by whore to a chainsaw » Nov 3rd, '13, 06:08
This is a topic I'll have to come back to when I'm less tired. Fuck it... Not only that, it's a topic in which I'm going to need to head to one of the trailers outside of my town, knock on one of their doors, tell them I've got money, mountain dew and phone chargers and get myself a half-ball of methamphetamine.
I'm going to smoke that shit up on a Friday night, masturbate for 6-10 hours... Worry about the potential priapism and soft-tissue damage I just gave myself for 2-3 hours, clean the FUCK out of my room... and the kitchen... and THEN, come on here, come to this thread and write a fucking 50-thousand word thesis on the topic of why people's opinions in regards to the quality of music when placed in comparison to the quality of ANOTHER piece or package of music from the same artist in a different era gets completely skewered, manipulated and poisoned to the degree in which some of the brightest minds amongst the percentage of our society that is into said music... in which extremely sharp minded, eloquent & elaborate thinkers have their beliefss in regards to what they think THEIR OWN favorite pieces of music are (music specifically for reasons I will get into one day that aren't fact but theories in my mind) altered before said beliefs even meet the conscious mind right before its internal monologue/verbalization.
You guys that are saying SSLP (there are exceptions, obviously but I do think that this applies for a lot of you and I know being told that you're wrong about what YOU like better is going to make me the most annoying motherfucker you've ever seen on here and no one is going to like me and I may look ignorant as fuck... but I'm a critical thinker and I'm taking a risk here) that SSLP is better than MMLP2 are objectively wrong and you know better but the emotions you associate at a subconscious level with the "Elite 3 albums" (which you saw on your own but wasn't cemented into your psyche until the power of suggestion applied to your mindset throughout years of tens of thousands of posts from others in which the majority felt similar) confirmed it as a fact... and then you associate those elite 3 with whatever initial feelings made you fall in love with not Eminem... but with being aware of Eminem's career. Those CD's are associated in your subconscious minds with everything that makes you an Eminem fan... but not necessarily because any of those 3 are better than any of his other CD's (The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem show ARE, in fact, his best CD's as well as the MMLP2 now) but because the SSLP is way more to you than just the music. It represents the spawning of everything you've ever loved in your own thoughts relating to Eminem's career... combined with every thought you've ever had thinking of his music while not listening to it... going over the lyrics in your head... it represents the spawning of everything you've ever experienced as an Eminem fan... which has likely all been positive... INCLUDING the release of CD's like Encore. CD's like Encore were only bad in the sense that they were only good and not great or incredible.
Basically, like EminemBase said... SSLP served a bigger purpose. EminemBase is one of the most eloquent, articulate, writers and one of the evidently deepest thinkers on this site... and his mind is aware of the fact that when placing SSLP ahead of MMLP2 in regards to "the better album" he can not simply answer "SSLP" without specifically addressing the fact that aside from the actual question we're all answering in regards to which is the better album... a big part of his choice was "How big the purpose was for SSLP."
This will happen in the minds of most of you I would presume. A lot of you will think "Those songs are legendary... think 97' Bonnie and Clyde! Brain damage! Just don't and Still don't give a fuck!"
It's like... when people ask me what the better final fantasy game is... 8, or 7. I have an emotional attachment to 8. I have never admitted that 7 is better until now... but yes... even though 8 "feels like my special game" and I LIKE 8 more than any of them... 7 is the better game.
This could be used as an analogy as to why (IN MY OPINION) I believe that a lot of you will THINK you think that SSLP is the BETTER ALBUM when you don't even think that... and your conscious mind doesn't even know it because of the enormous, logic killing amount of emotions you have associated with Eminem's career and the ridiculously enormous amount of importance placed on the manner in which he presented the introduction to his career as a FAMOUS rapper.
Umm... How can I back this up? To any of you that truly believe SSLP is better... (Basically, to everyone that wishes they could punch me in the face for being so fucking ignorant as to tell them what and what THEY don't like) just think about how fucked up it would be if you realized I was right? You don't want to because of the very reasons that you don't think I am. The thought of MMLP2 being better than SSLP is a bad thought... just as you think the opposite applies for those with the opposite standpoint because we're basking in our glory after convincing ourselves Eminem is in his prime again when sadly, he's not. No... it is the other side in which the denial exists. Those who were around for the SSLP and in their minds now... the music from the SSLP corresponds with huge, important, beautiful moments from their lives. From their youths. This applies so much with SSLP because it's also linked to the rest of Eminem's career in the same manner that I'm trying to describe as it is the foundation for the rest of it. If we were talking about mmlp1 or TES instead of SSLP here... SSLP would be just as relevant as either of those two.
Ok... to any of you that truly believe SSLP is better... Imagine hypothetically that something EXACTLY as "good" (when considering any area that could possibly be judged when considering a hip hop album... lyrics, production, image portrayed of a new artist, how it will relate to the MASSES (but not you specifically as that causes emotions, the logic killer and can make an album much better to one person than it is objectively, at an average and eventually compared to other albums) but etc... ANY area that could be judged) as the SSLP came out at the beginning of Eminem's career. Hypothetically, this flowed into MMLP JUST as well and somehow, added the exact same thing to his career while each song was completely different and shared none of the exact lyrics, beats, song names, etc.
You could do this the way I'm presenting it or reversed... but then imagine having never heard SSLP before but HAVING heard something EXACTLY as lyrically impressive... EXACTLY as good content wise and musically and from all of those other angles... and then having SSLP come out now at this point in Eminem's career... place that beside what would happen with MMLP2 if this hypothetical, equal to SSLP album was the career starter... What album would be better?
I think if you truly consider it... I guess I may have done a whole lot of typing for nothing while trying to explain a very tough concept (and I do it because I REALLY care about my Eminem discussions, lol, I know I could be wrong but I'm giving it a go) but just take songs from SSLP, pretend they were replaced with something equally good in all ways way back then and you'd never heard them, and then pretend they showed up on MMLP2 at this point in Eminem's career instead of whatever songs from MMLP2.
There are no songs on SSLP that wouldn't get ridiculed like crazy if judged from the standard Eminem made for himself after MMLP1 and TES. The standard Encore, Relapse, and Recovery were looked down on from but SSLP got a free pass because it introduced him and touched people's lives and emotions... so even though the quality of the music is nothing compared to mmlp, mmlp2 and tes it's considered so fantastic (and I really do love SSLP I'm just trying to not deny anything here) because Eminem fans that were around back then have associated it with big, emotional, rose-tinted (in cases) memories of their youth which will dominate their sense of the present in most cases... and to realistically admit that MMLP2 is BY FAR the better album... it would feel to them like they're saying "This means to me what SSLP means to me... and SSLP means way more to me." This is true. This is why EminemBase couldn't just say SSLP... he felt the need to justify his decision even if slightly. "SSLP was much more IMPORTANT. The impact SSLP had on the world (duh... The impact Eminem would have on the world would be huge and important on the first CD regardless of whether or not it lived up to his best stuff... even at 80% of his potential or so) was so much more than MMLP2!)
The fucked up thing is... I truly believe that smart people & at the same time, diehard Eminem fans will truly believe that they think SSLP is better than MMLP2... but when you really look at it, it's so fucking absurd. What an interesting fucking sociology concept. What a great example when considering what different note combos heard during someone's youth while associated with a message and an image of someone actually affect in someone's emotions years later... strong enough to cause them to deny EVIDENT reality a decade and a half later and TRULY BELIEVE that they're right.
Ok, this is long as fuck and like I said... I fucking ramble. I hope I didn't make any of you too pissed. I'm kind of just thinking about this myself and I know I could be as wrong as I'm saying other people are without knowing it... about this, rather than my preference in Eminem's music... but it's just a hypothesis I thought of and now believe and want to express. I hope no one insults me about benzo induced brain damage or whatever because I pissed them off here. I know people DO NOT LIKE when their favorite ART FORMS or FORMS OF ENTERTAINMENT are seemingly insulted or reviewed by others as something less than what they see it as. This is a fact. Diss someone's favorite book, video game, movie, etc... any form of entertainment... I would think music CD's by favorite artists ESPECIALLY... the way their minds process it is similar to the person being insulted THEMSELVES. Please no one hate me for suggesting this. I know my writing sucks from a technical standpoint. And thats' a under_statement. Although, if one person reads this post and gives MMLP2 the credit it deserves when considering it's ranking amongst the Eminem albums... well, that would be gay cause I've been typing for half an hour... but if ~six and a half people or so read it and have an epiphany... I will be happy and die a man. I probably won't die a happy man regardless (protracted benzo withdrawals... anhedonia... might as well say fuck getting my hopes up) but I've been learning to settle for minimal, spurious & short-lived distractions from the hell I live in and one of the things that does it for me is knowing my fucked up mind has caused someone to think critically.
The best is if I can give advice that helps someone... this is just going to piss everybody off... well, about 10 percent of you. The rest will just see the wall of text and be like "Uhh... maybe once I've had my coffee" and scroll passed this. Maybe wait and see if anyone quotes me and conveys emotion in their response.
I'm not crazy I swear. I'm seriously coming off of tranqs and I think a lot and I'm fairly extroverted and forthcoming about thoughts and opinions that I believe others may find absurd while caring less about what people may think of me for it than your average person would. I've found that over the years, most people tend to APPRECIATE this characteristic of mine... people respect uniquity even if uniquity is basically a synonim for weird and the only difference is whether you're speaking of a person you think highly of or a person you dislike.
OK... fuck... I'm... stopping...
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