The Production

[EminemBase]

I've read multiple reviews now...

And I also read some Amazon reviews...

One of the biggest things I've been seeing quite a lot say is like, disappointment in the production of this album or criticizing Em's beat selection?

I could not disagree more. Recovery? Holy fuck yes. And I didn't see enough criticism of that production; it was easily the most dismal and abysmal of his career, ever, by far.

But the FIRST thing that struck me about MMLP2 was the production. In a really good and surprising way. I remember feeling sucked in to a musical world/ride. And everything sounds like real music again, there's no muddy mess or shitty drums, and there's a lot of surprising and un-Eminem-like choices.

And even to go back to such a simple yet beautiful production like "Legacy" with that rain; I honestly did not think he would ever produce or go with a production that stark and simple again. I thought we'd lost him to generic, moodless noise. This shit is hella quality.

Don't get the criticism of the production at all. I think if anything, that's a major plus of MMLP2.

[Iris2]

People want Still D.R.E. beats. That's their definition of a good rap beat. Most don't get that if they want utter catchiness with the production, they're listening to a more evolved musician. Eminem's genius in music is etched in subtle instantaneous provocation of emotion without decorative melodies but a fusion of lyricism and minimalistic atmospheric musical elements. People simply don't understand it.

[kkaniff]

If you don't like Eminem, there's basically four things to criticise.
- Bad rapping, and if he undeniably raps well,
- Poor content, as in, yes he's rapping his arse off, but what is he actually saying/ he can't make good songs anymore. If he does a "Bad Guy" then
- Homophobia/misogyny/immaturity. If that doesn't work then
- Blame the production.
Seriously, anybody can go on a pseudo-intellectual rant chock full with polysyllabic words about how terrible any flipped sample/ beat is.
...
One of those has GOT to work.
TL;DR, people be hatin' just to hate.

[rockbottom]

Agree.

If there was one flaw it would be that it sounds very disjointed and doesn't really flow - but in my opinion it works on this album. It's organised chaos, with all the Rubin beat switches and chopped up intros.

[EminemBase]

If you don't like Eminem, there's basically four things to criticise.
- Bad rapping, and if he undeniably raps well,
- Poor content, as in, yes he's rapping his arse off, but what is he actually saying/ he can't make good songs anymore. If he does a "Bad Guy" then
- Homophobia/misogyny/immaturity. If that doesn't work then
- Blame the production.
Seriously, anybody can go on a pseudo-intellectual rant chock full with polysyllabic words about how terrible any flipped sample/ beat is.
...
One of those has GOT to work.
TL;DR, people be hatin' just to hate.

Dope post...

Yeah I don't understand when I've seen critics refer to the samples of MMLP2 as 'tired'... really? I don't really recall hearing anybody sample and flip something like on "Rhyme or Reason" any time recently lol. I know 'Ye flips shit a lot, but I'd hardly call that sample 'tired'.

I seriously think if 'Ye did the exact same thing as on "Rhyme or Reason" that most critics would refer to it as 'utter musical brilliance. Unexpected, innovative and surprising' lmao.

A lot of critics definitely have personal bias against Em. I'm not saying some of the criticism isn't justified, because plenty is. But it's so obvious when you see some cunt on Pitchfork, that they set-out to hate the material and have a personal problem with Eminem, because they think he's homophobic and are still too unbelievably retarded to understand basic comedy.

[CB Productions]

I've read multiple reviews now...

And I also read some Amazon reviews...

One of the biggest things I've been seeing quite a lot say is like, disappointment in the production of this album or criticizing Em's beat selection?

I could not disagree more. Recovery? Holy fuck yes. And I didn't see enough criticism of that production; it was easily the most dismal and abysmal of his career, ever, by far.

But the FIRST thing that struck me about MMLP2 was the production. In a really good and surprising way. I remember feeling sucked in to a musical world/ride. And everything sounds like real music again, there's no muddy mess or shitty drums, and there's a lot of surprising and un-Eminem-like choices.

And even to go back to such a simple yet beautiful production like "Legacy" with that rain; I honestly did not think he would ever produce or go with a production that stark and simple again. I thought we'd lost him to generic, moodless noise. This shit is hella quality.

Don't get the criticism of the production at all. I think if anything, that's a major plus of MMLP2.

100% agree. Love the production. As to the bolded part, my friend and I had the same conversation before MMLP2 came out. We both thought he was never gonna rap over a simple beat again after Recovery, and we're very happy to be proven wrong.

Really love the Brainless beat. Love all of Rick Rubin's beats on the album too. If his next album was just him and Rick Rubin doing the production, it'd probably be the next best thing to him reuniting with the Bass Brothers for an album.