After listening to the Jay-Z Renegade...

[ShadyMathers]

I don't really think Em outshined him like everyone says he did, dude was good one first verse which I think Em DID outshine but he didn't out shine Jay's second verse. Those who disagree is either a Stan or just heard Ether and decided Nas was right.

[Hadez]

i don't think you're in any position to call anybody a Stan, Mr. "ShadyMathers".

[Robbie G]

they both did good....Eminem probly beat him though.

[Emadyville]

i don't think you're in any position to call anybody a Stan, Mr. "ShadyMathers".

Excellent Point!!

And Em did outshine him, his first verse made it to the list of 20 best rap verses EVER. Neither of Jay's 2 made it, so it's not just fans, or as some d-bags might call them, stans, who believe he outshined Jay.

[Tash8]

I don't really think Em outshined him like everyone says he did, dude was good one first verse which I think Em DID outshine but he didn't out shine Jay's second verse. Those who disagree is either a Stan or just heard Ether and decided Nas was right.

oh please, Eminem's verse first outshined both jay-z's verses combined.

for me it goes

1. Eminem Verse 1
2. Eminem Verse 2
3. Jay-Z Verse 2
4. Jay-Z Verse 1

his first verse is arguably his best verse ever.

[Tornado]

i don't think you're in any position to call anybody a Stan, Mr. "ShadyMathers".

Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it

See I'm a poet to some, a regular modern day Shakespeare
Jesus Christ the King of these Latter Day Saints here
To shatter the picture in which of that as they paint me
as a monger of hate and Satan a scatter-brained atheist

you can't say Jay-z verses can even compare to that

[Robbie G]

Shut up Chet you CUMguzzler Jay owned that track!

[ShadyMathers]

I had to hustle
My back to the wall
Ashy knuckles
Pockets filled with
A lot of lint, not a cent
Gotta vent
Lot of innocent of lives
Lost on the project bench
Whatchu hollerin'?
Gotta pay rent
Bring dollars in
By the bodega
Iron under my coat
Feelin' braver
Doo-rag
Wrappin' my waves up
Pockets full of hope
Do not step to me
I'm awkward
I box leftier often
My pops left me an orphan
My momma wasn't home
Could not stress to me
I wasn't grown
'Specially on nights
I brought somethin' home
To quiet the
Stomach rumblings
My demeanor
Thirty years my senior
My childhood
Didn't mean much
Only raisin' green up
Raisin' my fingers to critics
Raisin' my head to the sky
Big I did it
Multi before I die (nigga)
No lie, just know
I chose my own fate
I drove by the
Fork in the road
And went straight

How is that not a sick verse?

[Tash8]

Pockets full of hope
Do not step to me
I'm awkward
I box leftier often

I chose my own fate
I drove by the
Fork in the road
And went straight

it's a great verse, but those are really the only amazing lines in the verse, overall he had a great verse.

[shady_soldier_]

Aside from all the bickering about who did better:
I can't picture Jay-Z with waves wearing a do-rag

[Solace]

I don't really think Em outshined him like everyone says he did, dude was good one first verse which I think Em DID outshine but he didn't out shine Jay's second verse. Those who disagree is either a Stan or just heard Ether and decided Nas was right.

The following is what I would say if I was to be honest:

Suck my net-cock motherfucker. The only way you could call someone stan is if you stop crying at night, slitting your wrists listening to lose yourself while your dad fucks your mom in his 2008 hummer. Why don't you go buy a belt, walk to the mall, go in to the public bathroom stall and hang yourself you worthless piece of internet trash. Rip the Jay-Z posters off of your wall and get a fucking life.

The following is what I would say if I was to be lieng!

Your right dude! Wooot!


For the record, any song eminem recorded between 1999-2002 murders any Jay-z lyric, and just to erase the dick riding comments from my lap, eminem is at the bottom of my top 10.

LOL. Owned. Anyways, i agree completely. Eminem is just plainly better too. But like Chet said, its all a matter of opinion.

[Marth]

jay-z's verse wasn't hot, it was crap
especialy compared to eminem
jay-z can't reach em in miles
no fucking way

tough i do think em got Way better verses then in renegade... for example hellbound, who knew, i'm back, remember me, square dance... they are all amazing for sure who knew is one of his best songs

but tough renegade is a nice song to listen to, but still jay -z annoys me on that song