Everybody who hates Recovery...

[EminemBase]

I much prefer Relapse. The zany, bombastic flows and Em's total indulgence in character is like crack to me, lmao. There are also instances of poetic flair in the writing, for example:

QUITE a different drumbeat.

QUITE, QUITE, QUITE, QUITE - QUITE A DIFFERENT DRUMBEAT

Just like, lmao, the attention to detail and total character indulgence is bombastic and produces zany. Lmao. Zany bombastic zany crack to me - should have ended after Deja Vu - perfect ending QUITE A , QUITE, QUITE A, QUITE - QUITE A DIFFERENT DRUMBEAT - zany, such a bombastic zany


like crack to me

[EminemBase]

- Summer 2010: A lot of fans thought Recovery almost reached the heights of TES, and a great majority preferred Recovery over Relapse. In a poll here on Trshady with the title "Which is better lyrically - Recovery vs. Relapse", 80% voted for Recovery. Some fans were undecided whether Encore or Relapse was Eminem’s worst album.

- Spring 2011: A good amount of fans still consider Recovery to be "miles ahead" (as one fan put it) of Relapse. The majority prefer Recovery over Relapse, 58 % versus 42%.

- Winter 2012: A majority now prefer Relapse over Recovery, 62 % versus 38%.

- Summer 2013: Trshady votes Relapse to be the #11 best hip hop album of all time. There's no question that a great majority now prefer Relapse over Recovery. Criticizing/bashing Recovery is the Trshady-standard.

True dat, just like some of Kubrick's movies were considered shit-average upon release then became gold standards for psycho-horror masterpieces.

Great works are misunderstood upon release...

Recovery is initially catchy and hard-hitting but then its many many many holes and flaws become more and more apparent over time and the goodness of the music becomes overshadowed by the shit production and lines and lack of overall direction...

Where as people's initial issue with Relapse was his voice... but the more they listen, the brilliance of the writing overshadows their annoyance with that, not to mention the cohesiveness of the tracks, the music, his flows and the overall rapping and consistency.

Relapse's appreciation will improve, greatly, wit time, always said this yo.

[Him Shadow]

I praise these two. At least I know someone on here has the ability to not join the flow and instead point out the truth. Thank you.

TRShady is biased for Relapse and biased against Recovery.

join the flow? so if I don't like Recovery like some of you than it means I'm weak and had to join the flow?? actually I see that suddenly people started to praise relapse and some started to see what recovery really is, but I don't want to be consider as one of these people who don't have their own opinion, I don't follow the trends and shit, I just simply think that Relapse >>>>> Recovery even though 2 years ago I thought it's the opposite. so yeah praise these two like they said somethin' groundbreaking

[Mr Change]

I praise these two. At least I know someone on here has the ability to not join the flow and instead point out the truth. Thank you.

TRShady is biased for Relapse and biased against Recovery.

join the flow? so if I don't like Recovery like some of you than it means I'm weak and had to join the flow?? actually I see that suddenly people started to praise relapse and some started to see what recovery really is, but I don't want to be consider as one of these people who don't have their own opinion, I don't follow the trends and shit, I just simply think that Relapse >>>>> Recovery even though 2 years ago I thought it's the opposite. so yeah praise these two like they said somethin' groundbreaking

Never stated people who think Relapse>Recovery joined a flow of any sort. My entire post was directed to certain people who posted in this thread about dun dun dun you guessed it, Relapse.

[Him Shadow]

oh ok

[Mr Change]

You created this thread in response to Whitefox's thread about Relapse with the exact same title.

As a long time Eminem fan, I was a fan of Relapse upon release and have appreciated it even more over time. I never thought Recovery was better than Relapse. I've always leaned more towards the underground hip-hop side of the genre and really despised Recovery's compromised sound and direction from the get. Does it mean I hate the album? Absolutely not.

It has it's moments of greatness. Almost Famous is a top 5 since his comeback song for me, with songs like Going Through Changes being top notch as well. I also find myself listening to Cold Wind Blows and On Fire frequently.

My main beef with Recovery is that it is a cluster fuck. A cluster fuck consisting of compromised Eminem, asshole Eminem, Slim Shady, wtf punchlines, shitty beats, amazing beats, and Relapse bashing. Even those who enjoy the album much more than I do can't deny that it is a hot mess, if so, you are in strong denial.

In saying that it is a cluster fuck, I'm admitting that there are some amazing songs and some moments of brilliance, it's just all mixed up with songs that aren't up to par.

While I do enjoy Recovery more than Relapse, I agree with almost everything you said. It is a mess of an album. It has some bad production and it has some bad punch lines (that are actually made worse by him emphasizing them). This is why I praise it less as an album, and more for the songs individually.

[Mr Change]

I could see eye to eye with you on that.

Individually, the songs are pretty good.

But that is exactly why people are singing Relapse's praises. As a complete body of work, Relapse is much more detailed, cohesive, and thought out than Recovery.

You can tell that Eminem took his time writing the songs, as Dr. Dre took his time in making the production top notch.

True. However it this case ^ wouldn't it be correct to say Relapse is a better 'complete body of work' than even MMLP & TES? Or would you disagree?

[Mr Change]

I could see eye to eye with you on that.

Individually, the songs are pretty good.

But that is exactly why people are singing Relapse's praises. As a complete body of work, Relapse is much more detailed, cohesive, and thought out than Recovery.

You can tell that Eminem took his time writing the songs, as Dr. Dre took his time in making the production top notch.

True. However it this case ^ wouldn't it be correct to say Relapse is a better 'complete body of work' than even MMLP & TES? Or would you disagree?

I have to disagree.

MMLP and TES had much clearer thoughts, cohesive production throughout, and Eminem was the most coherent he has ever been as far as lyrics go.

MMLP was a direct reaction to his rise to fame and all the tribulations that came with it. Just about every song covers topics related to controversy, tongue-in-cheek content, music industry politics, misinterpretation of his lyrics, double standards in America, etc. etc.

Songs like Who Knew make it obvious and are in your face about it, while songs like Stan are a bit more subtle, with the message being within the story itself.

TES is similar, but it's much more introspective than MMLP.

At the end of the day, while Relapse may posses some of the qualities of MMLP and TES, the music clearly just isn't up to par with what Eminem was creating in his prime. Had Relapse been written in 2001, we might be saying otherwise.

I believe I may give Relapse it's attention to detail over any other Eminem album, though.

[Kill You]

^ Exactly. Eminem's lyrics on Relapse are outstanding and crazy. The only thing that holds Relapse back is the fact that it's not "prime" Eminem. Because Eminem on Relapse is just a good a rapper as he's ever been. His flows...were fucking godly. Out of this universe.

[Epidemik]

i might be in the minority here but i still enjoy Recovery more than Relapse..

[mwm5952]

- Summer 2010: A lot of fans thought Recovery almost reached the heights of TES, and a great majority preferred Recovery over Relapse. In a poll here on Trshady with the title "Which is better lyrically - Recovery vs. Relapse", 80% voted for Recovery. Some fans were undecided whether Encore or Relapse was Eminem’s worst album.

- Spring 2011: A good amount of fans still consider Recovery to be "miles ahead" (as one fan put it) of Relapse. The majority prefer Recovery over Relapse, 58 % versus 42%.

- Winter 2012: A majority now prefer Relapse over Recovery, 62 % versus 38%.

- Summer 2013: Trshady votes Relapse to be the #11 best hip hop album of all time. There's no question that a great majority now prefer Relapse over Recovery. Criticizing/bashing Recovery is the Trshady-standard.

True dat, just like some of Kubrick's movies were considered shit-average upon release then became gold standards for psycho-horror masterpieces.

Great works are misunderstood upon release...

Recovery is initially catchy and hard-hitting but then its many many many holes and flaws become more and more apparent over time and the goodness of the music becomes overshadowed by the shit production and lines and lack of overall direction...

Where as people's initial issue with Relapse was his voice... but the more they listen, the brilliance of the writing overshadows their annoyance with that, not to mention the cohesiveness of the tracks, the music, his flows and the overall rapping and consistency.

Relapse's appreciation will improve, greatly, wit time, always said this yo.

This was written beautifully