Eminem Post 2003

[Acid_M]

i mentioned in my introductory post how i feel that Em has recently "fallen the fuck off" (i.e: 2003 until present time) and i was surprised (and pleased) to see a few people vehemently disagreeing with that statement.

true that in 2003 em was straight murdering everything he touced, but after that verse on 911 with B-Real and Boo-Yaa TRIBE and of course almost every verse on D12 World where it was clear Em had begun to water down his rhymes, there have barely been any decent performances since.

i do think his verse on 'We Aint' was tight, It Has Been Said (on that Duets album) was raw, coupla sick freestyles on that anger management tape (fubba u cubba, emulate) plus Like Toy soldiers, and a few verses here and there on Encore were above standard.

Other than that i truly dont think i could name any more material from Em i would consider ill. i'm still undecided on his shit from the Re-Up (no apologies doesnt count, it was recorded way back in '02) and the rest just seemed kinda forced (public enemy #1 was crack tho).

so in the end the question i'm asking is this: what the fuck is the deal? since when did the Em that was "too real to touch" decide to start "poppin them onions", constantly rhyme 'party' with 'bacardi' and make an entire song where its sounds like he's blowing a load (FACK)?

any thoughts, comments, queries, concerns... bring it, muthaphuckaz...

and yes, i know this topic has been covered, but really think about it carefully. same dude that 'gets this M-16 burstin till you gettin spun backwards like every word of obscene cursin on the B-side of my first single with the clean version' suddenly just 'cut three people and you gon' be number fo'!'??? is he the 'modern day shakespeare' or 'the dude who's' weenie is much bigger than yours is'??? is the Em from Pimplikeness really the same Em we heard on Fight Music?

you decide.

[Emadyville]

I honestly said this before, maybe even on that prior post, that once em signed 50 he tried to go too street or whatever, and tried to switch his shit up, like he was trying to gain all of 50's fanbase, which I think he mostly had anyway, considering he made 50 who he is today. But It's hard to tell cause em shows signs of his true artistic ability on some shit on encore (You forget to mention the bonus tracks he killed and the others i.e. Bully that leaked, btw I think bully is his best disstrack/lyrical songs ever) and on the mixtape from anger management 3 like you mentioned "we ain't" and I think he straight murdered the first track on D12 World. So I think it's more of a half and half thing, that we might expect half of Relapse to be straight fire and the other half to just be ok, I'm not sure, but I think the freestyle he released was a good example of whats to come. What you wrote was great btw.

[Throwback24]

Eminem used to be that crazy white boy
Now he's that corny wanksta.

That's why he FELL THE FUCK OFF :@

[Emadyville]

Eminem used to be that crazy white boy
Now he's that corny wanksta.

That's why he FELL THE FUCK OFF :@

Haha if that's true, I'm sure we'll live out our lives just listening to the dope shit, remember what was and what could have been.

[blitches]

its funny cuz in his book he says 50 is one of his favorite lyricists.

[Acid_M]

yes but Bully, We As americans and Love Your More all leaked in 2003 (which is why those last 2 were only bonus tracks on Encore) so i agree that they're ill but they're not Em post 2003. did forget to mention Ricky Ticky Tock which was def not bad.

I agree that it seems like Em switched up his style after signing 50, its just difficult to believe that the quality of his material just dropped a good few notches so apbruptly, especially after reaching the pinnacle of his career (TES, 8 Mile) and establishiing himself as one of hip hop's finest (and possible contender for the GOAT) and straight after that degrading to the level of a B-class lyricist.

i liked the relapse freestyle (besides from that fuckin annoying voice) and my prediction for Relapse is a positive one, I'm just hoping he doesn't fuck us around again.

[The GameKeeper]

Great point man... I dont know if he will ever go back to his roots again... to what made him who he is. If Eminem came out in '03 when he changed his style, and no one had ever heard of him before that, he wouldnt be nearly as popular or respected. But we as fans dont give up hope... hope that he will once again rhyme and spit the shit that made him who he is. I dont think he will ever go back to the SSLP or MMLP style, unfortunately... I bet his new album will be alot like 'The Eminem Show'... which I thought was incredible. The Eminem Show was a very personal album, that showed a different side of him. He knows how bad Encore was, it was like he didnt even try on that album. Unfortunately, no one had the balls to tell him not to put that shit out.

Great post man...

[Acid_M]

He knows how bad Encore was, it was like he didnt even try on that album. Unfortunately, no one had the balls to tell him not to put that shit out.

couldnt agree with you more. I just wish i knew exactly what was going through Em's mind when he made Encore. He couldnt possibly have been trying to to impress anyone so he must have just been fucking around on it. and once again, true: there was nobody then (and probably still not now) with balls big enough to tell him how wack it was.

Thats why i dont really pay attention to what other artists say about Relapse.

[Emadyville]

Good point^ cause I mean, who will honestly make an official statement saying he fell off on this or something ya know? So i mean, who knows.

[teedotgurl]

^^ exactly! how can you trust 50 or Cashis when they say "OMG, like Relapse is amazing!!!11" Of course they're gonna say that, they have to - just out of respect, OR they think it's really good because it's Eminem.

If you were Eminem's friend but also a fellow artist, and an interviewer came up to you and asked about Eminem and the new album and Em has let you hear some tracks, and you KNOW he's gonna eventually listen to the interview you're doing, what are you gonna say? "it's good, but not as good as the others..." or "MEHH, it's allright."No, you're gonna go off like, "it's so good" and "He's back!!!" no matter what it sounds like.

[Jens14]

Eminem didn't fall off, his material just changed which is good since you don't want to hear the same stuff over and over again.

[Acid_M]

Eminem didn't fall off, his material just changed which is good since you don't want to hear the same stuff over and over again.

SSLP, MMLP and TES were all multifaceted albums that explored different sides of Em's personna (in my opinion). you're telling me you prefer it when he just mimics the majority of hip hop's 50 cent clones? and yes, i know not all of his newer material does that, but a large of portion of it does. after hearing a song like Stan, there was no ways id ever expect em to be saying something like "get crunk".

[Jens14]

On the other hand he still made some sick songs like Yellow brickroad and When I'm gone.

I guess we'll just have to wait for his new album to see if he got some sick songs on that

[Acid_M]

On the other hand he still made some sick songs like Yellow brickroad and When I'm gone.

not tryin to piss you off dude, but i gotta disagree with you on that as well.

in my opinion both songs are sub-par compared to what em's really capable of. i was especially disapointed with When I'm Gone. sure his subject matter is better on songs like these, but as for his flow and wordplay? barely anything worth mentioning.

[4D]

Welcome to the forum Acid_M, you know your shit. Finally a fan who can say real shit and I don't feel a need to defend Eminem. Everything you've said is true, you haven't been over aggressive in your negativity, just stating the facts: apart from a few verses here and there, after 8 Mile he went downhill. Fact. The songs you've said have been good since then, are the ones I would've mentioned too.

Although I would agree with Jens14, Yellow Brick Road was lyrically the best off Encore, and When I'm Gone is a great song, it may not be typical Eminem word wizardy and wordplay, but in what it wants to do, it's exceptional. Public Enemy No. 1 was his best flow on a track since the 2003 era, so my hopes are up fof a new album. I'm not getting too worried about the lacklustre collaborations or freestyles (yet).