What Planet is Royce On?

[EminemBase]

I was just watching a recent interview with SH / Thisis50.com and Royce said about the album that it's the 'highest level of rapping' and was talking about the lyricism (as he / they always do) as if it's the absolute epitome of rap; are you fucking kidding me?

There is SO much lazy writing, corny lines and repetitive content ("we're the best" / "got my gun cocked" / "bitches") bar-for-bar it's unreal; he really must just listen to himself if he seriously thinks what he's spitting lately is the 'highest level' of rapping and most entertaining subject-matter.

Nothing about SH is groundbreaking or particularly new; they continuously talk about harping back to classic rap and decent subject-matter yet most of their subject-matter is exactly what's wrong with rap. Beyond the odd attempt at an emotional song, all they do is rap about why they're better than people; they're dicks and their guns. And women. How the fuck is that the 'highest level' of rapping?

What they're rapping about is incredibly dull, redundant and often cheesy tbh. Not to sound like I'm just constantly bashing SH as technically speaking; they're all great rappers, but they're just pissing me off a bit the way they keep implying their content is ingenious or another level when they rap about the most obvious shit in some of the most obvious ways possible.

[Spyder]

well hes not gonna say they suck LOL

but i agree, I dont care about the topics, i like random talking-bout-nothing tracks
but there were horrible punches and corny ass lines throughout the album, but three members... and budden just
did nothing...

album was horrible, tape wasnt bad, and royce has been shit for years

[EminemBase]

well hes not gonna say they suck LOL

I know but 'highest level'? he is delusional.

but i agree, I dont care about the topics, i like random talking-bout-nothing tracks
but there were horrible punches and corny ass lines throughout the album, but three members... and budden just
did nothing...

Well that's the thing... I'm only really complaining about the topics because they're not rapped about in interesting ways. I like 'nothing' tracks with non-stop lines either; but I tend to prefer clever, and interesting lines. Almost every verse was 'meh' or forgettable for me.

I found them all more entertaining on "Loud Noises" and "Session One".

[SlipperyMooseCakes]

Yeah if you chilled out a little bit you would notice that in that same interview Royce also said "In his opinion" and he also said "You can judge it when you listen to it".

This is the interview in case other people didn't see it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtM1V6gX ... _embedded#!

It is his opinion, he is entitled to it. Whether it is right or not is subjective.

[EminemBase]

It is his opinion, he is entitled to it. Whether it is right or not is subjective.

Man, we know it's his opinion lmao.

Must everybody state this every time we ever discuss or debate anything? I know it's subjective, I know he's entitled to say / think what he wants. At no point have I called for his rights as an individual to be taken away, for his opinion to be silenced, or said what I am saying is a fact.

I know it's an opinion.

And I am entitled to this one, and to say what I'm saying in response. Now we've got that out the way, can we all discuss things, maybe, without having to state it (or 'imo') every line.

Chilled out? what you said makes no sense lmao. I'm not saying what I'm saying because Royce said or implied what he said was fact, I'm saying what I am saying because I think it's a ludicrous opinion, which I disagree with. And so that's what I am expressing and opening for discussion. And, this is a discussion forum right? or are we all just going to never discuss anything, because it's subjective.

[Amaranthine]

I'd be interested to hear what Slaughterhouse has to say in response to your opinion. That'd be fun.

[Man1x]

[Hiphopdane]

I wont argue too much if somebody says they are the worst group of all time. Seriously, these guys can't even come up with a good video for their single with CEE-LO!? Shit reminds me of Barbie girl by Aqua. Let alone the album cover.

Honestly, these guys are as delusional as Lil Wayne. Always bragging about how they are keeping it real and how they are better than everyone else when they in fact just fucking suck.

Shady 2.0 is as bad as YM. Only difference is that none of the artists actually sell any records.

[MikeNUFC]

Royce is honestly shit now. He's worse than Em is now. His writing is so lazy.

[EminemBase]

Royce is honestly shit now. He's worse than Em is now. His writing is so lazy.

He's way worse than Em.

But he's only ever been competing with Em to me; even when Em has been corny, his structure and delivery are still tight, he's much sharper than Royce.

Royce only had truly witty lines back in the vintage days, people say he's a better rapper or was a better rapper but not to me; he got corny as fuck.

He certainly keeps up with Em on the BME EP, but all of his wit is like... well for one thing it's like he's trying to be Em a little too much, and he just doesn't pull it off.

I've always found Royce to be the worst in SH.

[TRShitty]

I kinda like the SH album and think Royce did a good job.

But I agree with the OP.

We got so many interviews about Slaughterhouse talking about how they're bringing real hip hop back and how the lyricism on their album is unparalleled...and it's like, what were they talking about? lol

The Slaughterhouse sounds worse than a Drake album or a Rick Ross album. People LOVE to trot out Drake and Rick Ross as "not real hip hop" and "weak MC's"....but they sure make pretty good music for being so terrible, don't they? And other rappers sure love to rap over their instrumentals, don't they? What rappers are going to rap over instrumentals from Welcome To Our House?

And yeah...there are a ton of corny-ass lines on the album. Mostly courtesy of Joell. What if Drake said like "Y'all trees in the winter, nobody can't leave?" What if Rick Ross said "Next time I tell you shoe, put a sock in it"?

All those hip hop fans that sneer at anything popular and try to talk about what's "real" hip hop and what's not are corny as hell as me.

[momentsgolden]

This is possibly the first real contribution i shall make to the slaughterhouse releases as i had gone onto some hibernation just to insulate myself from Trshady's views and comments. Just to get it out of the way, i enjoyed the album and the tape yet was frustrated in the mixtape being too linear and the album too unstructured. If you want to REALLY enjoy slaughterhouse, you will have to create a playlist with YOUR choice of tracks and moods.

Anyway, I agree with the OP that Royce's wit is low. I mean, he doesnt say anything much besides his rapping and his guns. Even look at the "emotional" or "personal" records like Truth and Truth and you will realize he is the one with the least personality in their group. To his credit, his hooks are fucking incredible for a rapper and his voice has such a great presence that by him (Or Crooked I) starting on the track you are instantly drawn to listen to what they have to say. Joel is great, Crooked is hit or miss and Joe Budden is only good when he is committing to a theme.

That said, i've been thinking quite alot about Eminembase's assertion that to be a truly great rapper you HAVE to commit to "new" or creative concepts and while that was convincing at first- i'm not so convinced now.

You see, think about a drummer. A great drummer- Travis Barker for example. All he does is drum and there is only so much that he can do in that realm. Yes, he could pick up producing and learn the MPC and become a Kanye but that doesnt take away the fact that all he is is simply a great drummer. He doesnt NEED to expand into new territory or create a different instrument. For someone to constantly listen to them would be difficult as there is only so much drumming you can hear.

Or, a biographer. They make very little to no creative input yet they could be AMAZING writers of literal works. That is how i think that Slaughterhouse thinks of themselves. Their definition (somewhat valid, somewhat lacking) is that rapping is creating songs where you flip words and the audience loves it. Really, to them its that simple. In my mind, their emotional tracks are simply a way to broaden their audience yet i am almost sure if Royce could just rap random shit like he does on Get Up/ Sinners Dwell he'd take that option.

I wont go further because people here are lazy and i might be caught up in repetition but

tl/dr- Slaughterhouse doesnt need concepts to be good. If they can be random and biographical and still be good at it they are making incredible rap music. Not alot of people do that.

[K Reidy]

man... I am reading nothing but hate on this album... I really enjoy it... I'm glad I don't value others opinion to highly lol

[momentsgolden]

man... I am reading nothing but hate on this album... I really enjoy it... I'm glad I don't value others opinion to highly lol

I just stated i loved it!! lol Yeah, i kinda feel what u saying about people being overly critical.

[EminemBase]

That said, i've been thinking quite alot about Eminembase's assertion that to be a truly great rapper you HAVE to commit to "new" or creative concepts and while that was convincing at first- i'm not so convinced now.

I never said a rapper has to commit to a theme to be a great rapper. I've many times expressed that I wish rappers would be more creative; but that's not saying a rapper can't be great.

At the end of the day all that matters is execution. A song can be about a gun, about a lost friend, about a fucking cat; all that matters is how it's done; is it enjoyable, is it interesting; is it different.

Because, if you actually look back at most of my posts regarding Relapse - what I always praise about, and love to this day about that album is the execution of it. The style of it, the sound of it, it's completely unique; and whilst people were complaining Em wasn't rapping about enough 'real' shit, I was vibing like a mother 'f'er to "Medicine Ball". It's all about style, technique.

Now, would I prefer that the style is incredible AND it be creatively amazing? of course, who wouldn't. But don't twist my words or take me out of context, listen to what I'm about to say:

I am not saying the SH album is just bad because they don't have enough concepts etc. - I'm saying it's bad period, on execution. I don't care what they rap about if it's entertaining; if it's good, it's good! I love Watch the Throne for example (or many tracks from it), and Kanye and Jay mostly just brag and say punchlines, but they're witty, and entertaining; and the style and sound is very enjoyable to my ears. I am saying that the style and sound of most of the music on the SH album is generic, and unenjoyable and that barely any of the rapping resonates, for me.

So again; if they want to just rap about guns and cars, or whatever: fine. All that matters to me really, is it good? is it enjoyable? am I enjoying, listening to it. And the answer with most of the rapping on the SH album is no. Considering they keep bragging about being four of the top rappers in the world, hardly anything they say is witty or interesting. Not on this album anyway.

I have heard great punchlines from them all in the past but on this album, they were all pretty dull; as were the concepts / songs, and as was the production. Their expression and execution is just so... plain; it's like they have such a chip on their shoulder with proving themselves that they forget to actually be funny, or interesting; there's so much focus on rapping about why you should respect their rapping or what they're doing; without actually doing anything worth respecting.

So no, I am not just saying everybody needs to be a creative genius to be good. They just need to be good, to be good. They're all great rappers in terms of technical aspects; rhyme (although there wasn't anything that impressive in that area either tbh); flow; delivery etc. nobody disputes that. So I am not saying they are not technically good. I am saying they are not fun to listen to for me, it feels like I'm listening to dull rambling over noisy beats.