Kez wrote:Yeah but that doesn't change the fact that he put her on it at least partially because he knew she would make it sell. Music shouldn't be about sales, especially not when you in Em's position and one of the world's richest. That's just what I feel. That and the fact that Rihanna is Godawful. She's no more talented than Wayne,
Well it does change it to me.
I think he cares about resonance and influence. I don't think he gives a shit about money or sales, he has to care about sales because he cares about influence but, I think he wants his music to be relevant and big, and mean something now.
But I honestly do not believe he just wants a hit for the sake of a hit like a pop star does. And, it still changes it for me, as the collab makes the song mean something artistically. So I couldn't care less about other possible motives, as the end result is to my liking.
Kez wrote:Except he didn't do that because it would make him money. It was a matter of principles and morals. It meant something. Everything Rihanna does, to my eyes, is manufactured garbage and is purely financial.
Again, I seriously do not think he gives a flying shit about money. I think he cares about his fans, about seeming relevant and not seeming like a has-been or a nobody anymore and I think he cares about his influence and legacy.
And, I think he did it just as much to cause a stir. Because don't forget, the song is not an easy hit. Yes it has Rihanna on it but the song's content is not commercial content. Realistic tales of domestic violence, in detail, is not sell-out material. That's integral material.
So he's forcing the mainstream to swallow hardcore content and tricking the radios into playing it with Rihanna's name. And her name makes the content itself more resonant, noteworthy and questionable to people, due to her personal past. It makes it ballsy.
So no, I don't agree on LTWYL at all and nothing about the song points to him watering himself down or just wanting money or a hit to me. He's lyrical, angry, realistic and graphic and uses the most public figure of domestic abuse in recent times to sing the hook. That's artistic, not pop.
Kez wrote:To be honest it defeats the point of him reverting back to dissin celebrities if he's just gonna turn around and be like "yeah lol I didnt mean it shes dope", "what specificially is dope about her Em", "erm.."
And yes I agree that Wayne is abysmal.
Yeah but he wasn't dissing her. That's his point.
He was never truly 'dissing' them on a personal front apart from Christina who he had a real-life personal thing with.
Back in the day he insulted them extremely to separate himself from them and stop people lumping him in with them. And now, because it's part of 'the Eminem lyrical package', he just arbitrarily uses relevant names as meaningless targets for the sake of wordplay.
The Lady GaGa thing wasn't even insulting, it was a just a ridiculous pun for the sake of writing that pun, referencing a bizarre Internet rumour. What's getting tiring and irritating is the retarded newspapers who STILL do not get Eminem (and, it's hardly brain surgery at this point), still think he's homophobic, still think he's genuinely angry or genuinely insulting pop stars personally.
They're fucking retarded. I hate the mainstream media with a passion. I would seriously, honestly and genuinely love to kick the living shit out of Bill O'Reilly. And not for what he's said on Em, or, not just that, but just in general. The guy is a complete fucking idiot.
