Is TES still the most mature album?

[Brainless BadGuy]

^ I agree now that I read that again

[Amadeo]

It's the same with recovery. You only take certain corny lines out of a well written song and say that a teenager could've wrote that bit, you could make that argument for any of his albums by just focusing on a few bars

The corny lines on Recovery are mostly on songs with no overall concept or story. The lines prior to and following "stick my dick in a circle but I ain't fuckin' around" don't matter since it's a random spitting song.

The lines you quoted on SSLP aren't corny punchlines and the first two are on story songs. You can't just judge the first two examples individually without knowing how he arrived at that point in the story and how he proceeded with the story from that point onwards.

[Brainless BadGuy]

It's the same with recovery. You only take certain corny lines out of a well written song and say that a teenager could've wrote that bit, you could make that argument for any of his albums by just focusing on a few bars

The corny lines on Recovery are mostly on songs with no overall concept or story. The lines prior to and following "stick my dick in a circle but I ain't fuckin' around" don't matter since it's a random spitting song.

The lines you quoted on SSLP aren't corny punchlines and the first two are on story songs. You can't just judge the first two examples individually without knowing how he arrived at that point in the story and how he proceeded with the story from that point onwards.

Now that I've thought on it more I admit I was wrong There is no denying Recovery (for the most part) is immature.

[EminemInsider]

Something else to consider is there seems to be this tendency for people to assume Eminem was somehow wrong (and therefore "immature") for calling out his mother...as if she either couldn't possibly have been abusive to him, or that even if she was, it's still somehow wrong to vent about it.

Why? Simple. It's because if you say anything bad about a woman, or anything bad happens to a woman, it's considered one of the worst things in the world and it must be the result of misogyny.

If a guy says, "boy, I had a real SONOFABITCH for a father," that guy is likely to evoke sympathy. Nobody will go, "how dare you talk about your DAD that way?! He's your DAD! Without his sperm, you wouldn't even be here." People will just assume the guy has good reason for saying that, and that he was the victim of an abusive father.

But Eminem describes how his mom used to put pain killers in his food to make him sick and kicked him out of the house every other week, not to mention bringing up her suing him for $10 million, and Eminem's being "immature" and "disrespectful" for airing dirty laundry. "He's publicly dissing his own MOM/MUM, how awful!"

Headlights is compassionate, but it's also kind of patronizing. He may have more of an understanding for her struggles with addiction now that he's gone through it himself, but I don't think that makes him "more mature."

[Brainless BadGuy]

Headlights is the most mature song he's ever made imo, and the most emotional ... I shed a tear

[EminemBase]

This shit is completely ridiculous. You're quoting small parts of a story...they're not meant to be looked at as individual lines, you're meant to look at the story as a whole since it's all connected.

Of course some moronic teenager can think to write the words "duh da duh da duh duh GO GO GADGET DICK" by themselves...but that line by itself is meaningless without the context. Same goes for the first example.

That's just as absurd as pulling a quote from a Louis CK special, and claiming that "any kid" could write it, completely ignoring the other parts of the routine/bit that it's part of:

"I grew up in Boston, and in Boston, people just beat the shit out of each other for no reason."

"Very few American parents give a crap about how they raise their kids."

"I like New York."

Such mundane, lame observations.

, top-tier post tbh.