Relapse was his recovery and Recovery was his relapse

[EminemBase]

Don't really fully agree with this, and I love both albums.

Just speaking with someone about how Relapse was a more a step into fictional creation, so in a way his recovery to dark originality (or an attempt at least).

And Recovery is more of a relapse into bitching and yelling about things. So came out with...

Relapse was his recovery and Recovery was his relapse.

Odd how that works.

[Alaine]

he's not bitching in recovery
and he was going for sslp style with relapse (but failed, imo)

[Alaine]

he's not bitching in recovery

Oh come on, he's complaining on about every track

he talked about his problems and pretty much claims all the wrongs himself, he does not blame other people around him for his problems like in the past anymore because he realizes he himself is the problem, that's not bitching.

[EminemBase]

he's not bitching in recovery
and he was going for sslp style with relapse (but failed, imo)

I stated in the first line I don't really agree with the line itself.

I just liked the line lmao, you're missing the point by specifically debating the message in the line. BUT, he does bitch a lot on Recovery. Bitching doesn't have to mean you take no blame yourself. Even if he himself is the target, it's still bitching.

[Alaine]

^ if that's your definition of "bitching" then I guess every musician that talk about their lives in music is bitching then. To me "bitching" is simply a childish way to represent your anger like "it's not my fault, it's ...'s fault that make me like this" bah blah blah, so yeah, when someone talk about their problems in a mature way, I can't call that "bitching"

[EminemBase]

^ Bitching just means complaining. Doesn't mean you yourself can't be the complaint.

He's complaining about his past habbits, his past downfalls, he's doing everything in a bitchy tone. Bitching can be mature, it's just unpleasent, angry complaints about problems. Only difference is on Recovery he doesn't bitch about anyone but himself and rectifies the complaints with breakthroughs.

Hence the title. But this is all by the by, reason I stated I don't really agree with the line myself in the first fucking post was to avoid debate on it. I didn't make the post to make this as a statement, I just liked the line.

So I ain't even replying in regards to this again, not the point of the post.

[Alaine]

Bitching can be mature

I don't think so. Guess it's a matter of opinion.
Ex: Cleanin' out my closet <- bitching, honest? yes (maybe actually), but mature? nah

[EminemBase]

Bitching can be mature

I don't think so. Guess it's a matter of opinion.
Ex: Cleanin' out my closet <- bitching, honest? yes (maybe actually), but mature? nah

What's your point there. You're taking one track as if it can be the only example of bitching and summing it up like you've proven no bitching can be mature.

Mature means rational, fully-blown. People think to be mature you have to be pleasant. You can be unpleasant and nasty and still be mature in your intent.

Anyway, I'm done for real now. Have fun.

[katha]

Besides, who even cares if he's bitching, if he's doing it in an interesting way? Isn't that what Eminem's all about? Taking out his frustration at those who have done him wrong in an interesting, engaging way?

^ This. Encore was crap because he suddenly couldn't write great songs anymore. His lyrics etc. weren't up to snuff anymore, no matter the content. He was always deeply personal in his songs and caught up with his own demons. The drugs just sucked the ability to reflect and write about that out of him.

He got that writing ability back with Relapse, at least to a significant degree. The accents annoy me sometimes and it DOES get repetitive. But there's Deja Vu, My Mum, Christopher Reeves striking back etc., so I'm not complaining too much.

IMO Recovery is on the whole an improvement on that. Again, not everything works, it gets too sappy and unintentionally funny in places, but on the whole it's excellent.

[EminemBase]

I agree that Relapse was his return to form (if that's what he means by recovery).

Recovery built on that form. It was a step in the right direction (dropping the silly accent and broadening his themes beyond serial killer tracks).

I honestly don't understand how you call Recovery bitchy when your favorite album is The Eminem Show, an album with arguably more bitching.

Say Goodbye Hollywood... an undoubtedly brilliant track... but one of his first "woe is me, I'm famous!" tracks. Cleaning Out My Closet... "fuck you mom you ruined my life!" Then there's all the stuff about not getting enough respect, about critics misunderstanding him... about Hailie leaving him...

Besides, who even cares if he's bitching, if he's doing it in an interesting way? Isn't that what Eminem's all about? Taking out his frustration at those who have done him wrong in an interesting, engaging way?

QUOTE, FROM ME, VERY 1ST LINE TO OPENING POST...
Don't really fully agree with this, and I love both albums.

Don't really fully agree with this, and I love both albums.

ANYONE ELSE?

Don't really fully agree with this, and I love both albums.
Don't really fully agree with this, and I love both albums.
Don't really fully agree with this, and I love both albums.
Don't really fully agree with this, and I love both albums.
Don't really fully agree with this, and I love both albums.

Christ almighty. I say about 1,000 times I just liked the line and wasn't fully pushing it as a statement and don't even really agree with it myself. Yet people still debate the point.

[iain08]

^ nobody said you agreed with it or not, but it brought up an interesting topic anyhow.

[EminemBase]

^ nobody said you agreed with it or not, but it brought up an interesting topic anyhow.

Yes they did.

Despite me stating from the get-go that I didn't agree with my own statement, was just a line I liked people still direct posts at me as if I agree with it and want to debate it.

[iain08]

Yes they did.

Despite me stating from the get-go that I didn't agree with my own statement, was just a line I liked people still direct posts at me as if I agree with it and want to debate it.

well i read it as just discussing it, not personally arguing against you. but whatever, not a big deal.

[fopower]

Yes they did.

Despite me stating from the get-go that I didn't agree with my own statement, was just a line I liked people still direct posts at me as if I agree with it and want to debate it.

well i read it as just discussing it, not personally arguing against you. but whatever, not a big deal.

I just looked at your sig. Did EminemBase really say that?

[iain08]

I just looked at your sig. Did EminemBase really say that?

hahaha yeah, such a funny thread. him and this guy were fighting and they all being e-thugs and getting e-boners.