Em's Rap God Speed / Complexity...

[kkaniff]

@ganjakush
Good point, but I think sales- all in all- are as good an indicator as any, plus it's one of the very few non-subjective, measurable factors we've got.
PS I mean sales as in >100/150 million records

[ganjakush56]

@ganjakush
Good point, but I think sales- all in all- are as good an indicator as any, plus it's one of the very few non-subjective, measurable factors we've got.
PS I mean sales as in >100/150 million records

I agree that sales, in some cases, may be indicative of talent but my only point is that sales are also sometimes the result of other factors including resources, connections, the setting and climate in which you are exhibiting your art, the time period, and the background of the artist. I know this may be an unpopular opinion but Eminem was HIGHLY marketable to middle/upper class demographics because his content does not necessarily appeal to a lifestyle associated with lower class people (the colloquially understood "hood culture"). In other words, his content was easy to relate to and associate with on a massive scale and no doubt, Interscope/Aftermath took full advantage of this. One cannot argue that this also played a role into his massive sales figures.

Historically, the majority of record sales come from the middle/upper class demographics and SSLP goes 4x platinum, mmlp - diamond, TES- diamond. Even the curtain call greatest hits went 2x platinum as did the Re-Up. His sales figures, even today, are still going strong as the MMLP2 is about to go 2x platinum in an economic climate where piracy is more popular than purchasing music. This also explains why 50 Cent, out the gate, has MASSIVE sales figures - he was backed and pushed by Eminem, Shady Records, Dre, and Aftermath. He then appealed to the demographics from which the most record sales come from. 50 Cent is not on the same level as Eminem from an artistic standpoint yet his debut studio album outsold SSLP, Encore, Relapse, Recovery, and so far MMLP2 - that almost his entire discography bar mmlp and TES.

All i'm saying that there are many factors that contribute to massive sales figures for an artist.

[csw621]

@ganjakush
Good point, but I think sales- all in all- are as good an indicator as any, plus it's one of the very few non-subjective, measurable factors we've got.
PS I mean sales as in >100/150 million records

I agree that sales, in some cases, may be indicative of talent but my only point is that sales are also sometimes the result of other factors including resources, connections, the setting and climate in which you are exhibiting your art, the time period, and the background of the artist. I know this may be an unpopular opinion but Eminem was HIGHLY marketable to middle/upper class demographics because his content does not necessarily appeal to a lifestyle associated with lower class people (the colloquially understood "hood culture"). In other words, his content was easy to relate to and associate with on a massive scale and no doubt, Interscope/Aftermath took full advantage of this. One cannot argue that this also played a role into his massive sales figures.

Historically, the majority of record sales come from the middle/upper class demographics and SSLP goes 4x platinum, mmlp - diamond, TES- diamond. Even the curtain call greatest hits went 2x platinum as did the Re-Up. His sales figures, even today, are still going strong as the MMLP2 is about to go 2x platinum in an economic climate where piracy is more popular than purchasing music. This also explains why 50 Cent, out the gate, has MASSIVE sales figures - he was backed and pushed by Eminem, Shady Records, Dre, and Aftermath. He then appealed to the demographics from which the most record sales come from. 50 Cent is not on the same level as Eminem from an artistic standpoint yet his debut studio album outsold SSLP, Encore, Relapse, Recovery, and so far MMLP2 - that almost his entire discography bar mmlp and TES.

All i'm saying that there are many factors that contribute to massive sales figures for an artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHuzZ_YJiEU

[kkaniff]

Totally agree, except for

because his content
does not necessarily appeal to a
lifestyle associated with lower class
people

My point is that sales are a better indicator of artistry than anything else.
What do you think could be a more accurate indicator?

[slims]

yep, both of his parents were there and no one knocked him into a coma.

[ganjakush56]

yep, both of his parents were there and no one knocked him into a coma.

lol what i mean was that he didn't rap reppin yo set, bangin wit niggas, clockin hoes, pimpin tricks, and keepin it down. NIgga didnt rap about bangin with fools, doin drive bys, slingin crack, weed, meth or other shit like that.

[Excita]

Ganjakush, nobody doesn't understand a _shit_ what are you talking about.

[csw621]

lol what i mean was that he didn't rap reppin yo set, bangin wit niggas, clockin hoes, pimpin tricks, and keepin it down. NIgga didnt rap about bangin with fools, doin drive bys, slingin crack, weed, meth or other shit like that.

lol, what

[Elision]

@ganjakush
Good point, but I think sales- all in all- are as good an indicator as any, plus it's one of the very few non-subjective, measurable factors we've got.
PS I mean sales as in >100/150 million records

I agree that sales, in some cases, may be indicative of talent but my only point is that sales are also sometimes the result of other factors including resources, connections, the setting and climate in which you are exhibiting your art, the time period, and the background of the artist. I know this may be an unpopular opinion but Eminem was HIGHLY marketable to middle/upper class demographics because his content does not necessarily appeal to a lifestyle associated with lower class people (the colloquially understood "hood culture"). In other words, his content was easy to relate to and associate with on a massive scale and no doubt, Interscope/Aftermath took full advantage of this. One cannot argue that this also played a role into his massive sales figures.

Historically, the majority of record sales come from the middle/upper class demographics and SSLP goes 4x platinum, mmlp - diamond, TES- diamond. Even the curtain call greatest hits went 2x platinum as did the Re-Up. His sales figures, even today, are still going strong as the MMLP2 is about to go 2x platinum in an economic climate where piracy is more popular than purchasing music. This also explains why 50 Cent, out the gate, has MASSIVE sales figures - he was backed and pushed by Eminem, Shady Records, Dre, and Aftermath. He then appealed to the demographics from which the most record sales come from. 50 Cent is not on the same level as Eminem from an artistic standpoint yet his debut studio album outsold SSLP, Encore, Relapse, Recovery, and so far MMLP2 - that almost his entire discography bar mmlp and TES.

All i'm saying that there are many factors that contribute to massive sales figures for an artist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHuzZ_YJiEU

ever notice that elliot just got hotter and hotter every season? a big piece of my childhood died when they tore down sacred heart last year, they did it without telling anybody, i had planned to visit

[csw621]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHuzZ_YJiEU

ever notice that elliot just got hotter and hotter every season? a big piece of my childhood died when they tore down sacred heart last year, they did it without telling anybody, i had planned to visit

that sucks about the hospital I had no idea. I tivod every episode of that shit just in case it was one of the ones where they showed her from behind or in a bra

[Eedee]

I believe there's something deep in marshall mathers' brain that gives him an innate ability to rhyme and make music that will leave you, for quite literally lack of a better word, speechless. nobody on the planet can do what he can do and communicate the way he can. anyone who doesn't see that is out of touch with reality

Fuck you.

[csw621]

I believe there's something deep in marshall mathers' brain that gives him an innate ability to rhyme and make music that will leave you, for quite literally lack of a better word, speechless. nobody on the planet can do what he can do and communicate the way he can. anyone who doesn't see that is out of touch with reality

Fuck you.

okay but you'll have to buy me dinner first

[Eedee]

I believe there's something deep in marshall mathers' brain that gives him an innate ability to rhyme and make music that will leave you, for quite literally lack of a better word, speechless. nobody on the planet can do what he can do and communicate the way he can. anyone who doesn't see that is out of touch with reality

Fuck you.

okay but you'll have to buy me dinner first

Ight.

[Elision]

I believe there's something deep in marshall mathers' brain that gives him an innate ability to rhyme and make music that will leave you, for quite literally lack of a better word, speechless. nobody on the planet can do what he can do and communicate the way he can. anyone who doesn't see that is out of touch with reality

didn't you drive off a bridge back in like 2000? what are you doing here?

[kkaniff]

WTF is wrong with what he said?