SliK wrote:Bale is an incredible actor. He has been in roles that weren't incredible but he is capable of truly brilliant performances. It's like saying "Recovery wasn't amazing so Eminem isn't an amazing rapper", completely ignoring MMLP. Bale is a fucking great actor. American Psycho, The Machinist, The Fighter are all great movies with great performances from Bale.
I would call Ed Norton an incredible actor.
I would call Denzel Washington an incredible actor.
Same for Jack Nicholson, Steve Buscemi...
I'd call Bale a sometimes thrilling... sometimes cheesy and off-key actor... sometimes I don't think he's convincing. He's nearly always compelling in some way but sometimes he's comic-like cheesy and off-key and his US accents are incredibly OTT and often are his actions.
He was great in Harsh Times, but the same applied; it's only because he was playing a psycho (as he often is) that it worked for him.
But there's far more convincing actors than Bale. But he's interesting.
Also, when did I mention any bad performances by him? You're dismissing an argument that I didn't make lol, so that Em/MMLP analogy doesn't work, because I didn't make that case. I'm saying that even in his great roles, he's not 100% great to me, he's just very intense and interesting and that overrides his flaws as an actor, which, to me as I watch him - is overracting.
I'm not saying he's not capable of true greatness, as his performance in The Fighter definitely was, but I don't think he's wholly consistent in his delivery, I sense holes as I watch him.
SliK wrote:You are right Keanu Reeves, Hayden Christianson, the dude who plays Dexter's dad are ALL bottom of the barrel and worse than Eminem. I put Eminem just below Mark Whalberg (who is far from great but still watchable).
Hmm... well, Whalberg is kinda bad but he pulls off moments... in the right role he can be good-ISH but you can still sense the holes. He was good in The Departed but there's been many shit actors that under the right script and direction look good (COUGH JOHN TRAVOLTA)... I don't think one film is enough to say he's worse than Whalberg, as I think his performance in 8 Mile is more convincing, authentic and interesting than most of Mark's performances. Mark has just been in a wider array of movies and tackled different subject-matter - there's moments of bad acting in 8 Mile but for the most part Em gently underplays emotion like a pro. Shit actors overact or simply have no charisma - great actors like De Niro are powerful underacts, they emphasize realism through subtlety... Em seems to grasp that tone of subtlety in his delivery and body language.
Really don't know what performance you watched. His was solid.
Agree to disagree on that one.