Is Eminem kinda selling out?

[Jaz]

No.

He has always said whatever the fuck he wanted, put out any type/style of song he wanted, that to me is never selling out. He never did shit for the money or the fame, he never used his to take any advantage he wanted, or that's how I see it.

Selling out would be 50 Cent, who once his albums starting dropping in sales did everything else to make money. Was it smart, fuck yeah it was, but he came in it for the music and turned his back on it, that's a sell out in my book, not eminem.

I still don't understand how collabing with different people would be considered selling out anyway, it's not like he got on a song with wayne when he went nuts with songs and mixtapes in 06-08. Cause he has rhianna on a song that's selling out? Get the fuck outta here with this bullshit

50 was about the money since day one. He's just a business man who happens to make music.

I understand that Em's trying to do something different. But like I said.. Notice he's only collabing with people who are the radio allll dayyy longggg on this album.. Usually that's not the case.

He came back from his hiatus on Forever. Why? Because there were 3 of the most popular artists out on it, and it was a good way to gain back some of his publicity.

He made drop the world.. why? Because Wayne's albums are guaranteed to sell millions no matter how horrendous it turns out to be. I refuse to believe a guy with underground roots like Em actually believes Wayne is one of the greatest ever. That doesn't make any sense based on who we all know Em is.

It only makes sense that with features like Recovery has that he's just continuing that.

I could be very wrong, but based on facts presented up to this point, I can't see myself being wrong.

[Emadyville]

^^^ I understand what you're saying. But when you say that because of the features he is selling out and just trying to go with whose popular, that doesn't make sense to me, considering he is the best selling rapper EVER, and was after 4 albums.

If he wanted to collab with them because he wanted to, because he liked their music, or thought they'd fit a song he needed a hook for, or feature, how is that selling out?

I hope you know what I'm trying to say

[ohimesama]

Em isn't selling out :

What can be the reason of having a track with rihana? Get real.
The only reason is fame and the money. You cant say that she's an artist
so eminem would enjoy making songs with her

lol Yea, except Rihanna is the only artist out of today's pop stars that's recieveing real praise from critics. Go look at her reviews for Rated R ( http://www.rihannadaily.com/2010/04/28/ ... worldwide/), not a single pop/mainstream female album has touched that in years by ANYONE. Those are 4 and 5 star reviews from the every leading publiciation on an album that she co-wrote most of it.

Not Britney, Madonna, Mariah Christina, Lady Gaga, P!nk, Beyonce, AND AND certaintly not that has-been no talent Ciara you have going on there lmao.

Hell, the Jay-Z collabo she did last year won 2 grammy awards. Then from a commerical standpoint - she has more #1's than any other female artist since 2000 and she's only been around half that time lol.

The Rihanna and Em track is what I'm looking forward to the most from the collabos (I haven't listened to the leaks yet)

whats with ciara thing here?

however. I dont care about critics, critics say bullshit most of the time.
I wont even go in genres they choose for my fav artists.

And please dont continue cause that talentless chick is not worth it.

[Jaz]

Yeah I deff know what you're saying, and you could very well be right..

I just feel like Em thinks he has something to prove now. I mean, he's always hinted out how he thought he was sick, but he was always very humble about it at the same time.. For instance when he lists top rappers in that one track.. for some reason I can't think of the name..

Anyway, my point being I feel like now he's out to prove he's on top, and wants more people to listen and prove it for him.. and the names he brought in on Recovery will get him those extra listens for sure.


I'm mostly basing this off of the lines in the third verse in 'Won't Back Down,' the fact that I feel like he's experimenting with various different flows we've never heard before, and the fact that he wants to prove he can do better than Relapse (referencing 'Not Afraid')

And that combined with what I mentioned in the previous post I made just makes me think 'ehh idk about all this'

But like I said, I could be very wrong.

[UnIquEEniGma]

Is him making a track with Kobe selling out? or 12 other solo tracks selling out?
Pink made a good hook
Rihanna probably will make a better one
It's not selling out to have Lil Wayne do a verse, it's smart. He's putting his name back out there and going hard, wouldn't you try and make the most out of it while your at your peak?

[Emadyville]

To jaz ^^, I understand your point, and i guess this also is just opinions, and what people think or he even how they define a sell out.

Btw, songs Till I Collapse you were mentioning

[Jaz]

Btw, songs Till I Collapse you were mentioning

Lmao.. one of my favorite Em songs and I couldn't remember the name.. smh at myself..

[UnIquEEniGma]

For instance when he lists top rappers in that one track.. for some reason I can't think of the name

Till I Collapse?
It goes, Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outcast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas and then me?

[RealSickLindley]

Wayne- one of the best guys at the moment, definitly running the mainstream game with Jigga anyway. Makes sense to collab with him, plus they get on personally.

Rih/Pink- their voices matched their respective songs, so who cares who is on it? We should be grateful that more people will listen to Shady songs.

Also, by saying 'even if it matches them vocally, don't have them because they're popular', you're being as close minded as the mainstream fans you accuse of hating on rap.

Recovery will break records man.

[Jaz]

Recovery will break records man.

No album is ever going to break any serious sales records again imo.. Beside some very specific categories.

[macdaddy019967]

no i dont think eminem is selling out

[Pllumi]

no i dont think eminem is selling out

[moose35]

smh at people calling Rihanna a bad singer. She's getting sick reviews from just about any critic. She can actually sing good live, and not soung like she's dying of throat cancer on stage (most pop singers today). I like her.

[RealSickLindley]

Recovery will break records man.

No album is ever going to break any serious sales records again imo.. Beside some very specific categories.

I mean for this year dude. But we can dream, if another single kicks off.

[EminemBase]

Anyone who thinks he's collabing with them for any reason other than money is a fool... I mean, maybe Pink because she just has that attitude about her that kinda matches Em somewhat, but Rihanna I never saw coming. (Not that I did see Pink comin)..

As for Wayne, Drop the World came out good so I don't mind this, but he did Forever, and then drop the world simply for the added publicity from currently high-selling artists..

Either way, I don't care if people sell out as long as they are dropping nice verses. Em has always been the type to rap about fictional stories, etc. anyway, so I don't think it would have as much of an effect on him as say.. Idk someone who claims to be some gangbanger with teardrops who suddenly decides to drop terrible rock albums that simply aren't 'him' just for the money.. coughcough

No, anybody who thinks Eminem did those collaborations for money IS a fucking moron. The amount of shit he could of done for money by now, Pink and Rhianna don't pay him to feature on his tracks when he's fucking asking them. And if you mean via upshot by more sales... Again, the amount of things he could of done, it's absolute bullshit that it's for money.

He could of endorsed a slew of products, appeared in commercials, done a reality show (COUGH, 50 DONE ALL OF THESE). But he hasn't. He's one of the biggest faces on the planet and he's never done any of this. He's also done ONE movie because it was the only one good enough. That is what you call integrity, especially considering the amount of movies / $$$ that must of been offered by now.

He's quite obviously just trying to make unexpected moves, be unpredictable and go left field again. As well as making different music. Eminem may happen to be a mainstream artist now, by way of popularity but make no mistake, he's still an absolute individualist. He still does / says exactly what he likes and is hands on and innovative.

When his last album was a serial killer album, brimmed with rape and torture and his latest songs him screaming about fucking the entire Universe and giving Bruce Wayne valium - You cannot say he has sold out. These themes are the opposite of mainstream. They're not easy to swallow for most people. They're challenging, whether you like them or not, they are not easy, safe, popular routes. So just because a few songs have some big names attched means FUCK ALL.

I'm sure there was a very good reason he used Rhianna. And assuming he doesn't really think she's talented just because you don't is a false connection. Many people also didn't think he'd like Lil Wayne either. He does, fucking deal with it. Selling out = compromising your integrity for money. He has NEVER EVER done this. Working with big names is not selling out. When he starts making safe, watered down music in an easy consumable manner, you can say he's sold out. Until then, the claim is not valid.