What don't you like about Recovery?

[Master Chief]

For anyone with complaints regarding Recovery (I assume most people do) please specifiy what you dislike/hate Recovery. I'm still not sure what the MAIN complaint is. With Relapse it is/was the accents, subject matters, Beautiful and apparently it WAS the lack of replay value.

But, with Recovery it's still a big ? for me. Honestly, when I use to lurk these forums back in July, I had never seen anyone complain about the shouting until recently when Roman's Revenge was released. To me, that's a BS reason because RR is not part of Recovery but people like to add it to the problems in Recovery list because they've grown tired of the screaming.

Anyways, my issue with Recovery is the overall cohesiveness of the album, Won't Back Down doesn't fit and the sub-par production even though the good beats are REALLY good like Cinderella Man, Seduction, On Fire, & 25 to Life

I'm sorry, if this thread has been posted a million times, but this is something I've asked myself a lot in these past few days.

[shadyboymez]

- the production is all over the place, and has no signature sound
- the beats are just typical to what is being heard today, he didn't go above and beyond
- eminem used to say "just dont give a fuck", but clearly on this album he does
- he collaborated with artists i never wanted to hear in an eminem song (rihanna, lil wayne)
- overall, it just doesn't give me the feeling that his past albums had given me...it is lacking in personality

[Emadyville]

I really don't have any complaints, the only thing I wish was diffferent would be maybe having more hooks by him, but I don't dislike any of them he didn't do.

I like the fact it seems he got these beats, wrote and recorded and then it was done. To me that is how the album sounds (as most agree and dislike the production) but in a good way. It feels like he had a few months and produced the album with the most tracks (actual songs) and I personally think he killed all of em. I used to not replay a handful, then they grew on me, and that's what makes it good I think is how the randomess sorta makes it seem like "damn, he just went after each beat and did this and that or whatever to it"...prolly just me tho.

What I hate the most is everyone finding something to complain about

[AnalKiddo]

Untitled and WTP

[xnoxiousx]

- the production is all over the place, and has no signature sound
- the beats are just typical to what is being heard today, he didn't go above and beyond
- eminem used to say "just dont give a fuck", but clearly on this album he does
- he collaborated with artists i never wanted to hear in an eminem song (rihanna, lil wayne)
- overall, it just doesn't give me the feeling that his past albums had given me...it is lacking in personality

No need for me to post ill quote this since this sums it up well.

[mdemaz]

The yelling@1$@#R#4T3T3Toneoneeleventy

[Eazy-GFX]

- the production is all over the place, and has no signature sound
- the beats are just typical to what is being heard today, he didn't go above and beyond
- eminem used to say "just dont give a fuck", but clearly on this album he does
- he collaborated with artists i never wanted to hear in an eminem song (rihanna, lil wayne)
- overall, it just doesn't give me the feeling that his past albums had given me...it is lacking in personality

Some of that just sums it up for me quiet well.

[Asd-ONE]

It's not Shady.

[EminemBase]

The only major problem I have with Recovery is the production.

There's too many sounds for it to have a memorable musical back-bone so it's just a collection of random tracks, as apposed to an album of material ie. a collection of songs that all have a single or collective musical aim together...

In terms of style, every track sounds like it should be there - no complaints there, but, I just wish he had produced it himself or worked with one or two producers max, all together, to create a coherent album. As apposed to just getting a bunch of producers, all with different sounds and then picking his fave.

Also, wouldn't of minded more hooks totally from him but, he usually does nearly all of them so, I don't mind the variety. Same goes for production. I never want a repeat performance, so I'm glad I have an album's worth of Em with different producers and singers on hooks. I really hope HE produces the next album though. I don't think he'll ever reach the heights of his first three without his own beats, along with the Bass Bros, or at least that quality.

[Satire]

- The voice. Not the yelling, he's hardly yelling tbh. There's a shit load of rappers that yell. But something about his delivery makes him seem really whiny in some tracks. It makes his voice seem weaker than it once was.

- The hooks. He's becoming like so many other mainstream rappers in the sense that he's getting so focused and feeling so much enjoyment in writing verses that he's getting too lazy to think of his own hooks, so he aims for beats already with choruses and samples, and most of them were lackluster. Atleast, I'm assuming that is the reason. Some of the best hooks on the album were the ones actually made by him.

- Production. I've explained this alot so I don't care so much as to explain again. It's not as "terrible" as some people make it, but for a major mainstream record it's pretty much one of the worst of 2010. There are underground releases with better beats than this album.

- It doesn't have one cohesive sound, like you said.

- Punchlines/lyrics. He doesn't need to do them. He sacrifices his once ridiculously good rhyme scheme to execute stupid punchlines. It also ruins the moment. Love The Way You Lie is a very well written song, but in the middle of this song, a song about domestic violence and apologizing for beating the shit out of your girlfriend, he makes a pun about this:


- WTP.

I'm also iffy on the singing but I don't really care if it stays or not.

[N.E.R.O.]

- the production is all over the place, and has no signature sound
- the beats are just typical to what is being heard today, he didn't go above and beyond
- eminem used to say "just dont give a fuck", but clearly on this album he does
- he collaborated with artists i never wanted to hear in an eminem song (rihanna, lil wayne)
- overall, it just doesn't give me the feeling that his past albums had given me...it is lacking in personality

No need for me to post ill quote this since this sums it up well.

Agreed

[im2pac]

because em is too fucking lazy to make a real emotion come out of his throat since he took all those drugs and so now he looks like a scared little boy, other then that, greatest album ever made.

[dbeauluvswomen]

He needs to go back to doing Hip-Hop.

[richard]

as much as i love recovery, i have to agree about the scattered production. also, some of the punchlines are great, but some are forced.

and as for the vocals, he should do the type of layering he did a lot in TES. he has this gift of having such impeccable timing, right on the hi-hats, really fitting in the beat. some rappers would struggle in the booth to layer vocals as well as he does. but this seems to have been lost since his comeback - except on "beautiful" but that was from earlier.

[Kez]

For the most part, i'm cool with the production. I think Dre or Em doing it would have been better still, but for the most part it wasn't too bad. Don't get me wrong there's some fucking shit ones in there, like Not Afraid and Won't Back Down, but overall not too bad. Seriously, Not Afraid could have been 10 times better for me if only the beat was changed. Mart's remix of it automatically made it easier to listen to. I think You're Never Over's beat completely doesn't suit it too. Totally ruins the mood. Equally though 25 To Life was perfect, Cold Wind Blows epic, On Fire pretty decent, and most of the other beats were tolerable i guess. Cinderella Man's drums annoy the fuck out of me though, makes that song damn-near unlistenable for me.

I don't really care about the "shouting", cause it's not that prevalent on the album. The only songs where i find it annoying is Cinderella Man and Almost Famous (esp. AF). And on those songs, it's only annoying because it's not neccessary.

I don't like the collaborations. Pink is meh, but if you had asked me a few years ago, when Eminem was about to return, who would i hate for him to collaborate with, Rihanna and Lil Wayne would literally be the top two. I'm pretty sure if someone were to look through my posts on here, they'd see me saying it lmao. Wayne did alright on No Love, and Rihanna did alright on LTWYL (though she's still a vapid bitch who will just automatically sing about anything with the word "love" in it to get money), but it's the fact that he feels the need to work with such big names, as though he needs the exposure. He's fucking Eminem. For all the talk of his "confidence being back" and everything, some stuff sure doesn't point to it.

I also hate some of the things he says lyrically on the album. First, the fucking punchline shit. I mean really? It makes him sound like someone who's listened to too much Lil Wayne, like he came back from the rap game (as though Relapse never happened) and thought "right, this is what's popular, so i will do it too.". Plus, i hate the fact that he dismisses his previous albums; Relapse was fucking great, just ill-timed. Granted, Encore was a bit average, but he doesn't have to fucking "apologise" for it. Plus, on some of the songs on Recovery he just raps about..well, how good he is. Cinderella Man; what the fuck is that song about, really? It's just 4 minutes of Em bragging from what i can tell. You're Never Over was handled terribly; i still don't see why he couldn't just lay off the shit punchlines for a sincere tribute to Proof. Plus, he spends half that song rapping about how far he has come. I mean wtf? It's about Proof not you, lol. Plus, I will always maintain that Love The Way You Lie is a carbon copy of Love You More, wasn't needed, and was only put on the album because he knew it would sell, same reason he put Rihanna on it. I mean, it's not like the album lacked love songs; Space Bound, Seduction (to a degree), plus you had 25 to Life which is kind of a love song, and So Bad which is the more light-hearted side of that kind of shit. But no, the 14-year-old girls needed a "romantic" song they could use as their Facebook status, so Em made LTWYL.

I find it kind of funny that so many girls think he's some sweet guy, but that if they listened to Recovery, they would hear an album-opener which hates on women immensely, something he continues to do through pretty much all the album. Even 25 to Life, sure he's talking about hip hop but obviously he's comparing it to a woman, and he still calls it a "bitch" and tells it a big "fuck you", lol. If anything, Space Bound is much more romantic than Love The Way You Lie, and imo shows much more conflict. But, it aint got Rihanna on it, so fuck it right?

And mainly i just don't like the feel the album gives. What happened to "Just Don't Give a Fuck", Em? And the worst thing is, that it's not like he lost it after his drug overdoses; after being out of hip hop for 4 years, he comes back with an album about killing people in McDonalds and breakdancing with Christopher Reeves. Sure, it caused a lot of outbursts, but that's a good thing! At least it got people talking. The fact he would come back and not do what was expected of him (i.e. a "woe-is-me" type of thing) was refreshing, and reminded us all why we like him in the first place. He's not a fucking mainstream whore. But now, he comes back with:

- A Boi-1da beat, with drums that every annoying fucker uses
- Punchlines which mimic what is popular in rap
- An unbelievably corny love song
- APOLOGIES for his last album, WHICH WAS FUCKING GOOD
- Lil Wayne and Rihanna features

It's just kind of dissapointing i suppose

But yeah it's still a good album in parts. Probably my second least favourite after Encore, though, to be honest. The songs i like from it, i really really like, but the ones i don't, i really really don't. So, yeah.