EminemInsider wrote:They can't do it as well as Eminem. What's the whole point of you bringing up punchlines, other than the fact that Eminem isn't a "punchline" emcee?
Because a lot of mcees don't even focus on multies, but more on punchlines, but we've been going in circles this whole thread. You already know that.
Yep, you're clueless.
Based on your logic, Rock Bottom would be every bit as powerful lyrically if Eminem had written:
There's people that love me, and people that hate me
But it's the vileness that made me this backstabbing, a liar, and Shady
I want the money, the women, the fortune and fame
That means I'll end up in hell, burning in flames
That means I'm stealing your checkbook and writing your name
It's lifetime bliss for eternal suffering and pain
Doesn't sound so powerful anymore, does it? Gee, I wonder why.
I wonder why Mockingbird just sounds terrible and has no impact other than making one cringe, while his verse in the fourth verse of Going Through Changes hits home.
Ya know, maybe the sonic effect of language actually has an effect on its emotional impact.....
First off writing lyrics won't prove anything, you actually have to hear him deliver the verses. Secondly false analogy, Mockingbird was just a terrible song in general. Try 8 mile, he isn't as lyrically complex in that song (in terms of multies) but it's still easy on the ears.
So you got nothing? Cool
Yep. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...but nobody has imitated that yet. Pretty telling if you ask me.
Probably cause it's still somewhat new, sort of like sampling was introduced in rap music. Everyone thought it was nothing but stealing music from other artists, now it's used in a lot of other genres. Still to say that other genres use it so that makes it legit is retarded.
They rarely have any business being placed in concept songs, so what does that leave? Ehem...filler tracks.
We used to fight for building blocks
Now we fight for blocks with buildings that make a killing
The closest of friends when we first started
But grew apart as the money grew, and soon grew black-hearted
Thinking back when we first learned to use rubbers
He never learned so in turn I'm kidnapping his baby's mother
My hand around her collar, feeding her cheese
She said the taste of dollars was shitty so I fed her fifties
About his whereabouts I wasn't convinced
I kept feeding her money 'til her shit started to make sense
Yeah because that's complete filler right? Didn't think so
Punchlines are a nice bonus when rappers are doing free verses and the like. They have nothing to do with what kind of "lyricist" someone is, though.
I also like how you automatically assume that metaphors, similes are nothing but shallow lines used in freestyle. Well I just proved you wrong on the previous point.
Still clinging to "metaphors," I see. What metaphors?
"I drank Moet with Medusa, give her shotguns in hell"
or this
My man put the battery in my back, a difference from Energizer
"Creative diction"...huh? Nas uses more street terminology than Eminem...for obvious reasons. That doesn't make him a "more prolific writer." It just makes him different stylistically.
It's obvious that Nas is more well read than Eminem, and he can make a lyrically complex track without sounding like a Canibus.
All I really have to do is point you to Take it in Blood, Memory Lane, and The World is Yours in that regard.
Still clinging to "metaphors," I see. Still talking about "diction," I see. I notice you always end your lists with the word, "whatnot"...because you always run out after two things. You don't really have an argument, you're just throwing shit against the wall and hoping some of it sticks.
I just proved you wrong with the last two points and gave examples so...
Because you say so, right?
Yes because I say so.
And Canibus succeeds at writing nonsensical psychobabble that idiots think is intelligent.
Who's even talking about Canibus? You associating Lupe Fiasco with Canibus is about as retarded as me associating Eminem with R.A. The Rugged Man in terms of multies quality. Do you really want to go there?
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That has nothing to do with racism. Calling someone racist means you're asserting they believe in a racial hierarchical structure. Me telling you that YOUR racism if preventing you from giving Eminem his due doesn't make ME a racist.
Yes it does you stupid fuck, you're getting all insecure and brought up the whole race card in the first place when NO ONE was dicussing race anywhere, which makes it a nice cop out to accuse people of, if they refuse to gargle Eminem's nuts like you've been doing this whole thread.
It doesn't matter. You're basing your argument on the sheer concern over the possibility of a white guy being better than all the black guys in his craft.
And you're basis for this is?
You're DEFINITELY an idiot. You didn't understand a word of what I wrote (not surprising, considering you're an idiot). Re-read:
The white guy is out-numbered 10,000 to 1 yet he's better than all of them. They're afraid that if they acknowledge he's the best in this craft, the broader implications are that black people are therefore inferior.
And you haven't proved why he's better than them at all. And don't get all prissy at me for bringing up sales to prove his worth, even though you weren't referencing sales in the first place you made assertions that Eminem was the GOAT without any evidence, and I said that the only concrete thing supporting that is sales. So stop trying to misconstrue my post and create hilarious strawmans, whic is all you're good at.
Huh? He was booed off stages when he first started rapping. That's undisputed FACT.
Maybe because he had corny lines, or maybe because they were GASP better than him...
Nobody said "only black people hate on him." White people who are subconsciously afraid of the implications of a white guy being heavily outnumbered and still being superior to all other blacks in a given area also downplay his greatness. It's inverse discrimination in which they are trying to "balance the scales" in some way. People are afraid of the subtext being, "the one white guy who did it came in and was better than all the black guys. This suggests whites are superior to blacks in the aspects of being a rapper."
So basically you only use him being white to as a disadvantage, whilst ignoring any privileges that came with being white? What an idiot, I know that he had trouble being accepted as a white battle rapper, but you're just ignoring people that put him on a pedestal because he's white. Like I said double standards.
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Well, I think it was pretty obvious. It was an assumption, yes...but then Mczu's post was ridiculous...and ridiculous opinions like that are nearly always borne from the racial consciousness I alluded to.
So basically you're racially insecure, cool?
And as for you...every rapper you have mentioned in this thread to pit against Eminem...guess what race they are?! (well, except Aesop Rock, but that was a pretty obvious attempt to fill a quota).
Another appeal to motive here cool? And lol one of my favorite mcess is Dessa who's white and female, and no don't even try and accuse me of putting her there to be politically correct, cause that'll just make you look like a complete idiot.
Never said double entendres are rare in rap music. Metaphors, however, ARE. Just because you don't know what a metaphor is doesn't mean they are commonly used.
I know what the fuck it is you idiot.
And what are you doing?
"Punchlines are important because I say so."
I've been giving example sthis whole post of rappers using them whils not being placed ot of context so no...
I'm explaining why punchlines are useless in my book. You're just asserting repeatedly that they are important and not going into any further detail. Apparently, 100% of the burden of proof is on me, but you can say whatever you want and not back up any of it and that's perfectly acceptable in your world.
Yeah it was burden of proof is always on the positive buddy, I've been giving examples though. And no metaphors aren't always punchlines what a retarded line of thinking.
We have a word for this...it's called "hypocrisy."
Oh the irony
Rappers who don't use multis with at least SOME regularity...find themselves nowhere near any real listener's "Top Rappers" lists.
Who's top 10 yours? Hahahaha
Not that it should matter as top 10 are all completely subjective if we strip rapper's off influence and sales.
Because genres are generally all tied to one another. They affect each other. Other genres have impacted rap, and vice-versa. You can see numerous elements cross over. Multis actually didn't even originate in rap music.
And metaphors didn't either? Gues what they're used in poetry, and guess what part rap is based off of? GASP poetry.
But punchlines...nobody touches those with a ten foot pole outside of rappers. And what's largely responsible for ruining Eminem's post-Relapse music? You guessed it - punchlines.
More like Eminem sucks at them and you're butthurt other rappers shit on him in that regard.
Great art is imitated. Punchlines aren't and...I'm going to go out on a limb here...I'm going to say they never WILL be. Hmmmm.
So Lil jon is a genius for pioneering snap music? It ran the radios and highly imitated.
The majority of double entendres and punchlines in rap music as a whole are duds. Even the top guys flop on probably about 50% of the ones they attempt. Even when they pull it off...so fucking what? Good for 1-2 listens.
I could say the same for multies and rappers who just use big words to make their rhymes sound hot, but has no context being within the rhymes. Really do you want to keep giving fales analogies? Cause I could easily do that.
No. Great rhyming never gets old. I can play Eminem's "Hellbound" verse over and over again and not get tired of it.
Well that's just you.
Uh, no. Brain Damage is every bit as good rhyme scheme-wise as any other song he was doing back then. He loses nothing rhyme-wise when writing about something. For fuck's sake, his most complex and detailed rhyme scheme of all-time was in "Lose Yourself."
Brain Damage, perhaps the first few lines? At use least Rock Bottom. And no his songs on MMLP for the most part which has alot of generic I'll Kill you shit on TES rhyme wise whilst the latter has more substance in the songs.
Are you seriously this stupid?
I'm using the fact that someone can easily make a video that is exactly how everybody else pictured the song to demonstrate how Eminem is a phenomenal story teller. He paints a vivid picture.
Did it ever occur to you that the only reason anyone ever mind a video off of Kill You is because of it's popularity? Yeah I'd like someone to make a video of Gihad with Ghostface getting a BJ, yep.
Who cares about Infinite?
That track is an anomaly in Eminem's history.
Well since you've been giving false analogies this whole thread I might as well give you the same courtesy, right? And no Infinite is a part of Eminem's track record just like Juvenile Hell is a part of Mobb Deep's discogrophy.
Except the lyrics in question were blatantly sarcastic, as he made clear not only through the intro, but the way he concluded it and what he was saying throughout the song.
That's more like the suburban moms being stupid as fuck and him relying on controversy to gain attention, and it's not like they actually listened to the intro did they?
"I'm the bad guy/Who makes fun of people that die/In plane crashes/And laughs as long as it ain't happen/To him"
You're a complete idiot who can't even understand the significance of Eminem's lyrics YOURSELF. You prove the very point I'm making.
Yep nothing but generic shock rap verses meant to gain attention, but hey if you're wowed by them cool.
The concept is in the chorus...the verses are just his token "look at me mixing intentionally vague references to concepts with forced double-entendre/punchlines" mixed with shit that, well...doesn't actually make sense. He hovers around the point but because he's trying so hard to not actually say what he means, it doesn't actually work. One line he says he's "earless," the next he says, "my iris resides where my ears is"...I guess in some attempt to allude to the fact that listeners "see" through their ears. But then they're not "earless," now, are they?
This is what happens when you bite off more than you can chew. This song is a train wreck.
What's the point of the song, genius? "I'm too complex for you and listeners want me to dumb down my musikz?" It's just a pretentious version of a "brag" track.
This should help you out.
http://rapgenius.com/lyrics/Lupe-fiasco ... mb-it-down
So now you're putting words in my mouth. Great.
But yeah...I'll take any songs of that theme (Cleanin Out My Closet) over "Dumb It Down."
Well that's just you, and personal preference.
