MMLP2 represents the MMLP well

[kpprasa]

Nah I don't think an album should be that @ a single set of themes...

I think an album can be anything, the only question is 'does it work' or not.

But MMLP IS that, so if the sequel doesn't share even its most loosely defined foundation... it may as well have its own title entirely / not be connected / implied to be that.

I agree actually. I think he did that solely for the reaction that people would get because Em would be creating an album to what many consider his Magnum Opus. Simply put, it worked. Although, I almost wish he did name it something else- It has a tint of MMLP, but he should have named it something else. Regardless it's a dope album.

[Jimmy Conway]

"As much as it is a revisitation – like this is a different time period in my life. So there's not gonna be like, continuations of every song or anything like that. To me, it's more about the vibe and the nostalgia."

Nostalgia

Quote from Me

"He was trying to recapture the passion, dedication, quality, desire, motivation, fun he was having during that time "

He never said he was going to make a cd full of Kill you and criminal 2s. He never said he was going to reference the original every other line.

He references the first album a lot, most of it being subtle.

I can see the revisit in it. And the best thing about it, it doesn't jump right in your face. It doesn't feel desperate. It doesn't feel like someone struggling trying to leech off better times. It feels like someone motivated, older, but smarter, someone wanting to make a album that has that feel of the old Em, one that couldn't mess up. And he's done an amazing job.

He didn't trick us. He didn't promise us anything he didn't come through on.


He looks like MMLP, the album looks like MMLP, the beats, do the sound like MMLP, no, and they shouldn't. Em is progressive. The day he starts beating a dead horse like every other aging MC is the day he should just stay in that mansion and be quiet. He didn't copy the sound. But he did REVIST the quality, the time invested in making the beats fit. Same with the lyrics, he has sprinkled references and quotes everywhere, in a classy way, not a reaching, desperate. But the lyrics have that MMLP fire, that you can tell he spent many hours on.

The MMLP is in this album. But he doesn't allow it to overshadow the man he is now, he just used it to give us one more amazing album.

/Thread

[Kill You]

The Matthew Mitchell LP

[EminemBase]

Embase, it was a balanced representation of his thoughts.
MMLP2 is too.

The former follows the same 'balanced' routine: ie, sad song followed by a lively one. That is the balancing act, with the interscope singles thrown in.

I think my previous post said everything. The only reason MMLP2 has tracks like STIW and Headlights is because they are his honest views just as Kim expressed his emotional rage.


I understand your point, but personally the MMLP2 is more singleminded sonically. The album isn't cohesive in terms of production, but the beats are easily distinguishable. You can hum along to them and bump them a lot easier than you can with MMLP2. So Far exemplified this with the I'm Back and RSS samples. I started vibing along to them and almost felt sad I wasn't doing the same with some of the tracks on this album.

But then I realised I was happy about this. The sonic experience of MMLP2 underlines Em's evolution to where he is now.

I think Eminem has given the MMLP2 more than enough justice.

Show me how MMLP is balanced then? It's not a balanced representation of his thoughts. That's the entire point of MMLP, that he tipped the balanced to the point it's an unrealistic blur between how he really feels / where the fantasy begins.

You think "You think I won't choke no whore till the vocal chords don't work in her throat no more?" is balanced? (this mindset of tongue-in-cheek provocation prevails throughout every single song) Or actually his thoughts?... he's provoking the listener, but he does this on every single verse of every single song of the album. There is no balance. Only winks at the camera.

There is no entire songs of realistic Eminem thoughts. He is in character throughout. He hasn't done that since then, every other album is balanced... Relapse was nearly that same forceful imbalance... MMLP2 is a regular balance; like TES. So no, it is not similar to MMLP in theme or structure - the only thing is shares is a title, and references.

[_Hawk_]

Eminem has the exact same thoughts on MMLP2.

It is just his humour, used as an overriding metaphor for the way rap has evolved in relation to media perception.
He is not in character for TWIA, Marshall Mathers et al. It is all him. Just being himself.

Let us agree to disagree mate. We won't convince each other.

[Kill You]

Eminem even said he and Shady are the same.

[EminemBase]

Eminem has the exact same thoughts on MMLP2.

It is just his humour, used as an overriding metaphor for the way rap has evolved in relation to media perception.
He is not in character for TWIA, Marshall Mathers et al. It is all him. Just being himself.

Let us agree to disagree mate. We won't convince each other.

He has similar thoughts... but he balances the album with conflicting thoughts. That's the difference. Eminem has those thoughts on every album. MMLP is unique for not balancing those thoughts; for making them a confusing 'are they real or not' point of focus.

Eminem has pure aggression and descriptive violence (more-so infact) on Recovery even... but the point is that it's balanced out with tracks about progressive recovery.

MMLP2 shares this structure of balanced themes, which makes its title kind of pointless. Because every Em album is 'where he's at now', so when you all keep saying that makes it MMLP... no it doesn't lmao. The lack of balance is what made MMLP that, not that it was about his life. Show me an Eminem album which is not about his life; TES was also a 'where he's at now, how he's matured, life in the spot light'... so was 'Encore'... Are they similar to MMLP too then?

Yeah he's himself on The Way I Am, but still inducing descriptive violence, addressing the same themes (middle-America influence; shootings) and inducing the same aggressive attitude. So there is no break in feel, mindset, themes or attitude.

And okay we can agree to disagree.

[EminemBase]

Eminem even said he and Shady are the same.

Which I've been saying for year after year; Shady is simply a metaphor for darkness / any kind of dark thoughts that he has. What makes MMLP MMLP is not 'Shady' or some separate character. but the imbalance of Shady and real-world thought; the fact that he intentionally removed the balance to make it ambiguous/confusing.

[_Hawk_]

I think the bigger picture though is the fact that MMLP has become a metaphor for greatness which Em smashes on this album.
He rivals it artistically, and offers music which debateably is on the same level.

MMLP is incredible visceral and raw, but this would be a fake emotion for Em to continue with on its supposed sequel. I don't even view MMLP2 as a sequel: it really just tackles the elephant in the room.
I think that last point is key. Whilst you say the apparent single-mindedness of MMLP is so important, I think it is really Em's prevailing honesty that is key. Yes, he is honest on all of his albums, but on these two in particular he captures that DGAF mood in a dark, twisted way.

MMLP2 is as dark as Em can get without faking, just as MMLP was.

I think we are going off point. Eminem didn't intend to replicate the single-mindedness that you are focused on. It wouldn't fit this concept.

[EminemBase]

I think the bigger picture though is the fact that MMLP has become a metaphor for greatness which Em smashes on this album.
He rivals it artistically, and offers music which debateably is on the same level.

MMLP is incredible visceral and raw, but this would be a fake emotion for Em to continue with on its supposed sequel. I don't even view MMLP2 as a sequel: it really just tackles the elephant in the room.
I think that last point is key. Whilst you say the apparent single-mindedness of MMLP is so important, I think it is really Em's prevailing honesty that is key. Yes, he is honest on all of his albums, but on these two in particular he captures that DGAF mood in a dark, twisted way.

MMLP2 is as dark as Em can get without faking, just as MMLP was.

I think we are going off point. Eminem didn't intend to replicate the single-mindedness that you are focused on. It wouldn't fit this concept.

But what do you mean honesty? Lmao... MMLP is not an 'honest' album.

Em is honest in things like "Mockingbird" which are simple, real-world expressions.

MMLP is his least honest album in the sense every line is for the purpose of provoking and making you question his intent and whether his fantasies / violent thoughts are real or for show.

MMLP is not an honest representation of Eminem as a person at the time. It is a concept album where Eminem is trying to confuse the listener as to what he truly believes; and that is not me guessing that, Eminem himself at the time said that, and it's blindingly obvious from his lyrics.

So I don't know what you're implying MMLP 1 + 2 share...

You say MMLP is a metaphor for greatness but what does that even mean, you've just come up with that personally, to connect the two. Does Eminem not try to capture greatness on every album? Does he not try to rap his ass off and prove he's great all the time? So why is MMLP a metaphor for greatness, when has he said that.

I'm not saying MMLP2 is not a good album, but these connections are really imaginary and just vague definitions to justify the title. We can all do that. If there is one thing they clearly and factually share that we can observe, overwhelmingly... then it is the hip-hop homages and reworkings.

[_Hawk_]

MMLP has become a metaphor for greatness.

And yes, it is an honest album. It reflects Eminem exactly as he was. His emotions, his anger, his wit; everything is there. It may not be given to us on a plate, but he doesn't have to do this. He intentionally creates ambiguities to combat the reaction from his previous album.

This is not what MMLP2 is about.
It is about tackling the elephant in the room, whilst going back into that similar mind-frame in order to oust that presence.

I am sorry but you are viewing the MMLP as it was made, whereas it's logevity has evolved it to an unconquerable presence in Em's career. By conquering it he has removed it. That was the mission and he accomplished it.

[EminemBase]

MMLP has become a metaphor for greatness.

And yes, it is an honest album. It reflects Eminem exactly as he was. His emotions, his anger, his wit; everything is there. It may not be given to us on a plate, but he doesn't have to do this. He intentionally creates ambiguities to combat the reaction from his previous album.

This is not what MMLP2 is about.
It is about tackling the elephant in the room, whilst going back into that similar mind-frame in order to oust that presence.

I am sorry but you are viewing the MMLP as it was made, whereas it's logevity has evolved it to an unconquerable presence in Em's career. By conquering it he has removed it. That was the mission and he accomplished it.

Lmao you're just inventing these things and saying them like they're facts...

'That was the mission'... how do you know? Did Eminem say that the mission with MMLP2 was to conquer the MMLP stature / weight?... no, you've just made that up.

And no, it ain't an honest album.

It has a lot of honesty mixed in there, so you're right in 'not given to us on a plate', but as an overriding work of art - it's intentionally dishonest and confusing, Eminem wanted people (from his own mouth, so not me guessing) to be unsure what his real views were. How is that honest.

I'm not saying MMLP2 should have mirrored this concept, but the ways in which you're saying they are connected aka metaphor for greatness is just something you've invented. They are not connected in that way because that intent did not exist, that is a metaphor in your head.

[_Hawk_]

Whether I have invented it or not is a moot point. It holds up.
Read the Rolling Stone interview and, rather like with the original MMLP, you can understand what Em's intentions are if you read between the lines.

That's your point isn't it? He's expecting the fans to understand the work?
Well, I understand it.

/checkmate.

[Trilla]

So, what was the point of MMLP 2?

[Kill You]

To make Jay and Kanye look below him and unworthy of GOAT status. Mission success.