Eminem's production is currently overrated

[CanadaPure]

ITT: Big words being used to try and appear more intelligent than each other.

[sbolli1]

I got a better idea:

How about you both just admit and accept your general pretentious doucheyness, and we get the thread back on topic.

[Whitefox]

Off-Jesus Christ, waiting for Hawk's response-topic

[CanadaPure]

I got a better idea:

How about you both just admit and accept your general pretentious doucheyness, and we get the thread back on topic.

Or how about you jump off a bridge, moron?

Topics change naturally when you have a discussion with someone.

You've moved from actually talking about Ems production to insulting his grasp of English, stay on topic. It doesn't matter if the topic changes a little bit, but try and stay somewhat related to what the thread is about.

[Whitefox]

Actually, Hawk is the first one who started insults. He called Amadeo "fucking retarded", "pig headed" and started blaming him that he think rapper can be considered as an artist, then he moved on some "opinion" shit which isnt connected with production at all.

[Almostlity]

Ye won #YEEZUS #1

Stop coming to this section to add nothing but attempt to troll and cause a ruckus.

I'm giving you a point next time.

fuck outta here

[cityfan31]

Eminems production has always been overrated. #fact










Ye won #YEEZUS #1

Ye didn't produce a single beat on Yeezus

[Francesco]

Em has definitely had some top notch production... the thing is he hasn't been consistent enough with it throughout as he's had long lay offs doing that. Overall he's not overrated 'cuz he's never mentioned amongst the greatest or the outstanding producers while he's way more than good enough to be always mentioned amongst the very good producers.

_Hawk_ is a smart & nice cat though & his posts are always well put & insightful.

[_Hawk_]

@ Amadeo: the bi-polarity I clearly presented was the way good lyricism is usually polarised by raw emotion:
e.g. 'I love you so much, my heart can't go on' is not good to listen to, but clearly fits within a popular genre. It is difficult for most artists to amalgamate the two in a respectable way. You said yourself that Lennon was not a good lyricist, yet he is famed for his emotional music. Using the above emotions about love but in a twisted way, as Eminem does in Kim, is a much more interesting way of assessing an extreme form of these feelings, and IMHO gives a perfect balance between these two musical techniques on my see-saw metaphor.

Compute can be used informally: 'To be reasonable, plausible, or consistent; make sense: Your alibi doesn't compute.' It was completely sound for me to say. You really need to get off your high horse. My choice of words was rather apt, as you have an extremely technical way of trying to break people's posts down, line by line.

And regarding me separating 'artist' from 'rapper' the key is in the two words being singular and separate. I didn't say rap artist I said artist; clearly stating that it was being used in a much broader sense than rapper. Google it. There has been a plethora of discussions on the internet concerning the relationship between the two.
The easiest way of understanding it is that a rapper is associated with the fundamental values of the original artform, whilst an artist reaches broader musical heights. For instance, Kanye is routinely labeled as a great artist, but I very rarely hear people exclaim that he is a great rapper. When he is labelled as a rap artist, this is clearly to give his artist groundings a context.

If you still don't understand this, Amadeo, then PM me by all means, but please stop point-scoring in this thread. You are wasting your effort and clutching at straws. I do not need to justify my intelligence to you, but you clearly are an individual who feels the need to exhort your apparent intelligence (no matter how conceited) in order to justify it to yourself. This is an internet forum. I don't proof-read my posts to ensure that every single word is as perfect as it could be. I'm not at university when I am online.


................. /let's end that there

@Francesco. Cheers buddy. Seems people missed my earlier post which was aiming to bring this thread back on topic.

[CanadaPure]

Ye won #YEEZUS #1

Stop coming to this section to add nothing but attempt to troll and cause a ruckus.

I'm giving you a point next time.

fuck outta here

So Menzo tells you to stop coming in here to add nothing and just to be a pain in the ass, and you come back and do the exactly that. C'mon son. Have a point on the house

[_Hawk_]

TES is Eminem's best produced album imo.

I don't think Em will ever be as good as he once was, but I feel that if he were to rap on his productions again, it could bring out the best of what he has left in him.

I feel like having producers sending him beats and he just writting to them can take away from his creativity.

I think it depends which producers he works with TBH. GK: MC is a perfect example of an album which contains a plethora of beats from various producers, but they all blend seamlessly together.

TES is great, but not how I want Em to sound again unless he really explored the rock feel that he really captured in SFTM. I'd love a guitar solo on the next album.

[_Hawk_]

See, but Em and Kendrick are 2 different artists....

Em is better on his own/Dre beats. Period.

But how can you prove that? Stan is arguably one of his most haunting beats, yet he didn't produce it. Em has not worked effectively enough with other producers to really take their experience and use it to his advantage. Recovery was a failure, but I don't believe Em spent the time to make it anything special. His choice of beats was poor overall.

And, yet again, a forum member is completely overlooking the Bass Brother's impact

[_Hawk_]

but the bulk of his best songs are produced by himself.

We can go song for song. Eminem wins.

Can we? Obviously a list of his best songs are subjective, but my main point is that Eminem's best production generally comes with inside help. The Way I Am, Lose Yourself et al would arguably have never materialsed in the form we listen to now without the help of the Bass Brothers. Even Luis Resto deserves recognition for his help with Eminem.

Song for song, Em's best production is with the Bass Brother's help. Fact.
Sing for the Moment, TWIA, Cleaning out My Closet, Without Me, the majority of Devil's Night.

I agree with Mezo. Devil's Night is awesome. An Em album at that time would have been extremely interesting.

[_Hawk_]

but the bulk of his best songs are produced by himself.

We can go song for song. Eminem wins.

Can we? Obviously a list of his best songs are subjective, but my main point is that Eminem's best production generally comes with inside help. The Way I Am, Lose Yourself et al would arguably have never materialsed in the form we listen to now without the help of the Bass Brothers. Even Luis Resto deserves recognition for his help with Eminem.

Song for song, Em's best production is with the Bass Brother's help. Fact.
Sing for the Moment, TWIA, Cleaning out My Closet, Without Me, the majority of Devil's Night.

I agree with Mezo. Devil's Night is awesome. An Em album at that time would have been extremely interesting.

Whether it's produced solely by Eminem or he has a co-producer, the point I'm trying to make is that he makes his best music when he plays a role in the production of it.


I don't know how much more clearer than that I can be.

That is entirely different and I completely agree to an extent.
With Em and Dre overseeing production I think his next album could be awesome. Having said that, I still think Em is working in a largely outdated phase of rap music where albums were more a collection of songs than a conceptual work of art. His previous albums have been cohesive in parts, but overall they lack a cinematic feel. Dre did a good job overseeing GK: MC, so hopefully that knowledge will transcend into Em's album.

An Em album at that time would have been extremely interesting.

Yeah, but at the same time I'm glad he didn't. He was still in that "fuck the world" MMLP mode and I don't think he had enough time to focus conceptually on something. I fear that if he made a solo album in that time, it'd be a weaker version of MMLP because not enough time would have elapsed between MMLP's release and that possible solo. At least with D12's album, he didn't have to focus SOLELY on himself and split the weight with six others and it gave him an excuse to still fuck around and be controversial.

I understand your point, but he could easily have gone into the psycho mode that he explored with Relapse and produced something completely indulgent, and lyrically mind-blowing. If he attacked the rape problems in Detroit through the eyes of a rapist/serial killer then he could easily have produced a concept album with political motivations; at the same time using his detroit background as a platform for attacking his critics, highlighting why his apparent misogynism has tangible groundings.

[dark111]

That is entirely different and I completely agree to an extent.
With Em and Dre overseeing production I think his next album could be awesome. Having said that, I still think Em is working in a largely outdated phase of rap music where albums were more a collection of songs than a conceptual work of art. His previous albums have been cohesive in parts, but overall they lack a cinematic feel. Dre did a good job overseeing GK: MC, so hopefully that knowledge will transcend into Em's album.

Dr Dre didn't do anything for Kendrick and he only produced 3 songs on The Eminem Show.

What people don’t know is Kendrick's been making this album for the past 10 or 12 years and the album isn't called 'A short film by Kendrick Lamar' for nothing. Eminem and Kendrick aren't 50 Cent and The Game, ya'll need to stop giving props to Dr Dre for everything.

http://labdummy.com/2012/12/thefader-be ... -producer/

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.2 ... s-on-album