Maybe the whole point of MMLP2 is to not be like MMLP.

[whore to a chainsaw]

It seems like everyone is under the impression that Eminem is likely trying to recapture the feel of the original marshall mathers LP...

I have yet to see anyone mention this so I will do the honor.

What if the original marshall mathers LP was dark because Marshall Mathers was going through that whole laundry list of crap (it was posted on here once) in 1999-2000 and therefore, at that point in time, a representation of ''Marshall Mathers'' would have to be dark to be accurate?

Eminem is still Marshall Mathers.

I'm wondering if all the title means is it is a very personal album to him...

Obviously the original MMLP was very personal for him whether he was in character or not... he was still marshall mathers playing a fake marshall mathers because of things that the real marshall mathers was trying to say in an extremely artistic manner... due to the fake image that people had painted in their heads of the real marshall mathers... coloring him in their minds to resemble the fake marshall mathers that he represented himself as throughout that CD to prove a point and stick it back to them... so the ignorant morons that claimed all of this crap about him could get even more pissed off just SO that those that knew what was actually going on... knew his intent would be able to laugh along with him AT the ignorant morons that thought this was the real him. MMLP showcased the Eminem that Eminem was blamed for being... pumped up to the millionth degree.

Basically... The Marshall Mathers Lp may have been named what it was named to help make this point. It's a very personal album title since it is based on his name as a human being... I think the original MMLP was given the title that it was to amplify the artistic expression & concept behind it that the whole CD collectively exhibits.

It's simply a personal album title. The real him feels angry about a fake him being implanted in the minds of ignorant people that dont know the real him... and the real him deals with this by naming an album after the real him and becoming the him that those that dont know the real him ignorantly say is him... and then refusing to hold back... to any degree.

Is the real him the man that purposely creates a fake version of himself to artistically make a fucking joke out of those that dont know the real him...? or was the character he played on MMLP the real him?

Obviously its the former.

So what significance does this title have?

Perhaps the title MMLP2 means NOTHING in regards to it being similar in style to the person he was when he made the first one... although Im sure it IS supposed to imply a high level of quality... groundbreaking, actually...

But who says it will be dark, or anything similar to MMLP1? Why would it be?

Hes still marshall mathers. Obviously marshall mathers is going to be quite a bit different 12 and a half years after the last album he named after himself. What if the ''marshall mathers'' of today doesn't stand for the way he used to be at all and to him, the essence of the album title is not giving a fuck whether or not you all want his old angry style?

What if it's a bright, cheery, fun album and the title MMLP2 is a representation of him not giving a fuck that you're pissed about him not attempting to re-do MMLP1 ?

[ladelsofgravy]

mmlp was great because it innovated. so i agree like mmlp, mmlp2 should be something totally different instead of a retreat.

But, if you set a concept for an album, you do have to be faithful to it.

[Kill You]

Could have posted this in my chit-chat thread.

[CallMeBDB]

Thanks, was actually considering starting this discussion myself at some point. A lot of people on this forum are seriously approaching MMLP2 with the wrong state of mind.

I mean, honestly, does anyone really want or need an album that sounds like the first MMLP? I don't think so. When I saw that Beats ad, I thought to myself.. "Wow he named it that? That means this album has to be damn good." However, I didn't think then (still don't think now), and would be genuinely surprised if the album retreads MMLP to any degree thematically or sonically. Just because MMLP had sparse arrangements and a certain type of flow doesn't mean this one should. That expectation is unreasonable. It's a sequel, not a copy or remake. It SHOULDN'T sound like its predecessor. That would actually be a bad thing.

Some are living in the past, and it's going to ruin their ability to appreciate this album (if it ends up being worth praising in the first place.. always a point of contention). I see people left and right commenting on how they feel like this album is going to be a failure because of something they didn't like in Berzerk or Survival (comparing it to a past Eminem track/delivery/concept), but every time I read one of those comments I just . It means they're not willing to approach the music objectively, hinging their entire aesthetic on criteria that's extremely dated.

You have to grow with the artist, but apparently some people missed the train back in 2002. They were on the train for the first three albums though (there's a notable progression between MMLP and TES). I guess Encore knocked some people off that train... because ever since then they've been expecting replicas of the first three albums, which I find incredibly strange.

Personally, I'm just glad that an artist who can captivate me as much as Eminem came back. There are few artists I get this excited about nowadays and I eagerly await to hear what he comes up with, this time especially.

[kkaniff]

The fact that it is a sequel should tell anybody with a functional brain cell that while it may share themes, the subject matter wouldnt be exactly the same.
Those of you expecting celeb bashing and shock tactics, I hope to Morentz you're wrong.
I hope for more deeply introspective content and social commentary, along the lines of Sing For The Moment.

[Never_Enough]

Too... too many Marshall Mathers in one thread...

[ShadyxEminem]

He dyed his hair back for the video. The two middle fingers picture is just like the one from TRSS picture, and the devil horns picture is nothing like we've seen in the Recovery era. The first verse of Bezerk sounds like the MMLP him, and Bezerk has a little celebrity bashing.. like the MMLP. Eminem knows what he's doing. Why would he do all of that if he didn't want people to think that its going to sound like the MMLP?

[Eedee]

Rick Moranis is rolling over in his grave right now.

[CallMeBDB]

He dyed his hair back for the video. The two middle fingers picture is just like the one from TRSS picture, and the devil horns picture is nothing like we've seen in the Recovery era. The first verse of Bezerk sounds like the MMLP him, and Bezerk has a little celebrity bashing.. like the MMLP. Eminem knows what he's doing. Why would he do all of that if he didn't want people to think that its going to sound like the MMLP?

Since it's a direct sequel, it's reasonable to begin it somewhere near the end of the previous album, which allows for the reference to his past persona. The celebrity bashing is not really a trait specific of MMLP. Perhaps it was a bit more common on that album, though. The horns is a great way to reference a certain type of attitude, one that aligns itself with his past demeanor while also alluding to "GOAT" metaphors. However, even if he's doing a 180 from Recovery, I don't see why there should be expectations as specific as sound and subject matter. It ends up being way too narrow and self-serving each time I hear someone talk about that.

Nothing he's doing actually makes a person think it will actually sound similar to MMLP, unless that's what they personally want from it. Even if he permanently dyed his hair blonde and changed his mentality to match that Slim Shady public persona of old, I would never expect a sonic similarity. It's been fucking 13 years since that album. It SHOULD sound different. Musical tastes and conventions have changed significantly, and I would be unhappy if he just tried to emulate the last album.

[HotDawg]

He dyed his hair back for the video. The two middle fingers picture is just like the one from TRSS picture, and the devil horns picture is nothing like we've seen in the Recovery era. The first verse of Bezerk sounds like the MMLP him, and Bezerk has a little celebrity bashing.. like the MMLP. Eminem knows what he's doing. Why would he do all of that if he didn't want people to think that its going to sound like the MMLP?

[Mr.DGAF]

Rick Moranis is rolling over in his grave right now.

[Francesco]

Nah... it'll definitely feel like a sequel. The challenge is if it's out there to match it though.

[Notalius]

Obviously the original MMLP was very personal for him whether he was in character or not... he was still marshall mathers playing a fake marshall mathers because of things that the real marshall mathers was trying to say in an extremely artistic manner... due to the fake image that people had painted in their heads of the real marshall mathers... coloring him in their minds to resemble the fake marshall mathers that he represented himself as throughout that CD to prove a point and stick it back to them...

[Eminemeatinm&m]

Can't ya thug make sum o' dat short so I can read fo' 5 mins?

[AhetraFlankrin]

I was wishing for "The Rotator Cuff LP" but my dreams were crushed.