What is Slim Shady?

[CanadaPure]

Getting raped by your step-dad while your mother does nothing and then laying under a lawnmower is totally grounded in reality y0.

[Snakebeast]

I'm having problems fighting both of you at once -_-

Firstly, CanadaPure. You know I idolize you, but I'm afraid Imma hafta beat you to death with words

Getting raped by your step-dad while your mother does nothing and then laying under a lawnmower is totally grounded in reality y0.

Rape isn't exactly outlandish, brosif. Not only that, but once again. I refer to my previous post, where I said the central theme of Relapse was murder and different ways of killing. He isn't taking a meteor shower. Getting killed by a lawnmower could actually happen.

So it's realistic that Em sat in a strip club throwing pennies at strippers?

It's obviously a fictional tale. It's Shady, "Shady's here".

Seriously, bro?

Every fucking rapper has made at least one club/party song. It doesn't mean they're "crazy" or "outlandish".

Compared to say, "When I'm Gone" where he says "Yeah, Shady made ME" << he makes a separation, referencing Shady as separate to the guy spitting right there, compared to WTP where he says "SHADY'S HERE".

Sorry, dude, but I don't take anything someone says while on drugs seriously. Not only that, but that statement DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS your previous point, where you stated that the two were one and the same.

How the hell is Relapse grounded in reality :/ lmao... it's got to be his most abstract, out of this world album he's ever made....

Putting an umbrella up a woman's cunt and opening it is grounded in reality? It's fantasy, it's storytelling. What about kidnapping Lindsey Lohan and walking up to Britney Spears' house in high-hells or chopping off his ear to send it to her... that's not wacky and out of this world? Lol.

Relapse is also hilarious. Those who don't recognize the humour in it obviously don't get Em's humour, it's packed with brilliant dark, disturbing wit. Just like SSLP.

No. No. NO. Relapse is fucking grounded as fuck. Its a serial killer's album. Slim Shady has no focus. He rhymes with whatever he feels like, and makes weird ass imagery that sounds funny while also crazy. The Em on Relapse was VERY VERY FOCUSED. He was completely and utterly focused on his serial killer persona, and would not let go of it.

Raping someone with an umbrella is possible, you know.

And the whole kidnapping thing just proves my point that Em was not Slim Shady. He was a serial killer. He was on a murder spree, and that was what Same Song and Dance was.

Relapse was not fucking hilarious. At all. It was dark as shit, and to me, it sounded like a very, very, dark parody of Eminem. It reminded me of creepypasta, actually.

[EminemBase]

Rape isn't exactly outlandish, brosif. Not only that, but once again. I refer to my previous post, where I said the central theme of Relapse was murder and different ways of killing. He isn't taking a meteor shower. Getting killed by a lawnmower could actually happen.

So your logic is... if it CAN happen, it's not Shady?

The majority of the stuff on the Slim Shady LP COULD happen too... is that not Shady either?

The basic storyline of "As the World Turns" is that he chases and rapes a woman... sound similar? You just said rape wasn't outlandish / implied because it could happen it ain't Shady... is "As the World Turns" not Shady then?

Seriously, bro?

Every fucking rapper has made at least one club/party song. It doesn't mean they're "crazy" or "outlandish".

But the tale is OBVIOUSLY not real, and he's rapping creatively and abstractly...

Just because it COULD happen doesn't make it not Shady :/

And in "Insane" he explicitly fucking asks himself "Shady what the fuck you saying!?" - You're literally disagreeing with the words out of Eminem's own mouth, the man who fucking created it!

No. No. NO. Relapse is fucking grounded as fuck. Its a serial killer's album. Slim Shady has no focus. He rhymes with whatever he feels like, and makes weird ass imagery that sounds funny while also crazy. The Em on Relapse was VERY VERY FOCUSED. He was completely and utterly focused on his serial killer persona, and would not let go of it.

Shady has always been a serial killer. The only difference is he emphasized other aspects more and had more things to talk about, he was more political etc.

What do you think Em was implying when he used to wear a Jason Mask and have a chainsaw?

Let's take a look at the freestyle that preceeded the album aka summed it up:

"Baby here Shady comes lady
He's got the razor ba-blades and the cha-cha-chainsaw-saw baby (serial killer)"

So once again... this isn't just Em generically referring to himself in an off-handed way as Shady, that's Em explicitly saying THIS IS SLIM SHADY, SLIM SHADY IS WHO I AM NOW. Again, and again.

Shady has always killed people.

He does a lot of serial-killing, but that's not all he does, he also provokes, performs weird sexual acts, hunts for drugs... as Shady always has done. The murder was just heavier as the concept was he was going in to a drug-fueled murder rampage. Which is Shady.

"Hello" isn't a serial killer track, and it's certainly not an Eminem track. It's in fact comparable to something like "My Fault". It's zany storytelling and descriptions of drugs etc.

Also, again, he says "MY NAME IS... SHADDDDY", so you're literally saying Eminem is wrong about his own work. When he's the one who created it.

Raping someone with an umbrella is possible, you know.

So are much of the things Eminem has always said as Shady - cutting people, slapping people, sticking his middle finger up etc. : you're stuck in the mindset of Shady being the original incarnation style that he debuted with. Shady is a metaphor, the style or levels or murder is not significant... it varies... sometimes he's been wacky as Shady and just slapped people, sometimes he murders them.

On Relapse he was major murdering Shady as he was relapsing to the WORST POSSIBLE incarnation of Shady, he wanted to shock beyond belief, it was the return of Shady, so he went OTT with it.

And the whole kidnapping thing just proves my point that Em was not Slim Shady. He was a serial killer. He was on a murder spree, and that was what Same Song and Dance was.

How does that prove it's Em :/

So Eminem really did that? Or wants to kidnap and rape women?...

Serial killing has always been a part of Shady!

Relapse was not fucking hilarious. At all. It was dark as shit, and to me, it sounded like a very, very, dark parody of Eminem. It reminded me of creepypasta, actually.

Relapse was hilarious.

"Come on toots, gimmie the valium - alley-oop, I'm slam dunk it in your mouth 'til you puke: and just as soon as you pass out in your alphabet soup"

It's detailed, witty and dark, just as Shady always has been. It's just darker because Em is emphasizing the darkest period of his life, and the most fucked up shit possible is rape and murder and eating babies, so that's what he emphasized as he wanted to shock galore.

"Locked in Mariah's wine cellar"... < again, could happen... but so could most things he's ever rapped about :/ the thing which makes it Shady is the fact it's not reality. It's fantasy / escapism aka which is all Shady is - an escapist metaphor.

There's absolutely nothing beyond your own theory that Relapse is not Shady and it's some different character; not to mention the fact Em continuously refers to himself as Shady, mid-acts, mid-thought throughout the entire fucking album... but you're saying he's wrong about his own work. Lol.

[CanadaPure]

I'm having problems fighting both of you at once -_-

Firstly, CanadaPure. You know I idolize you, but I'm afraid Imma hafta beat you to death with words

Getting raped by your step-dad while your mother does nothing and then laying under a lawnmower is totally grounded in reality y0.

Rape isn't exactly outlandish, brosif. Not only that, but once again. I refer to my previous post, where I said the central theme of Relapse was murder and different ways of killing. He isn't taking a meteor shower. Getting killed by a lawnmower could actually happen.

I was only joking though son, I really don't give a fuck about any of this "what is shady" argument, so carry on.

[Snakebeast]

So your logic is... if it CAN happen, it's not Shady?

The majority of the stuff on the Slim Shady LP COULD happen too... is that not Shady either?

The basic storyline of "As the World Turns" is that he chases and rapes a woman... sound similar? You just said rape wasn't outlandish / implied because it could happen it ain't Shady... is "As the World Turns" not Shady then?

Not all of SSLP was Slim Shady. And not only that, but:

"Duh-dah-duh-dah-duh-duh, go-go gadget dick
Whipped that shit out, and ain't no doubt about it
It hit the ground and caused an earthquake and power outage"

Cuz that could actually happen.

And in "Insane" he explicitly fucking asks himself "Shady what the fuck you saying!?" - You're literally disagreeing with the words out of Eminem's own mouth, the man who fucking created it!

Once again, Em refers to him as Shady on EVERYTHING.

Talking 2 Myself:
"Long enough, it isn't them it's you you fucking baby
Quit worrying 'bout what they do and do Shady, I'm fucking going crazy"

Shady has always been a serial killer. The only difference is he emphasized other aspects more and had more things to talk about, he was more political etc.

What do you think Em was implying when he used to wear a Jason Mask and have a chainsaw?

Let's take a look at the freestyle that preceeded the album aka summed it up:


Shady has always killed people.

He does a lot of serial-killing, but that's not all he does, he also provokes, performs weird sexual acts, hunts for drugs... as Shady always has done. The murder was just heavier as the concept was he was going in to a drug-fueled murder rampage. Which is Shady.

Slim Shady is not a serial killer. Do you know what a serial killer is, bro? Slim Shady kills, yes, but not exclusively. He does wacky shit. He's insane, crazy. But he has no plan. He's like the Joker. He does what he does when he feels like it.

Relapse Em doesn't do that. He has a plan. He is going to go to point A, grab extension cord. Meet girl. Duct tape mouth, chop off skin. Cross off list. On to a bigger star.

"Hello" isn't a serial killer track, and it's certainly not an Eminem track. It's in fact comparable to something like "My Fault". It's zany storytelling and descriptions of drugs etc.

Also, again, he says "MY NAME IS... SHADDDDY", so you're literally saying Eminem is wrong about his own work. When he's the one who created it.

Once again, just because he yells "SHAAAAAADDY" doesn't mean shit. Not only that, but its a parody of "My Name Is" off SSLP. But notice how there's no "Put a bulletproof vest on, shoot myself in the head" type of shit here. Its about drugs and women. Not unrealistic.

So are much of the things Eminem has always said as Shady - cutting people, slapping people, sticking his middle finger up etc. : you're stuck in the mindset of Shady being the original incarnation style that he debuted with. Shady is a metaphor, the style or levels or murder is not significant... it varies... sometimes he's been wacky as Shady and just slapped people, sometimes he murders them.

On Relapse he was major murdering Shady as he was relapsing to the WORST POSSIBLE incarnation of Shady, he wanted to shock beyond belief, it was the return of Shady, so he went OTT with it.

I am not, actually. If you read my previous post, I said that the Relapse Slim Shady was present. On Underground and Crack A Bottle, where he was ACTUALLY saying insane shit, like how he would fuck up fictional serial killers and how women could lick his cheesy nuts.

Slim Shady is not permanently set on murder.

How does that prove it's Em :/

So Eminem really did that? Or wants to kidnap and rape women?...

Serial killing has always been a part of Shady!

Once again, are you aware of what a serial killer is? Killing has been part of Shady. NOT serial killing.

Relapse was hilarious.

"Come on toots, gimmie the valium - alley-oop, I'm slam dunk it in your mouth 'til you puke: and just as soon as you pass out in your alphabet soup"

It's detailed, witty and dark, just as Shady always has been. It's just darker because Em is emphasizing the darkest period of his life, and the most fucked up shit possible is rape and murder and eating babies, so that's what he emphasized as he wanted to shock galore.

That line was not funny AT ALL. It showed just how deranged serial-killer Em was. No wacky shit there. The rhyming and subject matter is very lax and relaxed, showing that Em was very calm while doing this.

"Locked in Mariah's wine cellar"... < again, could happen... but so could most things he's ever rapped about :/ the thing which makes it Shady is the fact it's not reality. It's fantasy / escapism aka which is all Shady is - an escapist metaphor.

Escapist metaphor? You say that I make stuff up. Since when did Em ever say that it was an escapist metaphor? Let me quote Em here:

"Eminem would fuck you. Slim Shady would fuck you and your mother."

Not exactly a psycho fantasy.

I was only joking though son, I really don't give a fuck about any of this "what is shady" argument, so carry on.

You...don't care about me? But I love you And Eminem is our messiah and lord, remember?

[CanadaPure]

You...don't care about me? But I love you And Eminem is our messiah and lord, remember?

I love you! I just don't care about a debate centering around Eminem's alter-ego.

[Snakebeast]

He didn't refer to himself directly on T2M, btw...

It says in the title. He was talking to himself.

You...don't care about me? But I love you And Eminem is our messiah and lord, remember?

I love you! I just don't care about a debate centering around Eminem's alter-ego.

You're dead to me.


























Just kidding, I love you

[EminemBase]

So your logic is... if it CAN happen, it's not Shady?

The majority of the stuff on the Slim Shady LP COULD happen too... is that not Shady either?

The basic storyline of "As the World Turns" is that he chases and rapes a woman... sound similar? You just said rape wasn't outlandish / implied because it could happen it ain't Shady... is "As the World Turns" not Shady then?

Not all of SSLP was Slim Shady. And not only that, but:

"Duh-dah-duh-dah-duh-duh, go-go gadget dick
Whipped that shit out, and ain't no doubt about it
It hit the ground and caused an earthquake and power outage"

Cuz that could actually happen.

And in "Insane" he explicitly fucking asks himself "Shady what the fuck you saying!?" - You're literally disagreeing with the words out of Eminem's own mouth, the man who fucking created it!

Once again, Em refers to him as Shady on EVERYTHING.

Talking 2 Myself:
"Long enough, it isn't them it's you you fucking baby
Quit worrying 'bout what they do and do Shady, I'm fucking going crazy"

Shady has always been a serial killer. The only difference is he emphasized other aspects more and had more things to talk about, he was more political etc.

What do you think Em was implying when he used to wear a Jason Mask and have a chainsaw?

Let's take a look at the freestyle that preceeded the album aka summed it up:


Shady has always killed people.

He does a lot of serial-killing, but that's not all he does, he also provokes, performs weird sexual acts, hunts for drugs... as Shady always has done. The murder was just heavier as the concept was he was going in to a drug-fueled murder rampage. Which is Shady.

Slim Shady is not a serial killer. Do you know what a serial killer is, bro? Slim Shady kills, yes, but not exclusively. He does wacky shit. He's insane, crazy. But he has no plan. He's like the Joker. He does what he does when he feels like it.

Relapse Em doesn't do that. He has a plan. He is going to go to point A, grab extension cord. Meet girl. Duct tape mouth, chop off skin. Cross off list. On to a bigger star.

"Hello" isn't a serial killer track, and it's certainly not an Eminem track. It's in fact comparable to something like "My Fault". It's zany storytelling and descriptions of drugs etc.

Also, again, he says "MY NAME IS... SHADDDDY", so you're literally saying Eminem is wrong about his own work. When he's the one who created it.

Once again, just because he yells "SHAAAAAADDY" doesn't mean shit. Not only that, but its a parody of "My Name Is" off SSLP. But notice how there's no "Put a bulletproof vest on, shoot myself in the head" type of shit here. Its about drugs and women. Not unrealistic.

So are much of the things Eminem has always said as Shady - cutting people, slapping people, sticking his middle finger up etc. : you're stuck in the mindset of Shady being the original incarnation style that he debuted with. Shady is a metaphor, the style or levels or murder is not significant... it varies... sometimes he's been wacky as Shady and just slapped people, sometimes he murders them.

On Relapse he was major murdering Shady as he was relapsing to the WORST POSSIBLE incarnation of Shady, he wanted to shock beyond belief, it was the return of Shady, so he went OTT with it.

I am not, actually. If you read my previous post, I said that the Relapse Slim Shady was present. On Underground and Crack A Bottle, where he was ACTUALLY saying insane shit, like how he would fuck up fictional serial killers and how women could lick his cheesy nuts.

Slim Shady is not permanently set on murder.

How does that prove it's Em :/

So Eminem really did that? Or wants to kidnap and rape women?...

Serial killing has always been a part of Shady!

Once again, are you aware of what a serial killer is? Killing has been part of Shady. NOT serial killing.

Relapse was hilarious.

"Come on toots, gimmie the valium - alley-oop, I'm slam dunk it in your mouth 'til you puke: and just as soon as you pass out in your alphabet soup"

It's detailed, witty and dark, just as Shady always has been. It's just darker because Em is emphasizing the darkest period of his life, and the most fucked up shit possible is rape and murder and eating babies, so that's what he emphasized as he wanted to shock galore.

That line was not funny AT ALL. It showed just how deranged serial-killer Em was. No wacky shit there. The rhyming and subject matter is very lax and relaxed, showing that Em was very calm while doing this.

"Locked in Mariah's wine cellar"... < again, could happen... but so could most things he's ever rapped about :/ the thing which makes it Shady is the fact it's not reality. It's fantasy / escapism aka which is all Shady is - an escapist metaphor.

Escapist metaphor? You say that I make stuff up. Since when did Em ever say that it was an escapist metaphor? Let me quote Em here:

"Eminem would fuck you. Slim Shady would fuck you and your mother."

Not exactly a psycho fantasy.

I was only joking though son, I really don't give a fuck about any of this "what is shady" argument, so carry on.

You...don't care about me? But I love you And Eminem is our messiah and lord, remember?

"I'll rip a tree out the ground and flip it upside down"...

(yeah cause that could happen too. Eminem says shit in most songs which couldn't happen).

And in "Talkin' 2 Myself", he doesn't refer to himself as Shady there, he says DO SHADY aka he's saying to do that persona thus implying he's not Shady as he's saying that.

Entirely different to:

"Here comes Shady lady
HE'S got the razor bla-blades"

And "MY name is... SHAAAAADY"

Entirely, entirely different. Oh and "SHADY what the fuck YOU saying" < these are direct implications that he's Shady in that very moment. So you're just plain saying that Eminem is wrong.

Also:

Shady never a serial-killer ay?

Explain this then:

"Serial-killer hiding murder material in a cereal box on top of your stereo"...

I guess Em was referring to himself as a serial killer? or yet ANOTHER character?

Also at the beginning of "Crack a Bottle" Em defines Shady's record as '4 murders'; a serial-killer is defined as a killer who has murdered more than 3 people generally... and then he says SLIMMMM, SHADDDDDY... so right there he's telling you Shady is a serial-killer. As he always has been.

Shady isn't limited to do specific things, he's whatever Em chooses to be, be it wacky, ridiculous or downright despicable: the only defining factor is the escapism factor. Shady could be a superhero or a serial-killer; it's Eminem's fantasy, Shady is whatever fantasy he inhibits be it creep, cool, insane, mystical... Shady has been all these things are various points. It's not a specific character.

[EminemBase]

^ Yes because Eminem IS Shady.

He's referring to himself but usually does it when being: sick, humorous etc. etc. as Shady is a metaphor for those sides of his personality. It's not a separate character.

[Notalius]

[Snakebeast]

"I'll rip a tree out the ground and flip it upside down"...

(yeah cause that could happen too. Eminem says shit in most songs which couldn't happen).

Tis a metaphor. You forgot the second part of that line where he says he'd rather do that than turn over a new leaf.

And in "Talkin' 2 Myself", he doesn't refer to himself as Shady there, he says DO SHADY aka he's saying to do that persona thus implying he's not Shady as he's saying that.

Entirely different to:

"Here comes Shady lady
HE'S got the razor bla-blades"

And "MY name is... SHAAAAADY"

Entirely, entirely different. Oh and "SHADY what the fuck YOU saying" < these are direct implications that he's Shady in that very moment. So you're just plain saying that Eminem is wrong.

As Amadeo said, just because he announces "SHAAAADY!!" doesn't actually mean he IS Slim Shady. He even stated in his biography that Slim Shady was dead.

Also:

Shady never a serial-killer ay?

Explain this then:

"Serial-killer hiding murder material in a cereal box on top of your stereo"...

I guess Em was referring to himself as a serial killer? or yet ANOTHER character?

It's a play on words. And like you said, he never actually refers to himself when he says serial killer, right?

Also at the beginning of "Crack a Bottle" Em defines Shady's record as '4 murders'; a serial-killer is defined as a killer who has murdered more than 3 people generally... and then he says SLIMMMM, SHADDDDDY... so right there he's telling you Shady is a serial-killer. As he always has been.

._. In a short period of time. The murders have to be in a short period of time. He never says "4 murders.....in a month".

Shady isn't limited to do specific things, he's whatever Em chooses to be, be it wacky, ridiculous or downright despicable: the only defining factor is the escapism factor. Shady could be a superhero or a serial-killer; it's Eminem's fantasy, Shady is whatever fantasy he inhibits be it creep, cool, insane, mystical... Shady has been all these things are various points. It's not a specific character.

Exactly my point. Shady isn't limited. He does EVERYTHING wacky and hilarious, and EVERYTHING dark and insane. Em on Relapse wasn't doing that. He was focused SOLELY on the killing and realistic violence.

[Supershade]

A man with a gat in his hand staking your house out in a tan tinted sedan

[Dante]

EmBase owned you Snake. He kept repeating that you CAN'T limit Slim Shady but yet you continue to limit him.

You sound so dumb constantly saying, "It has to be unrealistic to be Shady," But what you can't seem to comprehend is that the events described on Relapse never actually happened so therefore it IS Slim Shady rapping.

Yes, you could die by being run over a fucking lawn mower but you could also die by strapping a bullet-proof vest on and shooting yourself in the head. Yet, you call one song Relapse-Em and the other one Slim Shady. Ahh, it's so infuriating.'

Eminem being able to make up these realistic stories shows how creative he is as an artist. But because he is only making them up, therefore making the stories NOT REAL, he is rapping through the perspective of Slim Shady.

[Snakebeast]

EmBase owned you Snake. He kept repeating that you CAN'T limit Slim Shady but yet you continue to limit him.

You sound so dumb constantly saying, "It has to be unrealistic to be Shady," But what you can't seem to comprehend is that the events described on Relapse never actually happened so therefore it IS Slim Shady rapping.

Yes, you could die by being run over a fucking lawn mower but you could also die by strapping a bullet-proof vest on and shooting yourself in the head. Yet, you call one song Relapse-Em and the other one Slim Shady. Ahh, it's so infuriating.'

Eminem being able to make up these realistic stories shows how creative he is as an artist. But because he is only making them up, therefore making the stories NOT REAL, he is rapping through the perspective of Slim Shady.

Thanks for your input.

Anyways, by your logic, then, Won't Back Down is Slim Shady. Where I'm Gone is Slim Shady.

I never said that Slim Shady didn't murder people, I said that he didn't EXCLUSIVELY do that shit.

Eminem making shit up does not mean it's Slim Shady. Is the first verse of Lose Yourself Slim Shady?

[Dante]

Thanks for your input.

Anyways, by your logic, then, Won't Back Down is Slim Shady.

Well, yeah, it could be. He IS referring to himself as "Shady" throughout the song. The entire song is fiction. Actually, I don't even know what to define it as since it's him just yelling about sick pigs and small pokes.

Where I'm Gone is Slim Shady.

Arguable...but I'd say When I'm Gone is more of a dream or vision. He's not making anything up, he's not making up the fact that he has a daughter and wife that constantly nag and bitch at him for being the most famous rapper alive and never being able to spend time with them. That's real. But, instead of being a boring fuck, Eminem decided to make the song seem like it was some epiphany he was having, that he finally realized after six years of having a professional career that his daughter and nagging, bitch wife actually MEAN something to him.

The beginning of verse three seems like it's made up - and it is - but that's more of a nightmare Eminem is having. He didn't create his daughter standing there with a coin begging him to get off the stage; the stress from the constant family issues did.

Eminem making shit up does not mean it's Slim Shady. Is the first verse of Lose Yourself Slim Shady?

When I said "making stuff up" I should have been more specific. Just because Eminem says "the sky is red" doesn't mean it's Slim Shady talking, you're 100% correct.

I'll just use EmBase's definition of Slim Shady as an escapist metaphor. He uses Slim Shady to create stories so he doesn't have to talk about his shitty life.

Now, depending on your perspective of the song Lose Yourself, the first verse could either be A)Eminem rapping about B-Rabbit or B)Eminem rapping about himself.