The Relapse/SSLP comparison is so off...

[EminemInsider]

if Relapse reminds me of any of Eminem's prior albums, it's Infinite. Neither SSLP nor Infinite had anything to do with the whole serial killing theme that was on Relapse (where the fuck he got the idea that that's what he used to do, I have no idea...I guess he listened to 97 Bonnie and Clyde/Kim and went, "Slim Shady was about MURDERING PEOPLE" or something), but at least with Infinite, the primary focus was on the rhyme schemes, as opposed to the subject matter, on most of the songs...which is similar to Relapse.

SSLP, on the other hand, is mostly a story telling album, and he has a personality.

Even then, I wouldn't make a Relapse/Infinite comparison. But the people who think Relapse is similar conceptually to what he did on SSLP and/or MMLP.......

[SoldierShady]

Ok?

[UofLCard]

edit-I sort of see what you're saying, now.

[PAINKILLƎR]

I see what you're saying, but I'm also going to have to disagree with you. Completely different.

[eXceL]

i think he means that infinite and relapse focus more on rhyme technique and scheme rather than storytelling, thats the only way they can be deemed remotely similar imo

[Kill You]

And Relapse ISN'T a storytelling album? You mean to tell me Em didn't keep jumping in and out of characters and concepts?

Relapse does remind me of SSLP, thank you. It's the attitude and the total immersion into his character and theme...

[BigBoss]

Infinite the song is a classic tbh

[EminemInsider]

So I guess reading comprehension isn't the strong suit of people here.

I didn't say Relapse reminds me of Infinite. I just said it's a more reasonable comparison than fucking SSLP.

SSLP and Relapse have absolutely nothing in common whatsoever, other than the fact that Eminem is rhyming well.

[EminemInsider]

And Relapse ISN'T a storytelling album? You mean to tell me Em didn't keep jumping in and out of characters and concepts?

Relapse does remind me of SSLP, thank you. It's the attitude and the total immersion into his character and theme...

Nope, not really.

It's a horrible, horrible comparison. If it reminds you of SSLP, you are out of your fucking mind.

[Blu]

Agreed. I think Infinite had like one storytelling song...think it was "Backstabber"

But anyways, his rhyming technique is completely similar to that of Infinite's, so yeah I see how that comparison would work better.

[EminemInsider]

The rhyme schemes on Infinite are terrible, they're like:

AA
AB
BB
BC
CC
CD
DD
EF
FF

Huh? Most of the Infinite rhymes are A-A for much longer than 3 rhymes.

It's simplistic, it's predictable and boring. Even though the rhyme schemes on Relapse aren't very "complex", more so focused on carrying the multi as long as possible, it's still not that comparable to Infinite.

Yeah, it's so simplistic to rhyme all those syllables in a row and go on and on while still making sense. It's OK...such an eeeeeasy song to write.

If your expectations are varying patterns, you've essentially just called nearly all rappers and quite a few Eminem songs post-Infinite "simplistic, predictable, and boring."

As great as Eminem is at varying patterns, he didn't mix them up on every single track, even in his prime.

The reason Infinite is the closest of his prior albums to Relapse is it features a lot of rhyming just for the sake of rhyming, and his delivery is precise, but flat emotionally.

It's compared to the Slim Shady LP for a proper reason. That reason being the fact on both albums, Em is in character for almost all of it - the only tracks he isn't embodying the prominent persona are the two emotional songs...for both albums.

And what "character" is that, pray tell? The one you pulled out of your ass?

There is no "character" on Relapse, and Slim Shady wasn't even a character, it was just another name for Eminem to refer to himself by for rhyme purposes. When Eminem raps, he's rapping as Eminem. Period, the end. Eminem can be serious, he can be sarcastic, and he can be going for shock value. But the only time he raps as a "character" is in Stan.

The Slim Shady "character" is a myth perpetuated by idiotic fans (and Eminem himself, trying to rationalize the alternate name so he can rhyme with it/have a gimmick), and there's absolutely no "character" of note on Relapse other than Eminem doing a bunch of shitty accents.

Doing a bunch of accents does not constitute playing a "character."

I'm also quite sick of hearing people regard Relapse as a "serial killer" album. Count, the only songs that encompass serial killing content are "3 a.m.", "Same Song & Dance" and "Stay Wide Awake". Oh, and he references serial killers on "Must Be The Ganja" but since we're strictly talking about content, that's three fuckin' tracks. 12 out of 15 songs aren't about serial killing.

Probably because that's the tone of the album as a whole. Accents and serial killing.

Plus you've got all the horror movie references on Underground.

Plus there's Insane, where he talks about getting molested.

Plus you basically have to throw out Beautiful, since it was a pill era track that wasn't actually made for this album.

He uses an accent on the serial killing tracks and carries it over to the random rhyming tracks. That's the mood of the album - an accent associated with his serial killing songs being on nearly every track. Forced shock value is the name of the game on most of the tracks on Relapse.

But that's besides the point, quit trying to degrade other people because they disagree with your vomit inducing thesis - which seems have happened a plethora of times prior.

"Plethora" isn't the word you're looking for in that context. The word you're looking for is, "bunch."

Don't tell me what to say, you fucking idiot. Blow it out your ass.

If it weren't for me, you wouldn't even know that inverse multis existed.

The Relapse/Slim Shady LP comparison is ridiculous, and people deserve to be called out for making such a horrible comparison. What the hell is similar between Brain Damage/My Fault/97 Bonnie & Clyde/As The World Turns....and Stay Wide Awake, Same Song and Dance, and 3 AM? How about Guilty Conscience and Old Time's Sake? How about My Name Is and We Made You? How about Deja Vu and Rock Bottom/If I Had?

Not a fucking thing. It's an absolute joke. If you think the comparison is valid, you're not qualified to be an Eminem fan or have any opinion on music whatsoever.

[EminemBase]

It's not off at all.

They don't have to have the same subject-matter to be comparable.

They're both Em, in-character trying to provoke the listener through storytelling or descriptive writing. Doesn't matter if they sound alike or not, the intent is most like The Slim Shady LP.

Em tries to provoke the listener on every album, but Relapse and The Slim Shady LP both have a particular voice and style that identifies a character and are, most fictional, which makes them more similar than any other of Em's two albums.

[EminemBase]

On Relapse, there are no random rhyming tracks besides "Underground".

This is simply not true.

Random rhyming songs on Relapse: Bagpipes from Baghdad, Hello, We Made You, Medicine Ball, Old Time's Sake, Must Be The Ganja, Crack a Bottle, Underground

Songs that, while having an overall "serial killer" framework, are basically random songs in disguise: 3am, Stay Wide Awake

That's 10 out of 14.

Yeah and they're all badass.

[EminemInsider]

I was saving myself time, but they all follow that pattern.

What you really mean to say is simply that he doesn't do any A-B-A-Bs, A-B-B-As, or A-C-B-C-A-C-B-C's...or inverses.

A-A is the fundamental pattern in music. Like Amadeo, I merely give "extra credit" for varying patterns. I don't look at a song and immediately denounce it if the patterns are straight-forward.

When did I suggest making a song was easy? I just said the rhyme scheme is simplistic and boring, which it is.

Again, when did I suggest I had expectations of varying patterns? I just said the rhyme scheme is simplistic and boring, which it is.

What do you think "simplistic" means? The songs on Infinite sure as hell aren't "simplistic."

"Boring" is entirely subjective.

How were the rhymes on Relapse just "for the sake of rhyming", give me examples? Besides "Underground" of course, which is just paying homage to his roots.

What is Medicine Ball about? What is Must Be the Ganja About? What is Bagpipes from Baghdad about?

Eminem has always had some songs like that on his album, but he usually did them in a completely different way. In the past he was doing what I will term the "4-bar-shock." Every 4 bars, he'd switch to the next series of lines designed to entertain through either shock value, humor, or both. He would often use many of those same verses in "freestyles."

On Relapse, the songs where he's doing this are centered around playing with words to create rhymes, as opposed to entertaining through the meaning of the lines themselves. That part of it is actually reminiscent of what he does on Infinite (the song, "Infinite," at least).

breast nipples flesh tickles my testicles

vs.

I'd rather let a tactical, tactful track tickle your fancy


See any similarity there?

Lol...this entire thing, is a crock of shit. Not even going to waste my time trying to convince you about something you're so stuck on, it sounds like you don't like Relapse anyways which makes it even harder for you to have an open mind. Whatever the case may be, you're still wrong and blind if you don't think Em's in character.

Actually, I like Relapse, and prefer it over Recovery. Deja Vu alone makes it his best post-TES release.

But who exactly is this "character" you think he's playing on Relapse? Define him.

Tone of the album is accents and serial killing? Since when did accents insinuate serial killing and how are accents on an equilibrium with serial killing as the albums tone? Did you read what I said? Three songs on Relapse were about serial killing. Three out of 15 songs, that's 20%! Hardly a tone setter. Oh right on "Underground", so he as a two bars referencing Freddy Krueger, Jason, Michael Myers and Hannibal Lector so it's a serial killer song? He also mentioned Jason on "Bagpipes From Baghdad", so I guess we'll toss that in the mix too.

Because those 3 serial killing songs all feature the accent, and when a listener like me comes across other "random rhyme" songs with that same voice, he is reminded of those 3 songs, as the serial killing songs are more salient.

Okay...? So being molested by his father on "Insane" is synonymous with serial killing? Riiight. Am I even trying to prove you wrong anymore or are you doing that yourself?

It's not synonymous, but it's another song where he's just begging for people to call him "immature."

What the fuck does "Beautiful" have to do with this? What the hell are you talking about?

It factors into your calculation of serial killing material on Relapse. Beautiful is only noticeable in how not Relapse it is.

On Relapse, there are no random rhyming tracks besides "Underground". The accent isn't associated with serial killing, you're associating it with serial killing. You act as if the accent is just one distinct sound meanwhile they were all varying from each track to the next and just because he used them on serial killing tracks doesn't mean they're connotative with fuckin' serial killing because he uses them on other tracks like "Bagpipes From Baghdad", "Old Time's Sake" and "Must Be The Ganja".

The problem is, Bagpipes from Baghdad, Old Time's Sake, and Must Be the Ganja are just random rhyming tracks. They're not memorable songs. 3AM, Stay Wide Awake, and Same Song and Dance are memorable, whether someone likes them or not. You remember the subject matter.

tl;dr, your vomit inducing thesis was followed up by a fecal matter consuming inducing rebuttal.

"Consuming inducing?" Which one is it? Some of your bizarre prose is headache-inducing.