Relapse gets shit on, your move stans

[classthe_king]

Well I’ve been pretty busy the past few days which is why it’s taken me forever to respond. But dry them tears mommy’s back.

Show us please.

Either you have the memory of a goldfish and haven't listened to Relapse in a long time, or you need to quit wearing Eminem's nutsack like a pair of goggles. Cause it seems to be blinding your peripheral, for the rest of us it's plain as fuck to see. But since I'm a nice gal I'll oblige and even break some of them down for you.

You can be a permanent fixture in my lyrical mixture
I'm the miracle whip... trickster
My signature sound when a tube of lipstick's around
I'm bound to put it on in an instant, wow man
What an ensemble, what an assortment of pharma-
-ceuticals this beautiful pill dust in my palm, my
Cuticles get residue just from touchin the bottle
Never knew I could remind me so much of my momma
I'll cut ya like Dahmer, pull the butcher knife on ya
The size of a sword boy I'm like the fuckin Red Sonja
Get it stuck in your cornea, nice knowin ya, Norman
You're so fuckin' annoyin', drop the shovel boy
You don't know what the fuck you're doin
I ain't playin' no fuckin' more
Nick Cannon, you prick, I wish you luck with the fuckin' whore
Every minute there's a sucker born, snuck up on
Malachi made the motherfucker suck on a shuck of corn
Chaka, Chaka Khan, Chaka Khan
Hit Jason in the face with a hockey puck and told him it's fucking on
Man what the fuck are ya doin'
You're runnin over the snowblower with the lawnmower
Blowin' your bagpipes from Baghdad

Seriously, what the fuck is this verse about? A complete mockery of lyricism where Eminem puts rhyme schemes at the forefront of his writing and disregards his content altogether, hell he could barely even keep track of the general subject matter before drifting into this shit.

The quality of the rhymes are amateur as fuck too, I don’t mean his quantity but “ You can be a permanent fixture in my lyrical mixture”, is just lazy as fuck and shit that you wouldn’t expect from Eminem when he used to be one of the most creative rhymers in the game. Even his first verse he tends to drift and I tend to see a pattern that’s prevalent in just general Relapse from this song all the way down to Underground where he fills his verse with filler, he can’t even keep track of his topic so to form more rhyme schemes he takes the easy way out and just lists Drugs, Band Members, and assaults you with random imagery. If he’s going for Stream of consciousness type lyrics than he needs to learn how to do it, but I doubt it since that’s never been his style and it seems like he’s generally trying to tell a cohesive narrative but falls flat on his face.

I’m not even gonna break down Medicine Ball because if you don’t think he’s just rapping for the sake of rapping in that song than LOL. Like seriously the song (and lots of songs in Relapse) just rely on utter shock value or deranged humor with no real purpose or cohesion. He just jumps from one line to the next without any context for it and is just plain unfunny, like is there even a topic to this song? Other than him just being plain deranged which he already covered (badly might I add ) with Insane. And yes I know vintage Eminem tended to let the rhymes lead him or for a better word some lines where random non sequiters with no context for the last (prevalent in songs like Role Model, Still Don’t Give a fuck, Just don’t give a fuck) but the difference he’s creative, he’s actually witty, funny and just a general better writer with no expletive lines that makes his verses seem bloated as fuck. Oh and he’s a more creative rhymer, hell I’d argue Nas now in Life is Good is a better rhymer than Eminem in Relapse.

And to show I’m not a bully, I’ll even point to one of the more lauded songs on Relapse with the second verse of Stay Wide Awake (the song also tends to use heavy use enjambment which illmatic was one of the first rap albums rife with it I might add). The second verse is just poorly written, this might be me being pedantic (I don’t give a shit) but

But they can't see what I can see, there's a vacancy in my tummy
It's making me play hide-and-seek, like Jason I'm so hungry

Is a shit line when the hell has Jason ever been hungry, maybe Hannibal Lecter (whom Eminem is a huge fan of btw and aware of) but nyope using Hannibal would hurt that precious rhyme scheme of his.

The last 6 bars of the second verse are just awkward and really ruin the rest of an otherwise decent verse, who the hell cares about him “dancing in red panties” or him dancing to a different drumbeat.

I feel like a bully for this one as it’s one of the more notorious ones but fucking Underground as a whole, is one of the worst displays of lyricism ever. Eminem trying to go back to vintage Slim Shady circa 00 is quite hilarious and sad as he fails pretty miserably.
There’s no coherence to this song whatsoever (same for a lot of Relapse songs but this is the most notorious). I’ll just quote some of his most awful lines which constitute a large portion of the verse.

Enough Oxycontin to send a fuckin' ox to rehab

This makes no sense whatsoever, and he just listed “ox” because it somehow continues his (horrible) wordplay akin to how that Jason line in SWA continues his rhyme scheme.

Jacking off to a hockey mask at a boxing match

Makes absolutely no sense and is just awkward

And throw a fuckin' lesbian in wet cement
Faggoty, faggoty, faggoty, Raggedy Ann and Andy
No! Raggedy Andy and Andy; no, it can't be, it can't be

Not even Rapgenius can help this horrible song save face, this is pretty much the same where he just lists drugs or random paraphernalia as imagery, but this time he tries really hard to have that biting wittiness old Eminem had that could make people go up and arms and really question whether or not he’s homophobic. Here he’s just uncreative with it and it comes off as hollow, oh and also useless expletive filler lines to fill in the scheme

Alright I’ve had enough of wasting my time breaking down his horrible lyrics, pretty much Eminem’s thought process during relapse was to brains storm phrases and words that rhyme with no cohesion and barely link them together when there’s no context for either lines and him trying his hardest to be witty or shocking. That’s a good portion of Relapse in a nutshell.

As for Aeone Eminem was not the progenitor to his horrcore witty style. Big L had him beat in that regard. Whether you think Eminem is better or more clever, whatever. Point is Big L had that horrcore style mixed that was biting yet had punchlines that were humorous and still showed a guy that didn’t take himself too seriously. Listen to Danger Zone, All Black, Devil’s Son or even his verse in Da Graveyard it just screams vintage Shady, also he’s a great rhymer when rhyming wasn’t that advanced yet.

Cage and Rhyme Asylum are nothing alike, other than being underground Hip Hop with some horrcore attached to them. How are you gonna criticize Rhyme Asylum for having varied content in their debut when at the same time you praise Relapse for the very same thing? Hell SSLP had lots of varying shades to Eminem (Rock Bottom, As the world turns, Role Model, Still Don’t Give a fuck, Just Don’t give a fuck). Anyone who’s not retarded could tell they’re not actually crazy but are going for over the top cartoonish style with just mindblowing wordplay.

About that btw, Rhyme Asylum’s appeal was never their brilliant concepts but was taking the art of battle rap and wordplay and pushing it to it’s limit. They are like Big L on steroids or if that nigga was still alive and kicking but his style was suited to the times. No one is even in the same stratosphere as them in terms of wordplay and arguably (skill) they have no expletive set up lines or filler, and just about every line of theirs is a quotable. They’ve taken pretty much every idiom or popular phrase and had a unique spin on that and turned it into a quotable. They’re not one trick ponies either and excel at imagery and storytelling when needed be and I hate to bring this up but they’re also great rhymers without ever feeling forced with their rhymes. Their schemes flow fluidly and it doesn’t for one second make you think that they had to sacrifice their content to fit a particular scheme as opposed to Relapse.

Production wise I was not a huge fan of Relapse though that’s one of it’s strongpoints I admit and if Em gave a better performance than the album’s potential is virtually limitless, it does feel too “loud at times” if you know what I mean. The percussion in MBTG (one of the better songs in Relapse imo) was way too loud. But I’ve never been a HUGE fan of Dre even when he produced for prime Eminem (blasphemy I know).

I get the complaints against State of Lunacy’s beats but I like them their pretty barebones and minimal and suit the rapping, they’re not overproduced at all and don’t take away from the rapping, which is without a doubt the main appeal of the album. It’s like a reverse Black Milk album where the main appeal is the dense cacophonous beats which compliment (or should I say the rapping compliments) the beats and don’t detract from the main substance of the album.

Anyone who wants to defend Eminem can do so here: http://forum.trshady.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=162573&start=120

[PAINKILLƎR]

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You're just a bootleg Satire, loll. Oh Class, this definitely reminds me of the good old days.

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I don't think you've seen this btw

You know when I said I wasn’t trying to turn this into some full fledged debate you should have taken heed to that and bowed out in grace rather than baiting one of the most argumentative pricks in this forum. But hey I haven’t done one of these in ages and it’s always fun to utterly annihilate someone’s shithouse argument for everyone to see.

Horrorcore? Yep. The main appeal for me definitely isn't the rhymes.

That’s the main appeal for a lot of goddamn people, and hey there’s nothing wrong with him indulging in one of his most valuable assets. I mean for crying out loud songs like Hellbound, When Hell Freezes Over, Off the Wall and assloads of more songs are just him having fun depicting himself as a psychopath with an air of mischief to him that’s lost in the majority of Relapse. Also his Celebrity namedropping back then were a lot less obnoxious and didn’t seem like he was just namedropping Britney Spears, Fred Durst, (insert irrelevant washed up popstar from that era) for the fuck of it whereas him namedropping celebs in Relapse makes him seem like he only did it to distance himself from said celebrities because he knows deep down he’s just as liable to be targeted by an up and coming mc and really no different from a lot of the celebs he disses.

Yes, it's great that he's able to rhyme so many words in a single bar, but it's more the concepts.

Not when the content takes a backseat to the rhyming and he has to form verses around his rhyming many of which are akin to intellectual masturbation; him stringing endless multies just cause he can solidify this. And hey if it tickles your fancy that’s cool, but don’t pretend like this is some deep, dark exploration of the human pshyce worthy of a dissertation.

When Tech manages to make a horror storytelling song as creepy, "technical", and at the same time coherent as Same Song and Dance, let me know. You know the difference with Em and Tech? Em makes the effort to stuff the rhymes in....but make them WORK. I doubt Tech has ever made an Insane. The dark imagery and the way each song flows into the next is simply genius. I'd explain the entire fucking album concept AGAIN, but I have a feeling you'd just dismiss it.

It’s been said before but I don’t give one shit about Tech N9ne literally the interest there is zero, I merely brought him up because like Crashband said the appeal of both Relapse and Tech is being horrocore stringed with an assload of multies and crazy flows, the only difference being that even if Tech is as bad as Relapse lyrically he is phonetically more pleasing and has a gift for sounding good; something Eminem had but completely shitted on when he adapted that “funny” accent. Also I like how you completely ignored me bringing up Rhyme Asylum, who also do horrcore albeit much better than Relapse and have an over the top cartoonish vibe to them whilst remaining punchline rappers and not sucking (no easy feat when guys like Chino XL and Bis exist).

And at him making them work, the majority of Relapse is him stroking his ability to link multies (like I said a million times before) except he just assaults you with a barrage of imagery that don’t go together and some pretty cringy lines to top off his verses. He barely keeps track of single train of thought and Same Song and Dance is the only “serial killer” song where he keeps a coherent narrative for more than just one verse and isn’t just loaded with random imagery and goofy lines.

1. "Dr. West" (skit)
2. "3 A.M."

An intro to the new "serial killer" persona Em has developed.

Bravo, Bravo * clap clap* congratulations on saying what the painfully obvious first track is about. Also you seem to be confusing having a general concept with being a “concept album” lol, every goddammn Hip Hop album has a concept or theme to it. Relapse for the most part doesn’t really go anywhere with it other than “lol serial killer”, there’s no overarching plotline to it for the majority of the album other than arguably the climax like buttloads of rap albums. You naming it a concept rap album shows you have a fundamental lack of understanding as to what constitutes a concept album and shows you’re just throwing “concept album” as some buzzword to embellish your favorite album, which I don’t understand as being a concept album doesn’t indicate quality. You’re forgetting EXECUTION which is my biggest gripe with the entire album something you conveniently sweep under the rug.

For an example of a “concept album” with an overarching narrative where each song plays out episodically and the whole feel of it is reminiscent of a movie than check out A Prince Among Thieves, you don’t even have to listen to it. Simply looking it up would suffice, than again you might argue unfair as I’m comparing Relapse to arguable the most innovative and creative concept album off all time.

Btw I’m not saying it’s the best album off all time either and prefer illmatic which has no oreal “concept” to it other than some guy recounting tales off his life in the hood with each song being a different spin on it. Something akin to *shock* Relapse.

3. "My Mom"
4. "Insane"
5. "Bagpipes From Baghdad"
6. "Hello"

These are parts of the origin story of Em's new serial killer persona, which are basically heavily altered versions of Em's own life experiences.

My Mom started off about his mom taking pills (nothing new here) but started getting darker (Em being forced into taking the pills and not being able to eat until "next thanksgiving) while also foreshadowing the inevitable crash landing Em's life would take (reference to Heath Ledger).

Insane was about his hatred of his father, which is once again exaggerated to a massive degree, with Em stating he (his father) raped him.

Bagpipes From Baghdad was an exaggerated twist on his relationship with Mariah Carey, except much more violent than normal.

First off My Mom is the only one of those songs listed where he can keep track of single train of thought throughout the whole song and actually tell a “story”.

Oh lawd insane is horrible and is one of Relapse’s worst songs, starting with the cringy opening line and is consistently shitty throughout with the lines “than he played ping pong with his own ding dog” QQ as well as a bunch of other miscellaneous fart noises which ruin the whole song. It could have been decent if he could have kept track of the “story” he was trying to tell instead of just spewing inane lines trying to be whimsical in a track that should otherwise be serious. And I have no problems with him being whimsical he’s displayed numerous times that he can tell a great story masked with humor but is actually mean to be looked at seriously with multiple relistens. As The World Turns is a humorous recount of his childhood, yet you can tell he was trying to inform us that he had a shitty childhood and wasn’t liked by his peers or teachers.

Bagpipes From Baghdad is a glorified diss track towards Mariah Carey (lol) which coincidentally happen to fall in the Eminem “serial killer, funny accent” era and seems like he just slopped it into this album for no real reason. Again I’m seeing a pattern here where he can barely keep track of his content and at best stays within topic for one verse before drifting off into gibberish. Gee instead of coming up with some distorted and warped fan theory conjecturing that he’s some genius for linking three songs about his hatred for people and that somehow equates to it forming a cohesive concept, why don’t you follow Occam’s Razor and see that maybe he just threw in that Mariah Carey diss for the fuck of it and also used his accent/ serial killer theme since that’s what was most prevalent in that era.

Oh HELLO THERE YOU SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN HELLO, was it not good enough for a meandering explanation as to how it’s genius for continuing his serial killer “theme”?

7. "Tonya" (skit)
8. "Same Song & Dance"

Em's serial killer persona's version of his misogynistic tendencies; but instead of killing people in comedic or at least strange (killing them through their mail, throwing a grenade in their driveway) he actually goes into detail with disturbingly realistic stories of his murders.

This is actually one of the decent songs on the album and he actually tells a cohesive narrative in this song rather than assaulting you with a barrage of random imagery, drugs, and cringy phrases. Notice how his multies seem more potent because he isn’t just stringing together random words with no cohesion? Hell the last few lines of his second verse are great and if could have kept up this quality through the whole album I would have understood why some people think this album’s good-great.

9. "We Made You"

Serial killer Em's version of the light-hearted singles that he usually comes out with. Even though it's poppy, it has strangely dark lines (wait no, don't massacre the fans!!). Not a great song. Moving on.

I’m gonna repeat this ad nauseum you don’t know the creative process behind what goes into making a “concept album” merely following the same theme throughout (serial killer) doesn’t make a concept album, lol. How about instead of propping up this otherwise lackluster poppy single as some sort of continuation of his serial killer theme, you objectively look it at as the obligatory “single” that most rap records have.

Also loll at that line being strangely dark.

10. "Medicine Ball"

Pretty obvious what this is a murderous exaggeration of.

No, not really. But it is pretty obviously one of the worst songs on the album and encapsulated what’s wrong with Relapse imo. If I had to pick one reason why a lot of people don’t like the vibe Relapse gives off, than this is the number one song to choose. And again it’s cool if you like this sort of stuff, whatever, but don’t act like the people who criticize the damn album are grasping at straws or pulling it out of their ass.

11. "Paul" (skit)
12. "Stay Wide Awake"

Another series of murders by serial killer Em; however, unlike Same Song and Dance, where he mainly focuses on the girls themselves and his relationship with them, only talking about their murders in the end, Stay Wide Awake is more about the violent murders themselves.

Lol, how many another “series of murders” songs are you gonna write? That’s another problem with Relapse is that a good portion of it can be eradicated and it would actually tone down the repetitiveness plaguing the album. Yeah the song has an astounding quality of multies and the chorus is actually pretty good, I can get behind people liking this song or even liking what Relapse stands for in general. However I’m much more impressed with subtle multies that aren’t astounding but are crafted in a way that seems like they were an indelible part of the song to begin with. For an example of what I mean listen to My Fault or for a non-Eminem example listen to Black Thought on How I got over.

13. "Old Time's Sake" (featuring Dr. Dre)
14. "Must Be the Ganja"

Murderous interpretations of some of the stoner songs he did before. Old Time's Sake has lines like "Here he comes, it's attack of the rainman; chainsaw in hand, man, bloodstain on my apron" while Must Be the Ganja had an entire verse dedicated to Em's fascination with serial killers.

“Murderous interpretations”, lol, try filler. And hey I know you don’t want to use that because it would hurt your precious argument that it’s a “concept album” which is the fulcrum that hang your entire argument as to why Relapse is a good album. Filler can be good (the second verse of Must be the Ganja is great) but instead of admitting it, you keep on latching on to some horrible fan theory as how it continues his theme, really English teachers must love you. You’re probably the type to draw conclusions from a story that was never there to begin with.

Anyways yeah it’s more like a continuation of him jerking off himself with his abilities to create multies all while seeming washed up and juvenile. And hey I’m not one to promote brooding , introspective, emo songs either and can see those being as much of a chore to listen too, if not more.

I can dig playful, whimsical, non-serious rap like Edan and Yak Ballz who are obviously just having fun with what they’re doing.

15. "Mr. Mathers"
16. "Déjà Vu"

Up until this point, notice how every song has at least some kind of accent, whether it be middle eastern (Bagpipes from Baghdad) or just plain fucking weird (Insane).

The accents and his rapping derive from different parts of his career. For example; the high pitched voice and dark comedy comes from SSLP, the personal shit from MMLP and a parts of Eminem Show, while his accent comes from Encore.

You pulled this out of your rectal orifice a few seconds before typing it; and while it’s cool to address the accent portion. That’s A LOT of people’s griped with the album and it ruins the tone, and yeah I know the origin or why he did. Just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

Until the Mr. Mathers skit, everything has simply been a drug-induced hallucination Em's been experiencing; a twisted serial killer's representation of his life, hence why the skit cuts off "Must be the Ganja" so abruptly and quickly.

Deja Vu details Em's fall into the state he's been in for the entire album (passed out on the bathroom floor). Notice how there's no accent at all. This is the turning point of the album. From here on out, Em's in the real world......

See this is what many people consider the best song on Relapse (notice how it has no accents, is cohesive/not random gibberish, and he doesn’t go crazy with the multies in an overt and obvious but his rapping’s much more subdued and subtle). A brilliant respite from the rest of the album

17. "Beautiful"

.....And such a revelation leads him to a deep depression, resulting in this song, which is Em facing his fears (his fading popularity and ability to rap, yet still being popular enough to be harassed in public)

This is Em's mindset in rehab.

And this is an example of a song that fits my description of me not giving brownie points to it just because it’s brooding and introspective. His rapping’s sloppy and very akin to Mockingbird, hell this song reminds me a lot of Mockingbird for a variety of reasons namely being him brooding and keeping a somber tone yet still raps in a sloppy garbled mouth.

18. "Crack a Bottle" (featuring Dr. Dre and 50 Cent)

This takes place after rehab; a sort of laid-back celebratory song. Notice how once again, there's absolutely NO accent. This is Eminem, not the serial killer persona.

Try obligatory and jarring single, lol. i.e. See my response to your breakdown of We Made You

19. "Steve Berman" (skit)

Em poking some fun at how people say he whines too much.

20. "Underground"

This is the song announcing Eminem's true return. Once again, no accent. His flowing and rhyming is on point, and while it's murderous, it's very Slim Shady-esque (very abstract and random, yet dark as hell) rather than the serial killer shit we got for the rest of the album

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And it falls on all its face, trying to be a homage to early Eminem, Eminem on Relapse never matched the wit on SSLP-MMLP which is what he seems to be going for in this song, though he has matched TES in introspective, brutal self awareness with Déjà vu.

Really should have concluded with Beautiful, by making this song it’s almost like he’s admitting that all the previous “Serial killer” songs are a flop. He really needs to learn how to do stream of consciousness songs if that’s what he’s going for with his random barrage of imagery.

Sounds like a fucking concept album to me.

Than you need your ears checked and you need to graduate 5th grade English. There’s no overarching plot to it, and the best you could come up with is “lol serial killer theme”, and convinently tried to mask the filler/obligatory singles as a continuation of that theme to prop up your argument. The only thing that could be argued is near the climax of the album where he snaps out of that serial killer/funny accent persona.[/quote]

[Notalius]

Embase or hawk finna respond

[Mr Change]

Wow. I actually agree with the OP for once. My man!

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Embase or hawk finna respond

Me and the Base bros are chill though, at least I think

[Guess_Who]

And why should we care about your (or any other member here) opinion about Relapse.

If I like something I will like it even if all of you think it is garbage.....I will never understand fights like this...

[classthe_king]

That was awesome. My favorite part was you going, "now that doesn't mean" or "Now I'm not trying to say this" over and over cause you're used to arguing with people like Satire who will pick up on any mistake in your words.

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And why should we care about your (or any other member here) opinion about Relapse.

If I like something I will like it even if all of you think it is garbage.....I will never understand fights like this...

Lol, you're free to like what you like. I didn't start this thread and would have rather it not have been started, but it is what it is.

[SajN]

@class what did u think of Survival?

I don't feel like going through a million pages to see if u even commented.

His response is most likely that he hasn't checked it out.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

like honestly who has the time?

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like honestly who has the time?

Do you still like me DA! This is a very important question and can make or break my day.

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like honestly who has the time?

5:20 PM Eastern time

[classthe_king]

@class what did u think of Survival?

I don't feel like going through a million pages to see if u even commented.

His response is most likely that he hasn't checked it out.

I hadn't checked it out until like 5 minutes ago but I did and posted my review in a different thread in this section.