Is MMLP2 too lyrical for most listeners?

[therapist]

I have been noticing a lot of people complaining about the content, and listing some of the most lyrically heavy songs as their least favorite... I have to wonder how much of this is due to punchlines going over people's heads... This album is absolutely brimming to the rim with puns and triple word-play and rhyme schemes as long as 10 syllables...

[lesi20]

The major problem with his Rhyme scheme that its not as Pure as MMLP1 was

I mean c'mon, first verse on Drug Ballad/Criminal/Kill you.
Lyrically his on the top but i the only time i feelt his MMLP1 era pureness is on Rhyme for Reason.

[therapist]

I think we may be mistaking purity for simplicity though... it sounds more complicated now because it is. Idk. Opinions are like assholes

[therapist]

Opinions are like assholes

Fuck 'em?

Haha, that works too. Traditionally the answer is "we all have 'em"

:P

[skc_]

hes focussing more on rhymes now, tryes to rhyme alot. mmlp1 had not so many rhymes like mmlp2, but there was something else, thats missing a little bit now... hard to describe what it it. In the end its a matter of taste which one you prefer. Overall lyrically hes always been one of the best... its just a little different now

[biscuitsbrah]

Yes it is. Songs like rap god I have to google the lyrics to listen to the song. You can be lyrical as fuck but if your audience doesn't understand or get entertained it's not as successful as it would have been.

Also some of the songs just plain don't flow as well

[skc_]

hes focussing more on rhymes now, tryes to rhyme alot. mmlp1 had not so many rhymes like mmlp2, but there was something else, thats missing a little bit now... hard to describe what it it. In the end its a matter of taste which one you prefer. Overall lyrically hes always been one of the best... its just a little different now

How can you say that though? MMLP was loaded with rhymes.

i mean in comparison to mmlp2. He has always had a lot of rhymes, but mmlp2 has even more than his previous stuff.

[therapist]

It's like families with tons of money and power planning decades in advance for power's sake. Eminem has a huge legacy to leave behind, I can guarantee that he is thinking that far ahead. Hip-hop is on its way to becoming the new Rock N Roll. The world's choice of music for the next 2-3 decades. If that happens, MMLP2 will be a cornerstone of lyricism and the standard in which people are held to (his old stuff too, of course).

Then when Em dies.... bye bye Beatles records.

[nxt-semster-illB35]

Yes, which is a major problem with most of his new stuff. Before it was like he was talking to the listener, and you could hear most of it in the first listen. 80% of his new songs, it takes like 4-5 listens to hear all of it with your full attention. A casual listener won't have that window and won't appreciate the songs as much as a hardcore listener, unlike his prev work.

He used to kinda make the lyrics/delivery more direct, while the problem with alot of MMLP2, recovery and relapse is that listener is made to feel more pedestrian than involved, which IMO is one of the reasons why em's music was so potent. Now its him flexing his rap-muscles to himself.

[therapist]

I guess if no one is in your weight class all you CAN do is flex your muscles. :P

[biscuitsbrah]

Yes, which is a major problem with most of his new stuff. Before it was like he was talking to the listener, and you could hear most of it in the first listen. 80% of his new songs, it takes like 4-5 listens to hear all of it with your full attention. A casual listener won't have that window and won't appreciate the songs as much as a hardcore listener, unlike his prev work.

He used to kinda make the lyrics/delivery more direct, while the problem with alot of MMLP2, recovery and relapse is that listener is made to feel more pedestrian than involved, which IMO is one of the reasons why em's music was so potent. Now its him flexing his rap-muscles to himself.

Wow great breakdown. This is actually what's happening, he's much too complicated and complex trying his hardest to go down as goat or something with pure lyricism and rhyme schemes. When you listen to his best/most popular songs like till I collapse, sing for the moment, still don't give a fuck, drug ballad, renegade, Marshall mathers etc. it's relatively simple and MUCH more direct compared to relapse and mmlp2

[Devil'sAdvocate]

You don't deserve to listen to Hip-Hop.

Rhyming so much? MMLP was simple? Oh blow me

[Fury]

During his Recovery phase, I felt like Eminem was doing the complicated rhyme scheme without actual content or things to say. MMLP2 has complicated rhyme schemes, but he's saying something, and as long as he's saying something, what is there to complain about? Best of both worlds.

[biscuitsbrah]

You don't deserve to listen to Hip-Hop.

Rhyming so much? MMLP was simple? Oh blow me

Mmlp was much more direct compared to something like rap god which takes a ton of analysis. Just look at therapists sig, he has to explain a kid is baby goat

[JHart15]

Some of you guys care about internal rhymes too much. There's more to rap than just saying rapbot, fat knot, rap profit.