Anyone else not completely in love with MMLP2?

[mdemaz]

Hopsinshadie.

[4Corners]

I see EminemBase is flipping from his initial stance, it's only a matter of time before people really try to say this album isn't as good as Relapse. This albums blows his last three out of the water.

Aside from everything listed in my other post, you can feel Ems passion on this album, you can feel what he's saying. I can't say the same about 99% of Relapse.

[therapist]

When the critics are actually praising something Em does.......you know he did well, he never gets love from critics.

Anyways, it's undeniably his best since Eminem Show.

It has the raw records like Brainless, Groundhog Day. Classic shady shit like So Much Better, Baby, Evil Twin. Concepts and emotional tracks like Bad Guy, Legacy, Headlights, Beautiful Pain. Experimental and artistic risks, as well as funny tracks like So Far, Love Game, Rhyme or Reason. Songs where he's just spittin and droppin bars like Asshole, Rap God.

It has every factor of an Eminem album. Is it a classic.......not by a long shot, but it's a very good album. It's every bit as good as Life Is Good and Untitled by Nas, better than American Gangster by Jay, and his best since Eminem Show.

The few bad lines here and there don't take away the overall enjoyment of the tracks, like Relapse accents did, and Recovery's horrible production did on certain tracks. And his flows on certain tracks are undeniable.

No one can rap like Em, and this project show cases his ability to rap over just about anything.

This forum needs a rep system. Till then you get a 10/10 and a

[EminemBase]

I see EminemBase is flipping from his initial stance, it's only a matter of time before people really try to say this album isn't as good as Relapse. This albums blows his last three out of the water.

Aside from everything listed in my other post, you can feel Ems passion on this album, you can feel what he's saying. I can't say the same about 99% of Relapse.

You're not supposed to feel the same about Relapse.

Relapse is in-character throughout, just like SSLP; I don't think you can 'feel' what 'Eminem' is saying throughout either, because it's SUPPOSED to be detached and crazy. Eminem raps on Relapse in an apparent psychotic drug haze, which is why he sounds detached and gleeful in his madness. Eminem does not really chop people up or eat babies - if you think of the album more like a movie and a character playing a role, it's a lot more fun.

His fans are always looking for such a personal connection, which results in him always trying to fulfill the whine of his fanbase in that way. He tried to artistically break that with Relapse but then pussied back to it when the heat got too hot for him to handle.

Why do you need to feel what he's saying, why can't you appreciate it as a piece of great art by an amazing lyricist... why does it always have to be about his personal life.

Relapse is intentionally detached from reality, it's about how it sounds, about his vivid descriptions, about creating the feel of that unlinked madness with the concept/themes.

Relatability is the most overrated, easiest and simplistic aspect of any art, and especially Em's.

[therapist]

clash of the titans going on over here. mind if i just sit back and watch?

[4Corners]

I see EminemBase is flipping from his initial stance, it's only a matter of time before people really try to say this album isn't as good as Relapse. This albums blows his last three out of the water.

Aside from everything listed in my other post, you can feel Ems passion on this album, you can feel what he's saying. I can't say the same about 99% of Relapse.

You're not supposed to feel the same about Relapse.

Relapse is in-character throughout, just like SSLP; I don't think you can 'feel' what 'Eminem' is saying throughout either, because it's SUPPOSED to be detached and crazy. Eminem raps on Relapse in an apparent psychotic drug haze, which is why he sounds detached and gleeful in his madness. Eminem does not really chop people up or eat babies - if you think of the album more like a movie and a character playing a role, it's a lot more fun.

His fans are always looking for such a personal connection, which results in him always trying to fulfill the whine of his fanbase in that way. He tried to artistically break that with Relapse but then pussied back to it when the heat got too hot for him to handle.

Why do you need to feel what he's saying, why can't you appreciate it as a piece of great art by an amazing lyricist... why does it always have to be about his personal life.

Relapse is intentionally detached from reality, it's about how it sounds, about his vivid descriptions, about creating the feel of that unlinked madness with the concept/themes.

Relatability is the most overrated, easiest and simplistic aspect of any art, and especially Em's.

Yeah and every song on all of his other albums are personal or songs people can relate to all the time......??? I can listen to a track like Evil Twin, Baby, or even a straight hip hop head type track like Groundhog Day and feel what he's saying, I feel the passion he's rapping with. Relapse isn't a bad album, but it's not better lyrically than MMLP2, and it was dragged down by weird accents 90% of the time.

Relapse was his trying too hard to be weird and create crazy controversy by saying weird shit, and failing. Though I still think it's a good album.

This album has a perfect balance of what everyone loves from Em. I only wish he'd removed Survival and The Monster, and maybe Berzerk.

Give me the So Much Better, Brainless, Evil twin, Groundhog Day kind of Em over some accent shit any day of the week. Em came correct on this album, more often then not.

[EminemBase]

I see EminemBase is flipping from his initial stance, it's only a matter of time before people really try to say this album isn't as good as Relapse. This albums blows his last three out of the water.

Aside from everything listed in my other post, you can feel Ems passion on this album, you can feel what he's saying. I can't say the same about 99% of Relapse.

You're not supposed to feel the same about Relapse.

Relapse is in-character throughout, just like SSLP; I don't think you can 'feel' what 'Eminem' is saying throughout either, because it's SUPPOSED to be detached and crazy. Eminem raps on Relapse in an apparent psychotic drug haze, which is why he sounds detached and gleeful in his madness. Eminem does not really chop people up or eat babies - if you think of the album more like a movie and a character playing a role, it's a lot more fun.

His fans are always looking for such a personal connection, which results in him always trying to fulfill the whine of his fanbase in that way. He tried to artistically break that with Relapse but then pussied back to it when the heat got too hot for him to handle.

Why do you need to feel what he's saying, why can't you appreciate it as a piece of great art by an amazing lyricist... why does it always have to be about his personal life.

Relapse is intentionally detached from reality, it's about how it sounds, about his vivid descriptions, about creating the feel of that unlinked madness with the concept/themes.

Relatability is the most overrated, easiest and simplistic aspect of any art, and especially Em's.

Yeah and every song on all of his other albums are personal or songs people can relate to all the time. I can listen to a track like Evil Twin, Baby, or even a straight hip hop head type track like Groundhog Day and feel what he's saying, I feel the passion he's rapping with. Relapse isn't a bad album, but it's not better lyrically than MMLP2, and it was dragged down by weird accents 90% of the time.

Relapse was his trying too hard to be weird and create crazy controversy by saying weird shit, and failing. Though I still think it's a good album.

This album has a perfect balance of what everyone loves from Em. I only wish he'd removed Survival and The Monster, and maybe Berzerk.

Give me the So Much Better, Brainless, Evil twin, Groundhog Day kind of Em over some accent shit any day of the week. Em came correct on this album, more often then not.

'personal or songs people can relate to all the time' - the easiest thing to achieve in art.

Em's best work are his flights of fantasy - "97 Bonnie and Clyde", most of SSLP... "Stan", most of MMLP - MMLP is constantly referred to as a personal album (which it is, but not realistically), when in fact it's a concept album and provocational masterpiece - it's fairly unrealistic throughout and songs like "Criminal" are pure concept songs, and still his best work.

Em is at his best not when he's looking inward and documenting his life for you to 'relate to', but when he's provoking and creating. When he's using his paint brushes to paint.

Why do you need to relate for it to be great or enjoyable art?

Do you relate to gangstas in Goodfellas, shooting people in the face? Have you ever truly lived or ever been through situations that even come close to mirroring those of compelling characters in most movies or TV shows? I highly doubt it.

Simply documenting what you've been through is not great art. That's the easiest and most obvious direction which comes to the mind. It's not really creating anything. And people lap it up because they can hear the artist say something they once went through and go "I WENT THROUGH THAT TOO!? THIS IS GENIUS!". Total waste of Em's brilliance to just do that.

I'm not saying MMLP2 is that by the way. I'm glad that he at least realized that was one of the core aspects of MMLP - taking his life and fictionalizing and exaggerating it, blending reality with fiction in a way that constantly blurrs that line. That's when he's at his best.

[4Corners]

But you're generalizing saying MMLP2 is all tracks people relate to.......only a few really are.

I can feel the passion Eminem is rapping with, and I hear Eminem having fun rapping again. It doesn't feel forced like his accents did, and it doesn't have the god awful production that was half of Recovery.

I like songs like Stay Wide Awake, 3am, Same Song and Dance, etc. for what they are. A fucking album full of them, it gets less and less interesting by the end of the album.

MMLP2 literally showcases Em doing everything he does, in diverse ways. The rapping and wordplay is phenomenal, and there's only a few whack lines here and there, which take nothing away from the songs.

The only songs where I can feel Ems passion in what he's doing on Relapse are Insane, Beautiful, Deja Vu, and Underground doesn't sound like he's forcing his flow whatsoever, it's very reminiscent of his older flow. The accents worked on a few cuts but like he said himself, he ran that shit into the ground, dug them up, and did it all over again. It got old, and fast.

The only time Relapse reaches the levels of Headlights, Evil Twin, Legacy, Brainless, Bad Guy is on Deja Vu, IMO. The overrating of Relapse is criminal. There's a reason it wasn't well received, because he trying to create controversy saying weird shit, and failed.

[Whitefox]

Well, MMLP2 is a good album, better than Recovery at least but..something is wrong with this album. Its basically about nothing. Troubles with being famous, hating bitches, hating dad, childhood, yo Im crazy - still the same themes. And this fact kinda ruined that for me. This album is saved by Eminem's abillity to reopen the exact same topics in quite different ways.

[kkaniff]

"Em is at his best not when he's
looking inward and documenting his
life for you to 'relate to', but when
he's provoking and creating"
....
Lose Yourself
The Way I Am
Marshall Mathers
Sing For The Moment
Cleaning Out My Closet
'Till I Collapse
Are some of his best work, all examples of "looking inward and documenting his life..." equal to and even exceeding the brilliance of his flights of fancy.
Personal songs are what made Eminem the musical icon he is today, they're what he's known for.

[eminemcn]

Great album.

Relapse sucked.

我觉得relapse很不错，当时我一口气买了10几张送人。

[kkaniff]

"Troubles with being
famous, hating bitches, hating dad,
childhood, yo Im crazy - still the same
themes."
So...nothing? This forum is worse than Bx's hip-hop spot. Time to pull a HopsinShadie.

[kkaniff]

I'll be back when/if the retard train slows down.

[Corpse_Welder]

What does being a mod have anything to do with it, babycakes?


I also actually love Relapse, but the overrating here is so annoying.

Why would any forum need a mod adding worthless posts? There's plenty of that already. And Relapse overrating here, although I can hardly be considered a part of here with my 30 or whatever posts and absolutely no influence from any of you on my opinion. I'd give MMLP2 the nod in technique, emotional delivery, grandiosity, and it will definitely win in sales. But the whole point of this thread is that Relapse is more fun and MEMORABLE.

[Kill You]

I love it too and I sort of agree to an extent. I can't listen to his old shit right now.