"Old Em" vs "New Em" (My Theory)

by **kkaniff** » Oct 26th, '13, 08:04

Lyrics =/= Technical rhyming
1st verse of Till I Collapse is technical.
SFTM is lyrical.
SS&D is both technical and lyrical.
Rap God is mostly technical with some moments of lyricism thrown in.
At least, by what I understand lyricism to be.

by **kkaniff** » Oct 26th, '13, 08:14

Sorry for double post but...
@trentimus, your post made absolutely no sense, and since I just woke I'm not as forgiving of idiocy as I usually am later in the day.
Name 1 song on Recovery, aside from On Fire where Eminem is overly concerned with intricate rhyming.
Go on, I'll wait.

by **slimsoxshady** » Oct 26th, '13, 08:51

it's Ken Kaniff on the internet trying to lure these Stans with him into bed

by **Drax207** » Oct 26th, '13, 09:21

4Corners wrote:Biggest difference is Em can't seem to put a whole album out now without something wrong with it, where as nearly EVERYTHING he released from 1997-2002 was fucking incredible.

Encore had some gems, had some decent stuff......but also had the absolute worst shit he's EVER official released too.

Re Up and Curtain Call stuff was hit and miss. Had some good shit there like When I'm Gone, No Apologies, Public Enemy #1, and some horrendous shit like Fack, You Don't Know, Jimmy Crack Corn, etc.

Relapse had some dope stuff, but he had a stupid accent 90% of the time, and a lot of songs were meh to a lot of people. I still maintain had he only done the full blown accent on 2-3 songs, and done the hint of the accent but in a more normal voice like Elevator, Deja Vu, Music Box, it would have been better received by the masses.

Recovery had some real good shit too, but had his worst production and beat selection he's ever had. Also had more weak choruses than ever before.

Hell the Sequel was the closest he's come to getting it all right IMO. He went HAM on Wlecome 2 Hell, Fast Lane, Above the Law, Loud Noises, Living Proof. He had a couple comedic and funny songs too like Reunion and I'm On Everything. Even the girl choruses worked well on Above the Law and Echo. But...........the shit still had Lighters and Take From Me, which weren't too good IMO.

I don't see MMLP2 being perfect like his earlier shit either. Survival is meh, whack hook and beat. Berzerk beat has grown on me, the hook is dope, but the lyrics are whack for the most part IMO. It's just alright at best IMO. Rap God is off the charts lyrically, but the beat is weak.

Well that's YOUR opinion, boy.

by **shadyprod** » Oct 26th, '13, 09:31

Well I think it's because he's a grown man now, plus he came at the right time back in 97. I love both Eminem's but I feel like the new one is kind of trying to prove something to the rap scene.. Even thought he doesn't need to cause he's already proved that he was among the bests. Maybe the fact that he's stopped using drugs makes him feel like he has to go even harder with da music IDK

by **Hopsinshadie** » Oct 26th, '13, 11:50

One thing for sure is some of songs are a lot harder to hear. Listen to TES, it was so smooth. I guess he just loves mixing it up. I cringed so hard the first time i heard Berzerk, but then I learned what he was trying to do. As far as MMLP 2, I think in some ways he will prove to us that he can do more than what he did back then. He'll prove to be more versatile, and be able to rap faster, change his flow, ad he'll sound more like a machine, but in a good way. But a lot of people would never admit that he's better now. I'm not saying he's better now, but I wager that we'll see how there are things he's done now lyrically, conceptually, and flow wise that he wasn't able to do before.

by **Hopsinshadie** » Oct 26th, '13, 12:04

And I wish Em would come in and out of his old flow. Like a Berzerk type song, switch it up. Maybe that's what Evil Twin is about. Would love to hear the new Em vs the old Em on that song, battle it out lyrically.

by **Kill You** » Oct 26th, '13, 13:05

New Em is just as good at rapping as Old Em. The thing is, his MUSIC changed.

by **Notalius** » Oct 26th, '13, 13:27

Hopsinshadie wrote:One thing for sure is some of songs are a lot harder to hear. Listen to TES, it was so smooth. I guess he just loves mixing it up. I cringed so hard the first time i heard Berzerk, but then I learned what he was trying to do. As far as MMLP 2, I think in some ways he will prove to us that he can do more than what he did back then. He'll prove to be more versatile, and be able to rap faster, change his flow, ad he'll sound more like a machine, but in a good way. But a lot of people would never admit that he's better now. I'm not saying he's better now, but I wager that we'll see how there are things he's done now lyrically, conceptually, and flow wise that he wasn't able to do before.

Em became better as a rapper throughout the years. As an artist he changed. That's why people think the new Em is worse than old Em.

by **EllenPage-Mathers** » Oct 26th, '13, 13:42

I like both of them tbh, it's just that his old songs had more anger in them that recovery lacked despite the shouting.

by **ladelsofgravy** » Oct 26th, '13, 14:46

that's exactly it. yelling or talking louder doesn't make it any more emotional.

it's in the same way like in a video game for example where a character would say "you son of a bitch!!!!" in a flat voice. there's no real emotion there.

by **trentimus** » Oct 26th, '13, 14:50

kkaniff wrote:Sorry for double post but...
@trentimus, your post made absolutely no sense, and since I just woke I'm not as forgiving of idiocy as I usually am later in the day.
Name 1 song on Recovery, aside from On Fire where Eminem is overly concerned with intricate rhyming.
Go on, I'll wait.

Lol, you're already decided Stan.. So there is no point in arguing. You can goto rap genius and they organize it by album too! :wave:

by **Lowdownandshifty** » Oct 26th, '13, 15:06

Old eminem is a much better mc, I feel old eminem cared much more about being taken as a serious MC during his first three albums, Hence strictly keeping it hip-pop. He wasnt trying to get every female to sing his hooks, no matter how good they are an entire album of it is what made me not buy recovery after listening to it.

by **Trimss** » Oct 26th, '13, 19:37

I loved the slower parts on Rap God. And also the flow he uses during the "I got a laptop in my backpocket" part.

by **Shady50** » Oct 26th, '13, 19:45

Trimss wrote:I loved the slower parts on Rap God. And also the flow he uses during the "I got a laptop in my backpocket" part.

Honesty sounds like T.I.'s aggressive flow. Funny since the beat was originally meant for T.I. :happy:

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