Let's get real about Eminem.

[Ricardo28]

Em now cares about radio playtime and sales too much, two songs on mmlp2 just to sell more. But yeah I still believe in the album

[SoldierShady]

Fuck radio.

[Lowdownandshifty]

If his worth 140 million, why should he be bothered about appeasing teeny boopers and mainstream zombies ? his still thirsty for Millions it seems. Showed it today with this track, why do people have to explain shit for him ? his never around doing interviews stuck in house like a reclusive while yourself and millions are thinking WTF is going on. When he does interviews his acting retarded half the time lol, seriously people need to stop making up theories and playing detectives and just take shit face value, if something shit says its shit, if you dont like his single say you dont like it. Dont go making excuses for the guy.

[Ricardo28]

Em now cares about radio playtime and sales too much, two songs on mmlp2 just to sell more. But yeah I still believe in the album

I see you still have faith in the album so this isn't necessarily at you....but all of you are talking about how he has to outsell Recovery by at least like 300k and go platinum first week...then 2 days later "Omg Eminem just wants to sell well and go platinum first week. Sell out. Why is he worried about sales". God I hate stans. He just gave us one of the hardest rap songs he's delivered in years, please try your best not to let your mood swings overflow onto the internet.

"Platinum first week! Platinum first week!" *releases inevitable radio single* "Fuck you Em all you care about is going platinum"

you got the point
But why people are so worried about the album? There is so much to listen just wait to leak or 5november, then we can talk.

[XxachiganxX]

If hes s worth 140 Mil, Why would he put out radio music...?... Thats the question that needs to be answered.

[4Corners]

I just never thought I'd get a point where I'd hear Eminem and actually start to question his flow. Even with Relapse, Recovery, HTS......his flow though not quite as good as his prime, was still the shit and was still the best rapper alive. Eminem is NOT the best rapper alive anymore, he isn't fucking with Nas right now, who's been consistent as fuck the last 13 years.

[Lowdownandshifty]

Yela wolf > Current Eminem. lets get real.

[4Corners]

Yela wolf > Current Eminem. lets get real.

Yelawolf ain't that good, don't even get me started. Talk about overrated as fuck on here. Yeah I like him, but he can't even make an album and stand on his own.

[4Corners]

Yela wolf > Current Eminem. lets get real.

Joey Badass > Everyone

Yeah Summer Knights wasn't nearly as good as 1999.

Idk if Joey can show a different side of him other then the straight raw 90's style he uses. Time will tell.

[electroencephalogram]

He said it himself, he wants to reach people and inspire them. You guys might think he's cooler the way he used to be by trying to mess with other people and diss people for just enjoying life, but I think it's pretty stupid. Only people who are hurt want to hurt people. When people have their life together, they want to help other people get their life together. It says a lot about the mental health of his core fans tbh.

[Dewey Decimal]

i dont think MMLP2 is gonna touch MMLP1, SSLP or TES ... but by the way the singles are going it looks like its gonna be better than everything hes put out since


its a step in the right direction for him ... hes still got the mainstream feel , and the wit in his lyrics has suffered. but he got some cool lyrics now

[4Corners]

i dont think MMLP2 is gonna touch MMLP1, SSLP or TES ... but by the way the singles are going it looks like its gonna be better than everything hes put out since


its a step in the right direction for him ... hes still got the mainstream feel , and the wit in his lyrics has suffered. but he got some cool lyrics now

How so???

His rapping sounds more off point than he ever has. He's all over the place all the fucking time, and the only time it works is Rap God, because that's the point of the song, to be all over the place lyrically and showcase his skills.

[Lowdownandshifty]

He said it himself, he wants to reach people and inspire them. You guys might think he's cooler the way he used to be by trying to mess with other people and diss people for just enjoying life, but I think it's pretty stupid. Only people who are hurt want to hurt people. When people have their life together, they want to help other people get their life together. It says a lot about the mental health of his core fans tbh.

MMLP is inspiring, it taught heaps of good shit, you saying MMLP is hurtful dawg ?
Plus eminem was rapping about breaking a table over a bunch of faggots backs. Eminem
inspiring music is fight music, that literally helps kids more then popish garbage, i remember
listening to his old tracks and feeling like nobody can touch me, i felt inspired to stand up
to anybody who would try give me a bad time in school.

[Squiggles123]

Eminem isn't what he once was.

We all know this, is that supposed to be an excuse for lack luster material?

Back when Slim made MMLP he was still living modestly. He wasn't even close to being a multimillionaire and was still trying to prove himself in a game that had completely ruled out his race.

And at this point in time, he needs to prove himself to the old fans that say he fell off, the people that rule him out when speaking about GOATS, the hipster critics that still bash on his music etc. etc. He did all of that on Rap God.... but to do only what? Address them with one song and then return to making the same bullshit they hate you for? It's all INCOHERENT just like Recovery.

Now Eminem is a 41 year old man who is worth $140 million and has had a better life than anyone can hope of having. For the last 13 years, Em has been one of the most famous celebrities in the world and is adored my many.

In terms of wealth, yes. But his music states otherwise. He hates the fact that he's famous and wishes to be a "regular civilian", he's divorced and has never been able to find a woman that makes him happy, his music has taken time away from him being a father, his best friend was murdered, and he suffered a dangerous addiction that nearly killed him. I'm not saying he isn't grateful for what he has, but to say he's lived a better life than anyone can hope for just because he's worth $140 million is quite shallow.

I understand some of you are angry that he named his upcoming LP MMLP2. I wholeheartedly agree with you, if he wasn't going to make a direct sequel to the MMLP, why call it a sequel?

I don't know.... to boost sales. That seems to be the only consistent theme with this album. Finding as many ways as possible to whore out your music for extra money, despite the fact that you are already worth $140 million.

Em hasn't had anything to complain about for the last 13 years and his drug addiction won't cut it anymore. I'm just as disappointed as you but can we at least give him a chance?

Nothing to complain about? How about the current state of hip-hop and the music industry in general? Wait... that means he would have to complain about himself and bash Recovery just like he bashed Relapse.....darn.

Or how about the many social/political issues going on in Detroit and the very country that it is a part of. Gun Control, The total fucking economic melt down, America's hunger for more wars... these are all topics Eminem was quick to jump on back when his head was on right... even if it was in tongue-in-cheek fashion.

MMLP2 will have some great tracks:

Bad Guy, Rhyme or Reason, Legacy, Asshole, Brainless, Evil Twin, Wicked Ways and Love Game will all be the tracks we want.

How do we know this for sure though? Who truly expected to be as disappointed as they are right now? I went from believing this album would be up there with his first 3, to already feeling like it won't be anywhere close to as good as Relapse and possibly being a toss up for his worst album along with Recovery (my preference of course). TRUST ME, I hope I am wrong and the worst song on the album is the Monster and everything else ranges from good to great. I never had a problem with Survival or Berzerk and absolutely loved Rap God.... but as it all comes together..... it's sounding like another incoherent cluster fuck, a quality which unfortunately seems to be apparent in anything Eminem has released since scrapping Relapse 2.

Sure we'll be treated to some Recovery like songs but Em has to make those songs to appeal to a mainstream audience.

We've already been treated to Recovery-esque music.... I find it hard to believe that Survival and The Monster will be the only Recovery type songs. It's almost a guarantee that Asshole will be produced by Alex Da Kid and taking a look at Eminem's track record with pop stars these last few years, Headlights will more than likely be one of if not the worst song on the album.

The point is that there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for Eminem to cater to a mainstream audience. As I've stated before, Relapse sold 2.2 million and won a Grammy for best Rap album, that was fucking EXCELLENT for a rapper passed his prime and nearing his 40's. Jay-Z hasn't done that and Kanye hasn't done that and that is with them compromising. Eminem's compromise on Relapse was Beautiful and Crack A Bottle.... the latter being a song in which he introduces himself as a rapist and murderer. What I love the most about Relapse, is that it was Eminem being Eminem and he was STILL able to sell that many records and win awards. Just proves to you that HE DOESN'T NEED his albums saturated with pop bullshit to sell records. But apparently he doesn't have enough money despite being worth $140 million and would rather sell an extra 3 million copies.... Why? I don't fucking know. It has me quite flustered.

He's had 3 years to work on this album, and the results thus far have been....meh

Why not produce more of your own music? Or hey, you have friends like Denaun Porter and Andre Young that are pretty fucking great at creating fantastic hip-hop records, why not work with them extensively like you used to?

He got Kendrick on the album. That's fucking fantastic. Why not give a feature to the artists on YOUR label that are FLOPPING due to a lack of management by YOUR label and could not only use the attention, but would also make for BETTER features than the TALENTLESS pieces of shit you have singing your hooks....and if you want females on your hooks for whatever fucking reason....why not reach out to artists that actually HAVE TALENT like Adele or Alicia FUCKING Keys?

Ask yourself this, would a top 40 radio station actually play Rap God for 6 minutes or would they rather play a 4 minute track with a famous Pop star?

You mean like Eminem's Berzerk..... a radio single under 4 minutes long that has already been receiving heavy rotation?

I still have hope in Em.

The little bit of hope I have remaining is that songs like Bad Guy, Rhyme or Reason, Love Game, and Evil Twin will be classic material. My expectations are set EXTREMELY low right now. I can't comprehend as to why Eminem would follow through with such bullshit. He should've called the album something else and people like me wouldn't be forming such a shit storm over it. He gave us false hope, mocked his core fan base, and has potentially ruined his reputation by going blonde again, calling his album MMLP2, and thus far failing to deliver the way damn near everyone expected him to.

Hope? I HOPE I'm wrong..... but everything Eminem has done thus far tells me otherwise. How is that for getting "real" about Eminem.

So there... I blew my steam on my "fuck MMLP2" rant.....

I'll now go listen to MMLP and cry in a corner.

You hit the nail on the head.

All day I was thinking, If Em doesn't like the fame then wouldn't it make more sense to make music you believe in and risk it not selling well when you are already as rich as he is rather then trying to appeal to the masses.....

I agree on Relapse especially, he did what he wanted to do with minimal sacrifice and we got a great cohesive concept HIP-HOP album. Why start making these generic throwaway pop songs....? Maybe it's just easier...though he says he hasn't been working this hard since TES. It doesn't show yet.

I try and defend Em to one of my mates who says he fell off but it's getting ridiculously hard and I'm starting to lose faith. Btw my mate likes Relapse.

I do actually like Recovery too btw but I completely understand why a lot of people don't. People defending making pop songs for sales.....he used to do that with GOOD songs......

/end rant

[DanWS]

Eminem isn't what he once was.

We all know this, is that supposed to be an excuse for lack luster material?

Back when Slim made MMLP he was still living modestly. He wasn't even close to being a multimillionaire and was still trying to prove himself in a game that had completely ruled out his race.

And at this point in time, he needs to prove himself to the old fans that say he fell off, the people that rule him out when speaking about GOATS, the hipster critics that still bash on his music etc. etc. He did all of that on Rap God.... but to do only what? Address them with one song and then return to making the same bullshit they hate you for? It's all INCOHERENT just like Recovery.

Now Eminem is a 41 year old man who is worth $140 million and has had a better life than anyone can hope of having. For the last 13 years, Em has been one of the most famous celebrities in the world and is adored my many.

In terms of wealth, yes. But his music states otherwise. He hates the fact that he's famous and wishes to be a "regular civilian", he's divorced and has never been able to find a woman that makes him happy, his music has taken time away from him being a father, his best friend was murdered, and he suffered a dangerous addiction that nearly killed him. I'm not saying he isn't grateful for what he has, but to say he's lived a better life than anyone can hope for just because he's worth $140 million is quite shallow.

I understand some of you are angry that he named his upcoming LP MMLP2. I wholeheartedly agree with you, if he wasn't going to make a direct sequel to the MMLP, why call it a sequel?

I don't know.... to boost sales. That seems to be the only consistent theme with this album. Finding as many ways as possible to whore out your music for extra money, despite the fact that you are already worth $140 million.

Em hasn't had anything to complain about for the last 13 years and his drug addiction won't cut it anymore. I'm just as disappointed as you but can we at least give him a chance?

Nothing to complain about? How about the current state of hip-hop and the music industry in general? Wait... that means he would have to complain about himself and bash Recovery just like he bashed Relapse.....darn.

Or how about the many social/political issues going on in Detroit and the very country that it is a part of. Gun Control, The total fucking economic melt down, America's hunger for more wars... these are all topics Eminem was quick to jump on back when his head was on right... even if it was in tongue-in-cheek fashion.

MMLP2 will have some great tracks:

Bad Guy, Rhyme or Reason, Legacy, Asshole, Brainless, Evil Twin, Wicked Ways and Love Game will all be the tracks we want.

How do we know this for sure though? Who truly expected to be as disappointed as they are right now? I went from believing this album would be up there with his first 3, to already feeling like it won't be anywhere close to as good as Relapse and possibly being a toss up for his worst album along with Recovery (my preference of course). TRUST ME, I hope I am wrong and the worst song on the album is the Monster and everything else ranges from good to great. I never had a problem with Survival or Berzerk and absolutely loved Rap God.... but as it all comes together..... it's sounding like another incoherent cluster fuck, a quality which unfortunately seems to be apparent in anything Eminem has released since scrapping Relapse 2.

Sure we'll be treated to some Recovery like songs but Em has to make those songs to appeal to a mainstream audience.

We've already been treated to Recovery-esque music.... I find it hard to believe that Survival and The Monster will be the only Recovery type songs. It's almost a guarantee that Asshole will be produced by Alex Da Kid and taking a look at Eminem's track record with pop stars these last few years, Headlights will more than likely be one of if not the worst song on the album.

The point is that there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for Eminem to cater to a mainstream audience. As I've stated before, Relapse sold 2.2 million and won a Grammy for best Rap album, that was fucking EXCELLENT for a rapper passed his prime and nearing his 40's. Jay-Z hasn't done that and Kanye hasn't done that and that is with them compromising. Eminem's compromise on Relapse was Beautiful and Crack A Bottle.... the latter being a song in which he introduces himself as a rapist and murderer. What I love the most about Relapse, is that it was Eminem being Eminem and he was STILL able to sell that many records and win awards. Just proves to you that HE DOESN'T NEED his albums saturated with pop bullshit to sell records. But apparently he doesn't have enough money despite being worth $140 million and would rather sell an extra 3 million copies.... Why? I don't fucking know. It has me quite flustered.

He's had 3 years to work on this album, and the results thus far have been....meh

Why not produce more of your own music? Or hey, you have friends like Denaun Porter and Andre Young that are pretty fucking great at creating fantastic hip-hop records, why not work with them extensively like you used to?

He got Kendrick on the album. That's fucking fantastic. Why not give a feature to the artists on YOUR label that are FLOPPING due to a lack of management by YOUR label and could not only use the attention, but would also make for BETTER features than the TALENTLESS pieces of shit you have singing your hooks....and if you want females on your hooks for whatever fucking reason....why not reach out to artists that actually HAVE TALENT like Adele or Alicia FUCKING Keys?

Ask yourself this, would a top 40 radio station actually play Rap God for 6 minutes or would they rather play a 4 minute track with a famous Pop star?

You mean like Eminem's Berzerk..... a radio single under 4 minutes long that has already been receiving heavy rotation?

I still have hope in Em.

The little bit of hope I have remaining is that songs like Bad Guy, Rhyme or Reason, Love Game, and Evil Twin will be classic material. My expectations are set EXTREMELY low right now. I can't comprehend as to why Eminem would follow through with such bullshit. He should've called the album something else and people like me wouldn't be forming such a shit storm over it. He gave us false hope, mocked his core fan base, and has potentially ruined his reputation by going blonde again, calling his album MMLP2, and thus far failing to deliver the way damn near everyone expected him to.

Hope? I HOPE I'm wrong..... but everything Eminem has done thus far tells me otherwise. How is that for getting "real" about Eminem.

So there... I blew my steam on my "fuck MMLP2" rant.....

I'll now go listen to MMLP and cry in a corner.