. Most just beat the same horse over and over(Nas...almost every other rapper not named Eminem). So while I respect Em trying to not get stale, I think he has went too far outside the box. He needs to go back to a simple formula of music. He's forcing things that he can't do and it isn't working.

I like these posts from you.

[Jimmy Conway]

Slim Cary, I appreciate your opinion and I don't give a fuck if you like a song or not. The reason why people don't like you is because you get mad at people for liking the song.

I agree about Relapse being his true self, and even though I like Recovery, it doesn't feel like an Eminem project.

I do find it shocking that people can like the current Em having hearing his brillance of the past. It's like someone liking toffee after having steak.

That's why it's hard for me to think someone who has heard lines like

"Entertainment is changin', intertwinin' with gangsta's
In the land of the killers, a sinner's mind is a sanctum"

can turn around and be content with all the......mess of lyrics em has came up with as of late.

[Jimmy Conway]

Slim Cary, I appreciate your opinion and I don't give a fuck if you like a song or not. The reason why people don't like you is because you get mad at people for liking the song.

I agree about Relapse being his true self, and even though I like Recovery, it doesn't feel like an Eminem project.

I do find it shocking that people can like the current Em having hearing his brillance of the past. It's like someone liking toffee after having steak.

That's why it's hard for me to think someone who has heard lines like

"Entertainment is changin', intertwinin' with gangsta's
In the land of the killers, a sinner's mind is a sanctum"


can turn around and be content with all the......mess of lyrics em has came up with as of late.

That's because you are comparing classic emotional deep songs to features and "freestyles". Instead you should compare that to lines in Going Through Changes. When he attempts to make another powerful song on his next album, you can compare it to a song like that. It makes no sense to hear a verse on a DJ's mix tape and say "it sucks compared to sing for the moment".

You're just sticking up for a song, making excuses. Doesn't matter if it's on a mix tape or what the situation is. It's still a song Em put his name on.

That wasn't the point. The point was that his current music doesn't have any quality in it. I remember a interview where he talked about making music that could be played over and over. He hasn't consistently done that since Relapse.

[Trimss]

I do find it shocking that people can like the current Em having hearing his brillance of the past. It's like someone liking toffee after having steak.

That's why it's hard for me to think someone who has heard lines like

"Entertainment is changin', intertwinin' with gangsta's
In the land of the killers, a sinner's mind is a sanctum"

can turn around and be content with all the......mess of lyrics em has came up with as of late.

Liking the current Eminem doesn't mean we're comparing any of his new shit to what he did in his past.
You'll always be disappointed if you compare his new stuff to his older albums. It's obvious and it's a fact that no one can deny, Eminem just isn't as good as before.

However, that doesn't mean you can't appreciate cool things when they're right in front of your eyes. I always try to see what's better than in the last song we heard. Right now, I feel like he actually feels more comfortable with his puns and don't over use them.
Of course I feel like everything after Relapse is a step backwards too, and I don't understand how his voice, writing and ideas changed like that within a year. BUUUUUT...

He had meaningful songs on Recovery though, and I found its content was the strongest point of the album. Maybe it lacked a better realization though, like having better beats would have made it a lot better.

[Jimmy Conway]

I do find it shocking that people can like the current Em having hearing his brillance of the past. It's like someone liking toffee after having steak.

That's why it's hard for me to think someone who has heard lines like

"Entertainment is changin', intertwinin' with gangsta's
In the land of the killers, a sinner's mind is a sanctum"

can turn around and be content with all the......mess of lyrics em has came up with as of late.

Liking the current Eminem doesn't mean we're comparing any of his new shit to what he did in his past.
You'll always be disappointed if you compare his new stuff to his older albums. It's obvious and it's a fact that no one can deny, Eminem just isn't as good as before.

However, that doesn't mean you can't appreciate cool things when they're right in front of your eyes. I always try to see what's better than in the last song we heard. Right now, I feel like he actually feels more comfortable with his puns and don't over use them.
Of course I feel like everything after Relapse is a step backwards too, and I don't understand how his voice, writing and ideas changed like that within a year. BUUUUUT...

He had meaningful songs on Recovery though, and I found its content was the strongest point of the album. Maybe it lacked a better realization though, like having better beats would have made it a lot better.

I think Relapse can compete with all of his first three releases. And I hope to see that quality again. And while I agree you can enjoy Em when he isn't on that level, to me, he isn't even close.

None of the songs he has released post Recovery I listen to, ever. They are all unlistenable to me. And that's frustrating.

I do think that this new release will be better. He's had three years to work on it. I personally believe he likes Relapse and doesn't like Recovery, because I've listened to Em since 1999 and I'd like to think I understand the guy on at least some level.

He is way too critical of himself to be happy with the stuff he's done lately. And that, I think, has created fire,drive. it's hard to have those things deep into a career. But like he had something to prove after Encore, I think he has something to prove now.

[Trimss]

I think Relapse can compete with all of his first three releases. And I hope to see that quality again. And while I agree you can enjoy Em when he isn't on that level, to me, he isn't even close.

None of the songs he has released post Recovery I listen to, ever. They are all unlistenable to me. And that's frustrating.

I do think that this new release will be better. He's had three years to work on it. I personally believe he likes Relapse and doesn't like Recovery, because I've listened to Em since 1999 and I'd like to think I understand the guy on at least some level.

He is way too critical of himself to be happy with the stuff he's done lately. And that, I think, has created fire,drive. it's hard to have those things deep into a career. But like he had something to prove after Encore, I think he has something to prove now.

Relapse is great and I probably play it more than I play SSLP but I don't think it's as good as any of the first three.

I'll be honest with you, I barely listen to what he has released post Recovery either. I listen to the verses when they're released, decide if I like them or not and if I don't I move on. Except for Numb (which really got me mad because I got hyped and kinda misled), I usually say why I like or why I dislike the song and move on.

Of course it's disappointing but it's not a reason to feed everyone with your negativity lol, some might enjoy it and then people get defensive and pointless arguments start. I know some people here are like protecting Em to death, but if everyone hated on him it wouldn't be TRshady anymore.

I feel like his next album is going to be dope, and I kinda enjoyed the short freestyle for what it was. However, I don't wanna shoot your hype down, but if he really was unhappy with what he's doing right now he wouldn't release a verse like this, with full creative control and everything (that you consider wack) on a mixtape. He probably really likes what he's doing..

[Jimmy Conway]

I'm just trying not to look too into it because if that is true, then the album probably won't be good. And there is so many things that go into the business. They could have just wanted a throw away old song to get Shady 45 hype or Tony hype. They might be using a old song to set the bar low so the new stuff will seem even more powerful. After despicable, I don't really put a lot of stock into. Despicable doesn't sound like Recovery. So why would this sound like the new album?


I just think this was some shitty old song that Em gave up to make some people some money. It's either that, Or Eminem has been wasting time writing horrible music for the past three years.

[Jimmy Conway]

I'm just trying not to look too into it because if that is true, then the album probably won't be good. And there is so many things that go into the business. They could have just wanted a throw away old song to get Shady 45 hype or Tony hype. They might be using a old song to set the bar low so the new stuff will seem even more powerful. After despicable, I don't really put a lot of stock into. Despicable doesn't sound like Recovery. So why would this sound like the new album?


I just think this was some shitty old song that Em gave up to make some people some money. It's either that, Or Eminem has been wasting time writing horrible music for the past three years.

REALLY? The two options are...Eminem is trolling the entire world just to say SIKE! I knew that sucked, or he's been writing awful music for 3 years. Those are your most prominent options? Why is it so hard to believe that he just wrote some damn rhymes for a guys mixtape and that's it. Your negativity makes you ridiculously closed minded. OMG HE PUT OUT A SONG I DONT LIKE SO FOR THE PAST 1095 DAYS HE"S JUST BEEN WRITING BULLSHIT.

Actually he's been putting out songs I don't like since 2010. Except for a couple songs off of Recovery and BME.

[Trimss]

Which songs off of Recovery and BME do you like?

[AbramIsaac]

This would be the pre-album freestyle, alright...this time it just happened to end up on a mixtape.

It's an indication of where his mind may be at for the album. His production is sounding interesting, his delivery has a decent amount of variation, and his "choppiness" is done in a more natural way. All of that from a freestyle, by the way. That doesn't mean that if you don't like the freestyle, you won't like the album. It just means that we've gotten the first look into some of the things that might influence the sound of the album; the first solo Eminem song in 3 years.

Obviously it's not going to be something mind-blowing, as it's not a drastic departure from his previous work. It is, however, an evolution of that. All of the experimentation--some of which went well, some of which didn't--has started to create what may be a more polished release. If he is indeed handling the majority of the production in-house, and has been working with his delivery, then we may be looking at an album that will satisfy most of the complaints with Recovery without being a complete teardown and rebuild of his entire style.

We'll see.

[Jimmy Conway]

Which songs off of Recovery and BME do you like?

My favorites off of Recovery are probably Almost Famous, 25 to life and seduction. There some others that aren't bad. So before you go BUT WHAT ABOUT COLD WIND BLOWS OR ON FIRE or whatever, yeah they are OK.

I haven't listened to BME in so long I can't really remember. Above the law is good.

[EminemBase]

It's unlistenable. You can call it a freestyle, freeverse, "it's only a mixtape song" whatever excuse you want.

Bottom line is he is using that whisper/yell choppy flow cheesy line crap.

So if it is old, then there is still hope. If that is 2013 Em, the album will be horrible.

I want to believe that it is old, because it is so shitty. But it doesn't really make any sense for it to be.

Em has had slumps before and broke out of them. Hope he does with this album. My expectations are very low though.

Sorry you didn't like it. But cheesy line? C'mon man, this is the complete opposite of "cheesy". If you don't like something, it doesn't automatically make it cheesy...you can dislike something for the sake of disliking it, doesn't always need a reason, like being cheesy - which it isn't anyways.

Oh well. I enjoy it.

If you like it, then good. That's why you listen to music, for your enjoyment. I, think it was corny.

"I got an Oscar, I'm still a grouch
I use it as a doorstop, and the prop"

"I ain't playing yo! Go for Shady don't kid yourself
Bitch, you aint even a baby goat"

I think those line are corny, uncreative, stupid. I think Em is a lot better than that.

And I know a lot of people are like NO ITS AMAMZING, LOL DONT YOU GET IT, GROUCH, LIKE, SESAME STREET LULZ SUCH A WITTY DOUBLE ENTENDRE OH SHADY'S BACK.

I just think it's dumb and lines like that just make me give a frustrated sigh when I hear them.

He says DOPE as Shady? Don't kid yourself.

[SliK]

I like the grouch line, it was probably my favourite of the verse.

[EminemBase]

I like the grouch line, it was probably my favourite of the verse.

Yeah it's a good line.

Puns are only corny to me when the initial sentence or phrase is unnatural aka feels like a stretch or contrived in order to make the pun work...

"I got an Oscar but I'm still a grouch"... works perfectly.

That phrase isn't contrived as even without the pun... that line works as it is and is not unnatural or weird or written purely to be a pun, it actually works as a literal sentence, so the pun is more like a happy accident that just adds to it. Exactly how it should be. Definitely improving.