Encore > Recovery (Sustained Opinions. Serious Thread)

[Kill You]

I love you raul-valente but I cannot agree. I bet Em would be super offended if someone told him they prefer Encore over Recovery...Encore's bad tracks are just too bad, I can listen to every single Recovery track except You're Never Over. On Encore just feel like I have to switch the song or even the CD. I cannot listen to Eminem like that, sounding all dead and out of it like he just gave up on life. On Recovery he's at least full of energy, despite how forced some of it may seem he is without a doubt in my mind better on Recovery than on Encore. Shitty beats aside Eminem himself was quit good on Recovery. Over better production Recovery wouldn't get the shit that it gets, that's really my only gripe with it. Whereas Encore is well-produced, but goddamn...Eminem may sound Eminem, but the fact of the matter is that he WASN'T Eminem. He wasn't himself at all on Encore. On Recovery I feel like he did do what he pleased and wrote about whatever he wanted to. He wrote to make himself feel better and the punchlines seemed to really do that for him and forced his writing to get more specific.

Now on MMLP2 I feel like he's ready. Encore...he was just terrible. You can all say Eminem was more himself on Encore but really, he wasn't. At all. He was a hollow shell of the TES Eminem.

[Trimss]

The bad tracks on Recovery only half match the magnitude of how awful the bad tracks on Encore are. I could go into a long ramble, but I've decided to shorten my argument to one 30 second .MP3 file. I feel it gets the point across much better than words can.
http://picosong.com/yrX5/

This gave me cancer. Oh my good that clicking is all I can hear.

This is how I feel. The lows on Recovery can be bad, whether it's trying too hard on a punchline or bad beat or something...but the lowest lows on Encore are literally confusingly bad. The kind of bad where you wonder why a person would even make, and confidently put out something like that. On Recovery it's obvious he was putting work in and sounded focused whether you liked the result or not. On Encore I honestly feel sometimes that he just didn't even give a shit. It's like he honestly stopped caring what he said and what it sounded like.

In certain Recovery songs people feel like some punchlines ruined songs. Like "window pane". I'll put myself out there and say I think LTWYL is a good song. I think Rhianna made perfect sense for the message of the song, his rhymes were nice, and the storytelling was cool. If you remove a few bad lines, it's a really solid song imo

Now take Big Weenie, Ass Like That, and My 1st Singe. There is no line...no verse..no hook...no part of any of those songs you could fix to make them good. They are just straight up terrible songs. The entire concept, rhymes, delivery, hook...everything is bad. There's just no way to save the bad songs on Encore.

So for me, the lows on Encore just aren't even comparable to the lows on Recovery. Not to mention the fact that the highs are much higher than the highs on Encore. Keep in mind, I don't even really "hate" Encore as a whole but it is what it is.

Fucking this. Thank you. Never thought I'd see the day people would start to think Encore > any of Em's albums.

[Trimss]

Bigray why don't you like Going Through Changes? Genuinely confused.

[Kill You]

Yeah I'm not exactly a big GTC fan but trash?...I feel like that's a typo lol.

[Raul]

I love you raul-valente but I cannot agree. I bet Em would be super offended if someone told him they prefer Encore over Recovery...Encore's bad tracks are just too bad, I can listen to every single Recovery track except You're Never Over. On Encore just feel like I have to switch the song or even the CD. I cannot listen to Eminem like that, sounding all dead and out of it like he just gave up on life. On Recovery he's at least full of energy, despite how forced some of it may seem he is without a doubt in my mind better on Recovery than on Encore. Shitty beats aside Eminem himself was quit good on Recovery. Over better production Recovery wouldn't get the shit that it gets, that's really my only gripe with it. Whereas Encore is well-produced, but goddamn...Eminem may sound Eminem, but the fact of the matter is that he WASN'T Eminem. He wasn't himself at all on Encore. On Recovery I feel like he did do what he pleased and wrote about whatever he wanted to. He wrote to make himself feel better and the punchlines seemed to really do that for him and forced his writing to get more specific.

Now on MMLP2 I feel like he's ready. Encore...he was just terrible. You can all say Eminem was more himself on Encore but really, he wasn't. At all. He was a hollow shell of the TES Eminem.

I agree with a quite big percentage of your post, but... well... 1st of all, I'm basically saying that is almost a tie between those albums. I agree with your vision of Em's focus on Recovery, his state of mind. But I think that we're analyzing the album on a larger scale than I expected.

I made a song by song score. And once again I'm saying that the shouting delivery REALLY bothers me. I agree that Encore lyrics on some song are shit. But on Recovery, some songs have shitty lyrics aswell. And I enjoy listening the first and last songs of Encore waaaaay more the most songs of Recovery.

It's all based on lyrics/delivery/production.

I agree that Recovery is a album with better context, is more powerful, where Em put more effort into, and was really Eminem, proud of what he's doing. But I can't listen to a large percentage of the songs of the album based on the aspects I said above. Now y'all making me feel bad for it. And I'll finish by saying that the Middle Segment of Encore is UTTER SHIT. I'm not debating that.

Kill You, you da GOAT poster. I respect your opinion. And everyone's (not including detox2030)

[Eedee]

I can't believe the hate Recovery gets on here.

Recovery is a great album.

[Snakebeast]

I don't like that type of sound/vibe from em....its sounds way to depressing and way to emotional for me....the whole feeling of the song doesn't give me an em feeling.

I've been listening for the few months to mmlp non stop and when I listen to recovery it makes me dislike it even more...everything the beats, punch lines, his voice, screaming etc

Man, you must fucking hate Rock Bottom.

[Amadeo]

I don't buy this BS context argument that "Eminem tried super-hard on Recovery therefore it's worse than Encore where he wasn't trying at all."

This kind of person thinks barely trying and failing abysmally looks better than trying hard and failing to a much smaller degree.

Not to mention that the argument is based on an incorrect premise. Eminem is trying on a few Encore songs, and the songs are atrocious. Nothing on Encore comes close to the calibre of LTWYL, On Fire and GTC, and the existence of those songs alone puts Recovery light-years ahead, quality-wise.

The same person who thinks Encore is better than Recovery also thinks Never Enough, Evil Deeds, Like Toy Soldiers and Mosh are "good" songs, and of the 16 Encore songs, there are only 6 bad songs. 'Nuff said.

[Raul]

I've been listening for the few months to mmlp non stop and when I listen to recovery it makes me dislike it even more...everything the beats, punch lines, his voice, screaming etc

This, tbh.

[Mr Change]

I can't believe the hate Recovery gets on here.

Recovery is a great album.

Agreed. Been like this for months now

If you don't like Recovery for this and that, I feel as though you should at least respect it for what it is, for how much it probably means/meant for Em both mentally and for his commercial success

[Mathers]

Did someone really just call GTC trash? You can dislike the song but trash no.

[Raul]

If you don't like Recovery for this and that, I feel as though you should at least respect it for what it is, for how much it probably means/meant for Em both mentally and for his commercial success

I posted that exact same thought early today. I respect Recovery, I understand why Em likes it. And I know it was important for him, he was Eminem again, putting effort and making fresh songs, and the album HAS some gems. I just can't like most of it, mostly because of production/delivery.

C'mon, man, you're da GOAT poster with that 'Relapse ball-suckers' dialect.

[Mr Change]

If you don't like Recovery for this and that, I feel as though you should at least respect it for what it is, for how much it probably means/meant for Em both mentally and for his commercial success

I posted that exact same thought early today. I respect Recovery, I understand why Em likes it. And I know it was important for him, he was Eminem again, putting effort and making fresh songs, and the album HAS some gems. I just can't like most of it, mostly because of production/delivery.

C'mon, man, you're da GOAT poster with that 'Relapse ball-suckers' dialect. :flower:

Thanks homie It seems that my relapps bawl suckarz dialect has been offending some peeps, so I gotta keep it under wraps for now yo, but it'll be back in due time

[Raul]

Thanks homie It seems that my relapps bawl suckarz dialect has been offending some peeps, so I gotta keep it under wraps for now yo, but it'll be back in due time

Cool.

Don't forget... relapz iz a comcetp awbum.

[Mr Change]

Thanks homie It seems that my relapps bawl suckarz dialect has been offending some peeps, so I gotta keep it under wraps for now yo, but it'll be back in due time

Cool.

Don't forget... relapz iz a comcetp awbum.

it rimes so mcuh
also i luv dat medisin bawl sung cus no stooped punhcleins